end of intel overclocking

[wtf]

well, its the end. if intel switches to 133mhz fsb on all its processors, its the end. since slot 1 mobos are only at 133mhz fsb, and that's intel's multiplier is locked, there will be no way to overclock unless motherboard companies switch higher than a 133mhz fsb. its the end. amd will lead the future unless motherboard companies change their fsb.

[AuraEdge]

Mobos arent only at 133...
We got em up to 200FSB now.

[wtf]

no, im talking about slot1 mobos, not slot a. if im wrong, correct me

[Wiz]

The BE6.2 from abit is slot 1 and goes from 83 to 200 in increments of 1. I love that board!

[wtf]

cool, has anyone overclocked at 200mhz fsb yet?

and is the be6 the only mobo with a 200 mhz fsb?

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[Sterling_Aug]

Isn't it amazing how easily some people are mis-informed by the AMD hype? Intel spends more on research in a year than all of the other companies MAKE in sales combined. Now tell me who has the best chance to move into the future with new processor technology?

[Wormo]

Yea, but they have the deepest pockets in the industry, and they will for some time!

[Missing the point]

I got an Asus P3B-F mobo, Slot 1, and it goes up to 150 MHz bus speed.

[Barney]

AGAIN!!!Every week there is someone who says that OC is over.That's ALWAYS b*llsh*t!If Intel or any other company would stop OC,that company would stop excisting!People buy Intels for OC if they can't do that,they won't buy!

There is always a way to OC.Even if proffessional 'hackers' have to 'break' it.They can onlock the locks.

Ronald the Notorious (RONALDvd#22)

[mushi]

Well, there is some truth to it (just for the moment.) All the things with a 133 FSB, like pci and agp dividers need to be modified for speeds past 133 Mhz. The BE 6.2 won't probably use that potential 200 Mhz. But none of this means the end of overclocking. NO WAY....

[oblivion]

its the end. amd will lead the future unless motherboard companies change their fsb.

Are you smoking crack?
Overclocked computers make up about 1%(if even that) of computers in use,and even if intel was not OCable in the future,thay would sell many many chips for years to come.Hell the new willamete may just lay a good smack down to the athlon.Have you read the specs on it?

[AuraEdge]

The williamette doesnt seem likemuch of a CPU to me, since it does less per clock cycle, but it makes up for this in brute MHz, its trace cache, and its SSE2 (it makes existing MMX and SSE faster). More than anything, I think the new Tahoma board archetecture will do much more for the next gen than the CPU itself..Quad pumped 100Mhz...Thats like QDR 100Mhz= 400Mhz FSB!
Hey, if you can get that FSB to 133Mhz, itll be a nice 500Mhz, the same speed as many CPU's today. Highest overclocked bus on air cooling is about 155Mhz on Coppermine CPU's on Via133/33A boards, or BX boards with PCI vid cards.

[alpha]

Aopen AX63pro - VIA Apollo 133 chipset - 155mhz FSB with a 1/4 PCI divider and a 1/2 AGP. Slot 1.

[CMonster]

Sterling,

"Isn't it amazing how easily some people are mis-informed by the AMD hype? Intel spends more on research in a year than all of the other companies MAKE in sales combined."

I quite agree - and that makes it even more amazing that AMD can do so much with so little.

[daveleau]

I think they will need to change the dividers for the PCI and AGP busses to 1/5 and 1/2 respectively soon. If you OC a 133MHz CPU to 160MHz, you will be running the PCI Bus at 40MHz which will make alot of stuff unhappy. And how will hdds cope to? (I have a Maxtor in one system) I hope these changes are onthe horizon. Or is there another option I haven't heard about for this to be corrected?
Dave

BTW I have BF6's in both of my systems and they go up to 200MHz fsb. Whether or not they can handle that remains to be seen.

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[oblivion]

Auraedge,I am inclined to agree actually,the
new tahoma board will give it massive power..
but it was my understanding that the willamete will do more per clock cycle(1 store and 1 add/multiply each clock cycle)with only one FPU present


I quite agree - and that makes it even more amazing that AMD can do so much with so little.
hmm look how long they have lingered without doing anything really innovative except for Maybe the k6-3.......its about time they did something really good.

Daveleau I bet we will start seeing more and more AGP cards that can handle higher AGP speeds............I have personally had my g400 max up to 105 FSB rock solid in 3dmark and q3 for hours.

[Björn]

Little remark on this:

In computer science there is never an "end"!

[Rmcky]

Along these lines, with all of the genius hackers and crackers out there, why hasn't someone figured out how to adjust the agp and pci clock dividers on a bx board? It seems that if someone is sharp enough to create soft fsb, that this would be the next logical step. Please let me know as soon as they do! I'd actually buy that piece of software.
Rick

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[oblivion]

rmcky.....wouldnt we all buy that piece of software.....LMAO......I would.........as far as the softFSB is concerned,it merely accesses the clock generator on the MB and directly changes the FSB through the windows enviroment....the FSB speed is already there........I am sure it is possible to make similar software to access the AGP and PCI clock generator...but it can not to my knowledge make it run at a speed it was not designed for.............the 2/3 AGP divider of the BX chipset is a limitation of the chipset,and the chipset would have to be redesigned to change it.

[Konan555]

Yeh, there's always a story. I heard once from some site that intel where going to start locking the fsb on there chips - havn't seen anything of it.

[Keermalec]

Overclockable chips are chips that have been artificially slowed down by the manufacturer in order to tap a lower-cost market segment right? For example, Intel makes more money selling 400 PIII 550s and 600 Celeron 366s than trying to sell 1000 PIII 550s. There simply is not enough demand for 1000 PIIIs at a high price.

As long as these marketing principles last (and if it makes more money, there is no reason to see them end...) there will be overclockable chips.

We are the rebels who fight the world domination aims of the Evil Empire(s). By overclocking their chips you stop them making easy profits at the expense of consumers. Fight the power! (lol)

Hmmm, just a thought: if one could get marketing data that shows demand for Intel chips, one could probably predict the point at which Celeron 566s will start being produced with PIII 850 cores...

...

[#Rotor]

MY P3B-F rocks too, and it's more than happy with the -40ºC i have on the CPU...

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[thekingofpain]

-40C?

[falcompsx]

higher dividers for pci and agp is NOT the answer to our problems...

let's see cpu's are over 1000mhz, memory is approaching 400+mhz but pci is still a measly 33mhz for the whole freakin bus? wtf is wrong with this picture? dividers aren't the answer, higher speed is.

[RobRich]

I want hihger FSB's, higer memory clocks, and a new device interface besides PCI, ISA, and AGP. I would love to see what a system could achive with a 1ghz cpu, a 1ghz FSB, a 1ghz mem clock, and 1ghz device access.

Someone above mentioned locking the FSB, but the only successful way I know to do this with current tech is to include a locked clock generater directly on the cpu's pcb. While it could work, I doubt it will happen anytime in the near future.

[wtf]

the kingofpain, what #rotor means by -40c is that he has FREON cooling(3 ways to be exact)