What kind of drill bit should I use to turn my dead T-bird into a keychain?

[mbaker74]

I've got a dead T-bird that's been sitting on my desk for 3 months and was just wondering what drill bit will get through it. I had huge troubles trying to drill a hole in an old Celeron. It finally just cracked in half.

Later,
Matt

[desmocat]

You might try a titanium nitrided bit.These are usually gold colored and may be labeled as"Titanium".

Another option is Cobalt bits. these can be expensive,too. The case of the chip is probably some type of ceramic and will be extremly hard or maybe impossible to drill through without breaking as you found out.
As a last resort, you might try a diamond tipped bit,but I don't know how determined you are to make your keychain. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

BTW, I use an old 486 intel chip as a mini whetstone at work, so that will give you an idea how hard those little suckers are.. have fun!

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[OuTpaTienT]

Maybe a carbide tip bit.

Your Celeron probably cracked because of too much force. Don't push so hard, let the drill do the work.

Also, it might not be a bad idea to use a lubricant (any kind of oil) to keep the bit from heating up, expanding, and sticking.

[Richard_Cranium72]

Both drills mentioned before are excellent.

If you can get a 3/32" or 1/8" Dremel tool, use a machine length drill bit in it with very little force.

Machine length bits are the short ones, jobber length are the regular long ones.

Perhaps a tiny stream of water to help cool, or an assistant to squirt cutting oil.

I've used my Craftsman 1/4" Die Grinder with 1/4" bits before with good results.

A big note of caution here, any high speed device can launch bits at supersonic speeds and propel them through you, not to mention soft tissue damage like eyes from flying debris.

Just a drilling operation with a slow tool can put out an eye from flying shavings.

A broken bit can penetrate "non-safety" glasses.

So use a piece of plywood as a "bulletproof" vest and eyeglasses, goggles AND a Face shield.

About to chicken out yet ?? Hope so.

A regular drill that will turn 2,800-3,200 rpm should suffice.

The smaller the bit, the faster it must turn to work right. A battery drill just won't do the job right.

Safety first,,,,,, or Die first,
your choice.

DrVette

[Rat]

You can use a Carbide tipped masonary drill bit; it's designed to go through ceramic and concrete. Water cool it as you go and run it about 500 RPM.

Rat...

[cedar2]

It's amazing the useful information you can pick up at this place.

[Undertow]

I would recommend getting the hole started with a Dremel. Just get a pointed grinding bit and put a little divot where you want your hole to be. This will keep the bit from wandering on you when you are trying to drill the hole.

[loki515]

my,my, is Richard the safty officer of the site?Nice advice just alittle overboard.You must have had a baad experince with drill in the past.

It's going to be alright.Well let us know how it works out.If AMD won't replace my !GIG T-bird then I'm going to have a $182.00 keychain also.

NOTE:Will sell fried AMD 1GIG T-bird keychain for good price.

lol....SIC......

[Richard_Cranium72]

The place where me and Pickel work is notorious for making widows.

A decade or so ago we had a major celebration.

T-Bone steak dinner, baked potato, salads the works.

We had went a WHOLE year without Killing anyone.

We average killing 2 per year or so.

Last year it was three at one time, the place they worked had went 7 years without a medical emergency visit.

A couple of months ago a guy was using a 4-1/2" side grinder.

The shield had been removed to allow easier access to the work.

The previous user had dropped the grinder causing invisible damage to the rock.

The rock was a 6000rpm disc being used on a 7800rpm grinder.

The rock exploded sending a large chunk through his shield into his forehead.

Another widow was created.

In the industrial world where I work, it is very commonplace for people to have..

1. A limp from crushed feet
2. Mangled hands
3. Missing Eyes
4. Steel plates in the head
5. Steel pins in the back
6. Missing fingers
7. Missing family members
8. Missing legs and arms

One guy fell onto the train tracks between cars.

He lost both arms and both legs.

He reportedly has begged friends to shoot him.

Several of my pals are pushing up daises because they or someone else was careless.

My best pal for 12 years got into an electrical explosion.

10,000F of vaporized copper burned 45% of his body with 3rd degree burns.

He WAS an avid outdoorsman, fine family man who NEVER had a bad thing to say about anyone.

Now he is stuck in a house unable to tolerate temperatures above 80f or below 72f from so much missing skin which exposes nerve endings to the atmosphere.

Safety is something we either live by or die without.

I'm giving you a VERY abbreviated version of what has happened here..

