Processor recomendations for varios mother boards

[Savant]

I just got back from computer goodwill, they had gotten in about 8 large tubs of motherboards, and so they were half off the regular price of $10-$15 untested http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif they were fairly recent boards too, so anyway heres what I got:
ASUS P3B-F $7.50 Slot-1
ASUS K7M $7.50 Slot-A
Gigabyte GA-5AA $5.00 SS7
ABIT BP6 $7.50 Dual s370
Thought I'd ask what would be good for them, especialy the slot 1 and 370 boards, I haven't used intels much
Savant

[RADAR1797]

Get some PC133 RAM (dirt cheap now) and a K6-3+ 450 from PCLiquidators for $50 and you have a super fast socket 7 solution for the cheap with your Gigabyte GA-5AA MB. You can run it at 135 MHz X 4.5 giving you a very healthy 607 MHz! About $100, you have one nice machine.

-RADAR

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[Dputiger]

If that GA5-AA is working I'd BUY it off you--email me if interested.

[Savant]

it's quite working, but already promised to my brother, sorry

[Savant]

^
especialy the slot 1 and 370 boards

[Savant]

what's the differance between a PPGA and a FC-PGA chip?

[Savant]

I forgot, the K7M has an all-important (then again, maybe not so important lol) AMR slot wahoo!

[RADAR1797]

For the Asus board, get a Celeron 533a or 566 and crank that bad boy up to 800-920 MHz!

-RADAR

[jad1097]

I'll give ya $10-15 + shipping for the K7M or the BP6. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[Dputiger]

Oh wow. Nicer boards than I thought. Ok, here's what you need to know:

That 440BX chip can be used to run any SLOT version of a Pentium III. (The Pentium 3 uses one abbreviation for the Socket370/Slot 1 difference, and once abbreviation for the 133/100 Mhz FSB difference. I honestly don't remember which is which, but it'd be easy to find on here.

Anyway, with support for a 133 Mhz FSB you could run up to a 1 Ghz chip (there was, I believe, a Slot PIII 1 Ghz.)

Also, that BP6 is very nice.

Your ASUS K7M is either KX133 or AMD 750 Irongate. Hopefully its the KX133 but I wasn't paying attention back then. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif It should also be easy to look up.

Basically, you have three very slightly dated motherboards that are limited in future upgradability but all would offer fabulous performance today. There aren't any real limitations on any of these boards, other than the chips they require (Celeron, P3, and original Athlon.

If you DO get an original Athlon, get something between 600-800 Mhz. Above 800 Mhz the L2 cache starts to slow and the effective scaling of the chip diminishes badly.

[Barney]

I found out some stuff about that BP6.Too bad Coppermines don't work well in it.You have to modify your mainboard and even then only PIII's will work on it.A dual PIII coppermine would be asking for trouble.So if you want to use that you will be stuck with the old Celerons.

Here is an article on modifying it: http://www.hardocp.com/articles/intel_stuff/socket370_conversion/socket370_to_fc-ppga.html

The GigaByte GA-5AA is a real good mainboard.I've had it myself.The multiplier goes up to 5.5 it think and the FSB 140mhz.You can slap a K6-3+ in there and still overclock it nicely.Here are the specs of the newest revision: http://www.giga-byte.com/products/ga5aa.htm
Btw,not much has changed from the original one to V3.2 .I think the only new thing about it is ATA66 support.

Ronald

[Savant]

ok, modifications of that level to the processor sockets are, shall we say, a bit beyond what I'm willing to do at this point in time looks like celly's for that board...
incidentally are there benchmarks of dual celly systems anywhere?
K7M is a AMD 750 chipset, not 760, sorry. looks as though when I have the cash a 700 or so
I still dunno about the P3B-F, gonna have to read up on intels and see what the performance diff between P2, P3 and celly's are, then spend some time looking at prices...
Savant

[Barney]

I thought so...

The K7M is quite useable.The AMD 750 is slower than the KX-133 chipset.But the AMD chipset actually supports SlotA Tbirds (the KX133 chipset does not).Not only Tbirds are faster than the classic Athlons,they're also cheaper.You can get a Tbird 900 for about the same price as the classic 750.

Ronald

[Dputiger]

Well, I'm not familiar with THESE boards, but here's what I can tell you in general.

That Slot 1 board is likely a 440BX chipset-board--very nice. It may even overclock to 133 Mhz FSB, but I'm not sure about that. If it is what I think it is, though, it should support Pentium 3's from 450-800 Mhz, and possibly Pentium II's.

