Intel Where are You?

[CMonster]

AMD sure knows how to "Kick-um when they're down" don't they? Hehe!

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[Ultima]

And they damnwell should!!! http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

All this competition is the ideal situation for the end users.
Prices are dropping almost every 2 weeks now, and ya get faster cpu's all the time.

If Amd hadn't brought out the Athlon, Intel would probably be selling Katmai's 600 at the moment, cause they could take it easy then.

The PII was superior to the k6-2 serie, so they set the release dates of certain cpu speeds.

Now, they cab barely keep up with Amd, and Intel's quality sure isn't what it used to be these days.

I'm a happy camper cause of all this.

Pim

[shocksyde]

the "invisible hand" of competetion is what makes this whole ordeal so interesting. hats off to amd for their recent success and i hope to see them stay this strong in the future. i cant see myself buying a pentium chip ANYTIME in the near future because amd is just too good right now! GO AMD! its your birthday! whoop whoop who let the dogs out?!?!?!

shock

[Szech]

You know what this whole ordeal reminds me of? The tortoise and the hare. You guess which company is which animal http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/biggrin.gif.

-- Hint: Intel's got the big ego, the hare lost the race.

[MadMatt]

Intel?

See that bloody pulp over in the corner of the ring, trying to get up? That's the the former champ.... Funny thing too - AMD was already giving them a run for the money, but then they started hitting themselves.....Flawed 1ghz PIII's *Wham* - RDRAM fiasco *Smack* - Motherboard recalls *Smash*....


er... I'm ok now...

[tcul72]

who/what is this intel thing you guys are talking about??????? http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/wink.gif

[Ptrper]

Let me be the bad guy here and interject for a moment... I love the whole situation with AMD and Intel, but don't discount Intel just yet. Yes I know that Intel has been known to use some sh*&^%ty tactics, and tried to give customers a snow job, but it's because of them that made AMD strive for excellence.

Intel may be down, but they are far from being out. Besides, I don't think Andy Grove is such a moron to not do anything while AMD is starting to storm the market.

[Dputiger]

If Intel can ship the Pentium-IV it'll have a good leg up on the future. AMD had better have been making hay while the sun shines in a BIG way--because the K7 core is going to need EVERY trick under its belt to remain competitive with the P-IV until the K8 becomes available.

Remember--even though the P-IV is SLOWER at the same clock speed Intel is planning to roll out the 2 Ghz P-IV within six months from NOW. That means the K7 core needs to move to at least 1.6 Ghz in order to keep up.

[emcron]

I have to agree with one othe post here and I will never buy another intel processor again. Just look a the prices.

AMD Thunderbird 1.2Ghz - $488
AMD Thunderbird 1.0Ghz - $270
AMD Duron 800Mhz - $110

Intel Pentium III 1.0Ghz - $670
Intel Celeron 700Mhz - $130

I can get a AMD 1.2Ghz cpu for almost $200 dollars less. And I can get a AMD 1.0Ghz cpu for $300 dollars less. If you are building a new system what reason can you possibly have to by intel. And also if some one could explain something to me. I've been hearing that the Pentium IV is slower at the same clock speed as the pentium III. If this is a brand new cpu shouldn't it be faster and the same clock speed. And if this is true would it be fair to say that the PIV is just a redesign of the PIII to make it got to higher Mhz?

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[Erap!]

Im not here to burst anybody's bubble, I am a thunderbird user but try to think about this. You're intel, you have a way larger capital value than AMD. You not only make processors, but so many other sources of income as well (chipsets etc.) Your competition (AMD) lowers prices. What would you do? Sensibly, since you have a more stable company, you lower too. But you don't. Why? Maybe (i dont really know k?) it's because there's something we get out of intel cpus that we dont out of amds? I've been to numerous seminars on networking and video editing. Almost all the time they keep saying not to use athlons for these tasks. Maybe for us gamers, the occasional hangsups arent that much of a big deal, but don't cut out intel just yet. They are as strong as they were, and still growing! =D

p.s. I'd still buy AMD processors over Intel's hehehe

[otheos]

People tend to forget something:

Intel has 82% of the market (down from 84%) while AMD only has 16% up from 15% last year. Now that 2% that Intel lost was split between AMD and all the rest! Do you really think Intel worries that much? only 13% of computer buyers build their own (and they might end up going either way -AMD or Intel) systems, all the rest buy branded (IBM, Compaq, Dell, Gateway etc etc). So give me a reason for Intel to worry (other than being annoyed about lagging behind the underdog).

After all they may have the Ford Fiesta syndrom: no matter how bad/ugly/expensive/bad performing people will still buy it!