I don't type that well and the bandwidth is too much to ask for..

Just don't blow your head off being stupid people, we die too often and too soon anyway..

DrVette

[Rat]

No matter haow much I taunt others about going overboard on certain subjects, I agree with Dr. Vette 100%. You can never be too careful. I work in an enviroment that is inherentrly dangerous as well; I have burned myself pretty bad, sliced a good chunk out of my hand, lost a couple teeth, lost a major amount of hearing and have created a hernia the size of Montana. All mostly because of carelessnes by myself and others.It only take a split second to screw yourself bad.

Rat...

[Bsdboy]

I would use a carbide tipped
glass and tile bit,they drill
through ceramic tile quit nicely
so it should work on a ceramic core.
As above safety first!

[loki515]

Well just kidding about the safty sh@t,I'm a fireman it matters to us also.sounds like you guys have had a lot of bad stuff happened to you there.Well good luck drilling through the chip.,,,SIC....

[mbaker74]

Well after hearing about all these accidents I don't think I'm ever going anywhere near my tool shed ever again. I'll just tape it to the wall...don't think I can injure myself doing that. Of course I could fall off the chair so I'll wear my brothers hockey equipment just in case.

Later,
Matt

[Richard_Cranium72]

Update to the previous Horror story.

In the past 6 weeks we've had 3 fatal accidents.

Yesterday one died after a bucket truck overturned.

Last night a guy around Atlanta got into some hot stuff(electricity)and is in serious condition.

[Rat]

Mbaker, If you've shied away fro drilling a hole in the core, you can still solder a loop of 10 gauge solid wire to the thing. I still think you just should get a carbide tipped 1/8" masonary bit and drill slow using a bit of water for cooling. Wear safety goggles and you will be fine.

Rat...

[El_Brio]

Titanium nitride? Cobalt? I have worked in the construction Industry for a while and have never run across these (if they even exist). Try a carbide tipped blade in a press at a LOW rpm. USe water or oil to cool it.

[El_Brio]

BTW use a piece of plywood for a bulletproof vest?? HAHAHHAA that is BY FAR the lamest thing I have ever heard. Give me a break. There is no way in hell a piece of that thing is gonna break off and pierce you in the chest. HAHAHAHAHAHA. You obviously have never worked with a drill before. I will agree that it is always a good idea to wear saftey glasses, but to wear a piece of plywood as a bullet proof vest is just f'ing stupid. No "supersonic" debris will ever come off of something like this and hurt you. This was perhaps the stupidest response I have ever seen on SysOpt. I don't know if "dick-head" was joking or what, but I would never volunteer to work on any sort of project with him. Sounds like someone here spends too much time behind the desk worrying about "supersonic" ceramic particles piercing their heart!!! HAHAHAHHA. I really hope you don't believe that "DICK" because I would loose alot of respect for you if you did. Har har har. I hear the local union is going to start issuing bullet proof vests to their guys so they can use their drills without fear of being implaled!!! Har HAr HAR. Too much comedy.... must leave.....

[El_Brio]

Big difference between a grinder and a drill too BTW

[El_Brio]

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[OuTpaTienT]

Are you saying that mining is a safe employment field and that accidents and deaths don't happen all too often in that industry? Obviously you have some first hand knowledge that many of us don't possess...please share.
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Is there any reason you posted 4 times to essentially convey a single message?
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I happen to think Doc's telling the truth, however for the sake of argument let's say he is lying. It seems to me that even if he's spouting lies, your reply and attitude and demeanor have proven you to be the much bigger dick(head).

[desmocat]

what construction industry el brio? legos or lincoln logs? Dude, you can get the bits I mentioned at any hardware store.
You seem to be the one that lacks credibility here in my book.
OuT, Right on...

[Richard_Cranium72]

El-Brio, I advise you to cool your tongue.



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[Gilbert]

Unnecessary flaming on this topic.

[El_Brio]

Ok. Sorry guys. Sorry to Mr. Head in particular. I was pretty juiced up last night. Hahahaha. I was laughing when I wrote it, but after I read it today it looked just plain mean. Hahaha. Sorry. Using a piece of plywood as a bullet proof vest when drilling a small (1/16) hole in a ceramic chip though is just silly in my opinion. Sorry to be such a silly jerk.

El_Brio

[Rat]

Guess we need a new campaign here: Don't Drink And Compute

Rat...