It could, however, be a 440LX board--this would be an older Slot 1 board with no 100 Mhz FSB. In that case its a Pentium 2 board that could take anything from a P2 233 to a P2 333--or possibly higher if it supported a 75 or 83 Mhz bus.

The ABIT BP6 is a very nice board from what I've heard. It's an older Celly motherboard, but I've not heard of it being incompatible with any Celeron made today--someone correct me if this is wrong. This is kind of a moot point, however, since the best Celly's from an OC standpoint are the 566's, and I'm sure it supports those. Of course, it also supports dual Pentium 3, but dual-Celly is probably better bang for your buck. It should take any Socket370 PGA or FC-PGA chip.

Once again, Intel isn't my speciality, so if anyone sees inconsistencies here, speak up!

[Savant]

Here's what I know about them:
ASUS P3B-F
Slot 1 Intel 440BX
Settings for 66, 75, 83, 100, 103, 105, 110, 112, 124, 133, 140, 150, FSB
1 AGP 2x, 5 PCI, 2 ISA
4 168pin RAM slots, max chip size 256MB

Abit BP-6
Dual Socket370 440BX
Uses a soft-menu to select fsb and multi, so I don't know whats available
1 AGP 2x, 5 PCI, 2 ISA
3 168pin RAM slots, max chip size 256MB

ASUS K7M
Slot A AMD 760? chipset
100, 103, 105, 110, FSB
1 AGP 2x, 5 PCI, 1 ISA
3 168pin RAM slots, max chip size 256MB

[Savant]

I didn't know there was such a thing as a slot t-bird 900

[Dputiger]

There is a Slot T-bird 1 Ghz I know for sure, but they are rare. Good luck finding one, but if you can, I'd definitely pick it up.

[Wilan Wong]

AMD released Slot A Thunderbirds for OEM only, however, this leaked to them market, and they sell it now but it has become rare, since most AMD cpus are now SocketA type. I think the speed of the slot A t-birds were the same as the Soc-A t-birds, from 700MHz to 1000MHz.

[radman3d2]

I've never heard of MBs so cheep. How can I get a SS7 like you got for next to nothing?

[AuraEdge]

Nevermind the socket 7, Ive been hunting for a BP6 for cheap for a while now!
Savant, YGM http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif
I know this isnt a selling thread, but its just an offer.

[jad1097]

Azzo (http://www.azzo.com/test2/cpu.html#AMD) has some Slot A T-birds, even a 1ghz. PcProgress (http://www.pcprogress.com/cart/searchlist.asp) , Atacom (http://www.atacom.com/program/atacom_www.cgi?cart_id=9763183_65_11_147_82&USER_ID=www&Pagecode=4|CPUX|FAN2|FAN5|THER) and there are more that have Slot A T-birds if you look for them.

[Barney]

I'm borrowing my brother's Abit KA7 now,and I was going to get a new processor in it.

I have checked out some sites selling SlotA processors and most have a variety of Tbirds,but no or little classic Athlons.Even the store in the Netherlands where I always get my stuff,has several Tbirds,but no classics.

http://www.pricewatch.com/1/3/2735-1.htm

Ronald

[foth]

I went by goodwill today and mbs are still 1/2 off, but there's only about 5 socket 7s left, no fsb over 66 mhz. Can't believe that they sold 8 tubs in 2 days, but you got a great deal. I'll have to check with them a little more often. I've gotten some good deals there but nothing like that. http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/frown.gif

foth

[Dputiger]

I may just be out of the loop here, but are you saying that GOODWILL has computer parts? Like, the regular goodwill?

[Dputiger]

If you can get a Slot T-bird that's what you want. The T-bird will work in your AMD 750 and offers much better performance at 1 Ghz than an original Athlon, due to the increased cache speed.

[foth]

In Austin Tx goodwill has a store called computer works. They take in donated computers, teach tech, recycle unusable parts, sell off usable stuff. It's a great deal all around. They've also got a computer museum, even have a cray. http://www.austingoodwill.org/dg/compwork/cw.htm
They're looking for any info on the cray.

foth

[Savant]

yea the good stuff goes fast, but there was a couple of large tubs of ss7, and a tub of slotted (mostly slot1, found one slotA http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif ) plus the normal bins were completely full, and they were still bringing them out, there wasn't anything good left when I went again thursday.

[Savant]

oh yea I can be proud, the IBM pc junior I found is in the goodwill museum http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

I found it in somebody's garbage, wonder why? it has an awesome 64k of ram http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif