Celeron II Chaos!

[Haervii]

This whole thing on Celery 2's is crazy. I have heard from some people on the forum that the 633Mhz Celery 2's can go to 1000 mhz and everyone agrees. But then others say that while it can go that far, its only equal to a Pentium III 700. TheN Anandtech says that the 600mhz sucks and cant overclock worth **** but the 566 C2 can quite easily go to 850Mhz and is equal to a Pentium III 850! And if that werent enough, someone (Oblivion, I think) said that the Celery ONE 533 could overclock faster than the whole lot! Who is right?!?!? Does anyone know anything about any of this, or better yet, HAVE one of these infernal machines?

[Szech]

Here's what I think is going on: One reviewer got a pre-release Celey 2 633 (I forgot who it was, but I read the review), and was able to up the FSB to get it up to 1000 mhz. Maybe they all will, maybe they won't. But keep in mind they are still pre-release, which may explain the poor performance. It might also be due to disabled L2 cache, or out of sync memory timing. The multiplier for the 600 might be bad for overclocking, though the chip might be good, as opposed to the 566 whose multiplier might be good for overclocking. As for the 533, I think one of the models is based on the coppermine core, just as there are 500 Mhz CPUs from Intel that are on both cores. Just my take on the matter.

[ajf]

I agree. I think I'd wait a few months for a stepping or two to occur as well as a bunch of people getting them to see what really happens with actual real production models. Just like marketing, you can't go with what a few say as reality, but if a couple hundred do....

[Virtual Infinity]

As regards to overclocking I feel the Celeron II will prove to be a pretty good overclocker and possibly an excellent overclocker. The reasons fo this are as follows:
1. .18 micron technology allows for faster bus speeds (Hence the Giga PIII) whilst producing less heat and requiring less voltage.
2. Half L2 Cache although reducing performance means there is less cache to worry about when ocing - this is usually the limiting factor.
3. The Celeron II requires a lower voltage than normal PIII (eg 1.50V CII : 1.65 PII 600) which means lower heat production and greater flexibility with voltage manipulation.
4. Initial Overclocking attempts have been pretty good.

Performance statistics may so far be misleading since not many tests have been carried out on the oclked CII @100 compared to a similar PIII @ same bus speed. Bare in mind that the Celeron is cheaper and the only reson I would buy one would be to o/c it. If initial reports are as good as I've been reading late May /June may be the time to buy when a greater set of reviews have been completed, Intel release i815 chipset and the Celeron prices should fall. I think everyone should give the celeron a break and wait a month or so to see how the chip matures.

[PsyOps]

Well..... Like always people can say what they must but I wont believe or make a decision until I have my own CII and o/c it.

Thats the way its always been. Reviews dont make you buy products.....drives do.

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[seti]

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/celeron566oc/default.asp

They're saying 566's should go to 850. But they're waaaaay slower per mHz than p3's

[Dave2]

In this case you get what you pay for.

[daveleau]

I just got my Cel2 (or Celermine or whatever) today and will let you know soon about the benchmarks, I have to wait for my better slot converter b/c theone on my Cel 366 is a generic. IWill III is on the way.
Dave