[Graham]

DrVette,
You had better let me know what the UK subsiduary is, so I can be extra careful if I visit, they sound like they have an appaling safety record, your Occupational Safety and Health Administration, dont seem to be worth a light.
You and Pickel be careful, dont want to see you names added to the list, I would consider working in another (safer) industry.

G

[prexaspes]

Now maybe I'm just off here, but what the heck do you guys do down there? It sounds like you don't pay attention. I work in industry myself, with overhead cranes, grinders, dangerous chemicals, all that ****. Every 4-5 years, we lose someone, but it's a big factory. Usually they're crushed flat...a few millimeters thick kind of flat.

Where I work we have enough Clorine gas to kill 15,000 people if the wind's blowin' the wrong direction. I don't think I'd trust you guys to keep it safe!

No. your not gonna get killed using a high speed hand drill, unless you're bound and gagged and somebody's really tryin'...

[Richard_Cranium72]

In just ONE company there are over 11,000 employees.

Granted this is the largest one.

I consider crews that are in our employ as to be "working" for us.. If they have an accident, then it reflects on us.

All in all, the manhours vs accident rate is rather good. It's sorta like the NTSB quoting how many airmiles are traveled before a major accident. It doesn't make the family of the deceased feel any better that the safety record was and I stress WAS good for so long.

This state is the largest East of the Mississippi river, with that in mind, consider the many miles of power poles, thousands of substations and dozens of power plants to run .. With all this hazard present, it is indeed a miracle more don't die than they do already.

We lose more people to auto accidents and heart attacks than to on the job accidents.

I did a report a couple of years ago, and I think the numbers are correct that over 30,000 people a year die from exposure to workplace hazards.. EXPOSURE

Asbestos, various chemicals, coal dust, radiation, etc etc. Just dust on the shelf has minute particles so small that a brief inhalation can set up sinusitis, leading to Bronchitis then Pneumonia.

Hazards are everywhere, we CHOOSE to either ignore them or remain ignorant to the severity.

Like the previous comment as to how a dremel tool could not possibly cause serious harm.

Ignorance Maximus,
a 1/4" dremel runs from 20,00-35,000 rpm
a 1/8" can vary from 30,00 to 60,000 rpm
a 3/32" goes upward of 100,000 rpm.

Can you say MASS, Centrifugal Forces or Puncture wounds.

I've been present when a 1/4" die grinder broke a bit several times, usually you never see the bit but it sounds like a gunshot when it hits something.

Once it imbedded into a aluminum cover on a welder.
The skin protecting your heart and lungs is much less resistant to puncture than a piece of 14 gauge aluminum.

All this is a total waste of time for many members,, for they are " Ten foot tall and bulletproof"

A shame, for most young men are afflicted with a disease called Testosterone posioning.
Usually this gets somewhat better allowing a clearer thought process in the 30's, if they live that long..

DrVette

[jad1097]

I should have known. http://www.southernco.com/

[jad1097]

Double Post!

I see I have to get used to this SLOWW 56K connection now! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif It's a good thing I am getting DSL next week. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif




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[Fingers]

I'm not saying that saftey isn't important, but I do consider shielding yourself from a drill or dremel to be a little extreme.

One word on drilling your processor, using a high speed drill isn't the way to go. You'd need a lot of coolant to keep from overheating the drill bit. A carbide tipped masonary bit is probably the best solution...slow and steady. Water will work fine with these bits as both a coolant and a lubricant. Use a drill press and a vice if you possible, the real danger with hand-held drills is getting hair or clothing caught in the spindle, or broken bits resulting in the operator inadvertently putting the remaining shaft through the hand that holds the work.

[cedar2]

I have seen a joker drilling with a small drillbit on the tailgate of a pickup, right about waist level - He pushed too hard, snagged the bit which broke and the end still attached to the spinning drill, skittered across the tailgate and impaled him in the crotch. I understand his wifes words in the emergency room were "it peeled it like a banana!"
Stupid accidents happen to people who do stupid things - not respecting tools or good safety procedures will inevitabley catch up with you. I learned that after I stuck my finger into a spinning router bit because I wasn't thinking about what I was doing. My short finger keeps safety foremost in my mind.

[jad1097]

DrVette is this (http://www.mcdonough-mfg.com) who you work for?

[Richard_Cranium72]

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[JZ]

Southern Company--GENERATING COMFORT.
SERVING UP PARANOIA.
This is turning into a bad Monty Python Skit.