I have always been buying goods bearing in mind attitudes! I don't like Intel's (like Ford's) attitude, so I don't buy intel (no need to mention rambus! Whoever purchases Rambus memory should be eshamed!). The fact that AMD makes the supperiot processor is a welcomed coincidence. Even when everyone else was buying the P2s I stuck to the K6-2. Cheaper, plus a clear consiousness that people who get my money deserve it.

Just my 2c

[CMonster]

I knew there was a good reason I shouldn't be using my PIII so often.... it was bound to happen sooner or later...

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[seti]

http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gifLOL http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

[Ptrper]

Although Intel may have 82% total market share, AMD is encroaching upon 40% of the home user market.

Be afraid, be very afraid.

[CMonster]

Interestingly enough someone had gone into my personal webspace and removed the images I linked to this post.

I wonder if it was my ISP because of the AMD gif but I can't understand why they would delete my "blue self?"

Guess I'll have to wait and see if some cracker actually got my password or not.

Update - strange goings on at Paclink (my primary ISP) I'm guessing that a server crashed and they had to restore from a backup that was a couple days old... hmmm? They must be using IDE RAID...jk!

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[Ultima]

You know,

the strangest thing I've heard untill now about the P4, is that of it's cache.

It's L1 cache is gonna be 20Kb!!! The only advantage of it, is that it'll be running at 1.2 nanoseconds, which is pretty fast.

Pim

[CMonster]

AMD stock is fairly low right now - maybe I better buy some....

[jokostel]

maybe we should start a amd/intel stock traders forum section....lol http://sysopt.earthweb.com/forum/smile.gif

jokostel

[Erap!]

Hahaha well I can tell you that that estimate of 82% is ****. Even the oldies that bought an intel 486 they count as part of their market! I said earlier dont count them out just yet, but dont overestimate them either! hehehe but still, both of them are the cause why we have such fast computers today so let them fight!

[Dputiger]

The total picture of AMD performance is startling.

AMD is now carried by 9 of the top 10 computer manufacturers. AMD has out-shipped 1 Ghz machines against Intel 16 to 1. For the next three months (because the P-IV won't ship in time for Christmas) every highest-performance home PC sold by Gateway, etc, will be AMD.

AMD has, in fact, nearly stolen the home PC market from Intel. This is by no means a small feat.

However, the next big test for the Athlon will be in the corporate world where workstations/servers often use 2-way and 4-way chip solutions. Here's where things start to get interesting.

The P-IV is designed for the low-end workstation/sever market but is ONLY implementable in a single-chip solution. That's right: No SMP for P-IV.

If Athlon rolls its 760 motherboard on time a dual-Athlon server will cost LESS then a P-IV system and will perform far faster than any existing dual system available today, due to the innovation of DDR RAM and LDT (Lightning Data Transfer) technology.

To me, here's the bottom line:

In 1997, investors predicted the K6 would only survive until Intel rolled the Celeron. Intel would then crush AMD and emerge supreme. The Celeron rolled and was a tremendous success--but AMD wasn't crushed.

In 1999 AMD rolled the Athlon. Investors predicted that Intel's CuMine P3 would crush it and Intel would never let AMD have a chip advantage. Once again, this did not occur.

Now, in 2000, investors are predicting that Intel's hold on the market is too great and AMD has no chance in the corporate world. Looking back at history, I predict the investors are wrong. Businesses will ALWAYS look for better technology at a cheaper price. It may take a while for them to switch, but switch they will.

If you need a lesson in this, just look at IBM. Or Apple. Or 3Dfx. or ATI. Or Matrox. Or Chrysler in the 1970s. All companies that found themselves going from indisputed leaders to barely afloat in a few short years, thanks to market paradigm shifts.

[AdamP]

I read an editorial in PC World that stated AMD needs Intel. The only way AMD can stay afloat is to follow Intel's innovations and try to produce a superior product to gain competitive advantage. AMD doesn't know how to design their own chips. They always copy Intel's designs and try to improve on them.
Something to think about...........

[Dputiger]

Yeah, I read that editorial too. Bullsh*t today, though somewhat true a few years back.

But check the Athlon core out. It's a far cry above the P6 core. In fact, it's based on a radically different technological innovation and runs a completely different bus standard than the 133 Mhz bus of the P-III.

The upcoming K8 will be a COMPLETE departure from any Intel-engineered solution.

So, in conclusion, AMD and Intel once ran very close together but are splitting off more and more every year. Right now, the best designed x86 processor on the market is the Athlon--not the P-III.

For lots more information and technical explanations head over to Aceshardware.com and check out their articles on Athlon architecture.