[El_Brio]

You guys are so full of it. I could sit and drill with a dremmel or hand drill for 1000 years and never have a piece fly off and hurt me. Give me a break. If you want to fear something, fear something real - not some imaginary threat. I don't care what kinda rpms you are talking about. I would have a easier time hurting myself by actually drilling the **** thing into my leg than by trying to frag off a "supersonic" piece of ceramic into my thigh. This is simply a ridiculous topic. Never.... I repeat NEVER has someone been injured by doing this type of operation. To suggest that you need to shield yourself with a piece of plywood b4 drilling a hole in your proc. is just flat out stupid. If drilling is so **** dangerous, I challenge you to find ANY example of an injury (of similar type) caused by such practice - drilling a hard substance with a very small bit at relatively low rpms. Eye injuries are one thing but getting fragged by your dremmel is a WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY!!!!!! This is soooooo sad.

You know what this reminds me of?

Ever talk to someone who insists that dropping a penny off the Empire State Building can kill someone? Or leave a "crater" in the pavement? Same misguided fear, same stupidity. Give it a rest. You will NEVER, NO MATER HOW HARD YOU TRY manage to hurt yourself by drilling a small hole in a cpu core with a everyday hand drill. To think otherwise is purely illogical.

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[Richard_Cranium72]

El-Brio, I've been in this type of business almost 30 years.

We carry stupid fools like you to their grave.

You already know everything, so why waste your time here at SYSOPT.

Leave and don't come back since you are Omnipotent..

One day,, maybe,, you'll say to yourself,,

Gee I'm not so smart am I ?

No you're not..

Adios Future Darwin Award Winner

You're on MY list NOW !!

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

[El_Brio]

Ohh come on. If I am indeed so ignorant, please educate me, oh great one. Froget everything said up till this point. Do you mean to tell me that by using a standard hand drill with a 1/16 bit that I would be well advised to use a piece of plywood to shield myself from "supersonic" ceramic debris that will likely result from such a drilling operation? You know I am right. You are just too haughty to admit it.

[El_Brio]

/ me pictures Mr. Head in his basement with a bulletproof vest on, trying to drill a hole in his proc.


hahahahahhaahahhahahahahahahahaha

[Fingers]

El_Brio, calm down. cedar2 and I did not suggest that the projectile created by a broken bit from a hand drill would pose any particular danger of impalement, although I suppose it could. I have damaged the piece I was working on when a drill bit snapped and the shank of the drill bit, driven by the force of me leaning on the hand drill, crashed into my project. Thankfully, my hand (or crotch) wasn't under there.

If you've ever seen a power tool safety video, the example given for using safety glasses is almost always............ A BROKEN TOOL BECOMING A PROJECTILE.


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[jl123]

All the guy wanted to do was drill a hole into his processor to make a keychain not start a war. I think this is going too far. You guys better be careful what you say...I don't want you guys getting into trouble for something small like this.

~Joel

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[flash4master]

he asked how to drill a hole in his processor...if you want to start a war, take it to email or start another thread...

[Rat]

El Brio,
I usually don't get involved in a flame war, but believe me, you are pushing this one too hard. To begin with, when the Dr. suggested using a piece of plywood for protection, he said use it when using HI SPEED devices such as Dremel tools or Die Grinder type tool that are capable of 25,000 plus rpm. Using such a high speed tool can make the workpiece heat up very quicly and in the case of ceramics, the piece can explode. Also with using a high speed device, bit braekage is far more common and a broken bit from a tool spinning at say 50,000 rpms will become an extremely dangerous projectile. The Dr. DID NOT say you needed the plywood when using an ordinary drill at lower speeds; this is where YOU began to have problems. Try reading a little more slowly and comprehend what is being said before you try and make someone look paranoid. We give excellent advice here and we do not need to have people flaming especially when they are wrong.

Rat..,

[cedar2]

Theres a saying in the heli logging business up here in beautiful B.C. "There are old helicopter pilots and there are bold helicopter pilots but there are no old, bold helicopter pilots" The point is, even if the odds of a problem are slim, why take the chance if you can easily avoid it?

[cedar2]

Sticky button

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Cedar - Hit 'Submit' only once. If you get an page error or time out, your post has already gone through. Just back up your browser to the thread, then hit Reload/Refresh and your post will be here/there. -Socalgal

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[Richard_Cranium72]

Rat, you're correct..


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[Rat]

OK Dr., quit taunting him....

Rat...

[araaraara]

I thought that saying was about electicians.

[pickel]

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[cedar2]

Could be, but I have met a few old, bold electricians.

[socalgal]

Seems El_Brio deleted my admonishment for flaming when he edited his post. While I don't appreciate my edits being deleted, at least his flammable remarks have been removed.

Nevertheless, it stands, for El_Brio and anyone else. No flaming. Period.

El_Brio, you've also received email from me on this.

Let's stick to the topic with courtesy. Please.




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[prexaspes]

For Dremel with 1" diameter cutting tool at 100,000 rpm.

C=pi*d

3.14" = 3.14 * 1.00"

3.14"*100,000 = 314,000 inches per minute

314,000 inches per minute ~26,200 Feet per minute

26,200 feet per minute ~432 feet per second
or low power BB gun = Thick flannel shirt and definitely safety glasses.

Big lunkin' grinder = diamond plate steel body armour and firing for safety screwups.

[Fingers]

You could look at those numbers another way... I've got lots of trophies in my game room that all fell victim to an arrow traveling less than 260 feet per second. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif


260 FPS = 177 MPH
432 FPS = 295 MPH

[prexaspes]

Force=Mass*Acceleration

Your Arrow = Big heavy object

Dremel cutting tool shard = Small light object

Would you rather be hit by a baseball thrown at 65 mph or a 1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS6 with all aluminum big block at 65 mph?

[OuTpaTienT]

Personally...I'd rather be driving the Chevelle.

[prexaspes]

Flargenblarg foofernickels cleptorial smackliffered morgensled...

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[OuTpaTienT]

Hey, wait a minute. When was the last time you've seen a car like that doing 65mph? Maybe 165mph.

[big_block_buick]

nice!(luv that smell)

[JZ]

Let's just go for the record replies.
This is # 60.
Does anyone have the record?

[Fingers]

Not even close. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

Voogru's FIVE WORDS PER POST STORY!!!! (http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/Forum17/HTML/001758.html) is currently at 539.

jameswillamor's classic "Hampster" thread, Clocking is good??? (http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/Forum3/HTML/003141.html) stands at 327.

ps. let's not throw any more dirt on poor jameswillamor's coffin http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[mbaker74]

Yikes...now I'm sorry I even asked. I think I'll just throw the thing off of a cliff so that I don't run the risk of poking my eyes out with one of the corners of the thing.

Later,
Matt

[Missing the point]

What if there is someone at the bottom of the cliff? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[FastHotRod]

Okay, maybe I have an alternative to drilling the hole... You want to make a keychain out of it, right?

Well, go to your local stained glass store. (No, I'm NO KIDDING) Buy some of the copper tape that they use to edge the glass. Be sure to buy it wide enuf to go around the chip and cover some of the front and back of the processor. (kinda like the crust of a pizza. The people there can show you...)

Anyway, after you put the copper tape around it, then use some kind of wire to make the loop you will put on the key ring, and tape THAT to the edge of the chip. Use all proper safety procedures and SOLDER the copper tape and wire, all the way around. When it cools off, BAMMO! Keychain.

I bet if you ask the people at the stained glass shop to help, you could even go so far as to making a small stained glass piece with the chip in the middle. Could use some different colors, make it light up on your desk as a sign or something. Just some wacky thoughts.

Fast Hot Rod

[samwichse]

I've got a garden variety dremel tool that I use all the time (with caution of course), but I must agree that it is silly to worry about being killed one. I've had a 1" cutting wheel snap in half at 20,000 RPMs and hit my bare arm and it didn't even leave a welt. As a 1/32nd inch drill bit has considerably less speed at the rim, I'd say the danger of anything but a snap off and jabbing yourself is nil. Not to say that I don't wear a flannel shirt while using it now though.

If you ever do get that hole in it, hang it from your rearview mirror. I've got an old 256k ram card there on mine and it looks pretty cool.

[mongy]

I feel silly adding to this ludicrous post but i do have a question regarding the often used term "hand drill". I think there may be confusion between a hand-held power drill, and a hand power drill!
Obvioulsy u can see there are entirly different chances of injury!!

[mongy]

--oops

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[FrozenLiquidity]

My question, How many posts from SysOpters does it take to figure out what kind of drill bit should be used when making a T-bird keychain?

Comeon guys, how does this topic get 67 posts? Sheesh! You guys should be over at tech support helping people! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

I am seriously confused as to how this topic got 67 posts. I think we have determined what dype of drill bit he needs, right?

Sometimes this place makes me wonder...

FrozenLiquidity