New Celerons released

[mgordon99]

Intel has rolled out the new speeds of 566 and 600 Mhz. Are all the overclockers out there salivating?
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20000329/tc/intel_chips_1.html

[Clive]

I believe they said the 500 and 600 cele will run on a 66mhs bus. I just bought my p3v4x and have not been able to find a chip in stock anywhere. I think a cele would work.

[alpha]

WoHoO

[mrdisco]

Don't get your hopes up, folks. With the stratospheric clock multipliers these chips have, I don't foresee a whole lot of overclocking success.

Think about it. A Celeron II 566 with the FSB adjusted to 100 would conjure up a 850MHz overclock. Intel is having enough trouble releasing their high end chips at that speed. I seriously doubt the Celerons will make it that high.

They might be able to reach intermediate bus speeds, but at a cost to PCI and AGP stability. If you're looking for real overclocking performance, I'd say the lower clock FC-PGA coppermines are still your best bet. Just make sure you have a motherboard that can handle the extra bus speed.

Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong. If that's the case, then I'll be first in line to get one.

[Dave2]

That article says that the Celeron 600 OEM will be released at a price of $181. Now the Athlon 600 OEMs are $164. Not only is the Athlon 600 much faster than this Celeron 600 but also a little cheaper. I'm not an AMD fan but Intel is going down.

[alpha]

You do know that 850 is probably easy - the new chips are .18 micron

[oblivion]

I personally would rather have a celeron/coppermine 566@850 then an athlon at whatever....................but that is just me......now if AMD had an integrated L2 cache that might be a different story.

Also to get an athlon 600 and OC it to 900 it would require a hefty investment of a new PS for most people,maybe some better ram......some kind of OC device....and a bunch of other BS...........you do not even need to get an agp card that can handle high agp speeds,or killer ram with the new celeron(because of the lower FSB)..........that is rocking in my book......good athlon MBs are expensive.........hell all I have to do is buy the chip,and stick it in my MB....thats it,no other BS involved.......

Oh yea,mrdisco..........I would bet alot of money that the new celeron will do 850,and 900 respectivly.

[This message has been edited by oblivion (edited 03-29-2000).]

[Szech]

It's not quite time for a new computer for me yet, but I'm already set on a Celey 566 or 600. I am determined to get mine to a 100 Mhz FSB no matter what it takes, (alpha, peltier, peltiers, whatever). Hopefully, they will turn out to be good overclockers, and I won't have to take extreme measures, but only time will tell.

[oblivion]

www.anandtech.com (http://www.anandtech.com) just did a review of the celeron 600.......they did not seem to have any problems getting it to 900Mhz.........and I do not suspect anyone else will.

[grandslammer]

Well, the 600 o/c'd to 75 mhz fsb would give you 675... @ 95 would be 855... hmmmmmm...

Sounds like that's what I'll be doing sometime this summer. I want my 855mhz celeron, and I want it now!

Mikey

[grandslammer]

Also, I thought they were coming out with a 100mhz fsb celeron, what's up with that?

Also, anyone heard about the K6/2+? Heard a lot, figured they'd be out by now, then BANG!

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

Mikey

[Brydon]

oblivion...I am going to get one but I read the review and it said that they couldn't get it to 900 so am I building my hopes up for nothing. Can you point me to any more links and is there going to be a 100fsb cause that would be even better http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[mrdisco]

Uhh... Did you read the Anandtech review? They said they did have problems getting it to overclock to a 100MHz FSB for precisely the reasons I mentioned.

Sorry for being pessimistic, folks, but I'll believe it when I see it...

[Brydon]

Yeh the review kinda burst my bubble http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif...I hope they got a duff chip http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[oblivion]

I believe that the 566 will hit 850 without many problems.........I am also quite sure that the yields will of course improve really quick,and 850 with a 566 will be the norm............just wait,and we will see.

But please do tell me what in the hell this means????
Going from a 66MHz FSB and 66MHz memory bus up to 100/100MHz results in a 38% improvement in performance under Quake III with 17% of that due to the increase in the memory bus and the remaining 21% due to the increase in FSB frequency.

I of course took it to mean that they had increased the FSB to 100Mhz,and the memory clock as well............how do you interpet it?

[AuraEdge]

I say it was an enginnering sample...and they made it 6x100 from 9x66

cuz youd get more improvment then they showed for some of the tests, if they juiced it with 300 more Mhz.
I shard disco's view...

The 100Mhz Celerons are going to be made for notebook if im not mistaken..which I usually am

[Brydon]

This is the bit I read that made me think it was not a good overclockerWhile we had expected the new Celeron to be an overclocking madman, it will take just a little bit longer for that dream to come true. We were only able to get our hands on a 600MHz sample which, because of its 9.0x clock multiplier would only be able to hit 900MHz when used with a 100MHz FSB setting. Although an overclock like this may be possible as yields improve, our sample wasn't able to do it. A Celeron at 900/100MHz would be just about as fast as a Pentium III at 900MHz in most situations, in spite of the smaller L2 cache

Like I said I hope it is a duff chip http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[oblivion]

They said it was locked though......

[oblivion]

There also is the celeron 566......which has a multiplier of 8.5..........I would bet that that chip can do 850.....especially in a few weeks when they are being more mass produced..................I have heard of a good bit of coppermines hitting 850ish...but not so many of them hitting 900.......so I am think that the 566 will be the way to go....and even when the yeilds do get better,the 566 will still be the way to go because you can just up FSB beyond 100....at any rate I am quite sure we will start to see 566s hitting 850 really soon.........

Remember when the ppga 366 first came out.....not all of them were hitting 550,then there came a time when all of them would......then a little later the time came when most all of them would do 578......

[user0005]

Question: Would my mother support the multipler at 8.5? And to reach 850mhz with the 566, would there be a BIG thermal problem? Because I was thinking about just getting the P3 550e and getting it to 700 with water cooling, so if the Celery is better, should I just build the water cooler for it?

[Brydon]

I hope so oblivion and I don't doubt it is very possible http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I am choking to get my hands on one to see what it would do. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[krusty the klown]

User,

you shouldn't need to water cool a 550E to hit 733 - I've got one running at 733 (slot1 flavour) with stock cooling and the temp never goes above 45C, but I am in the UK tho, so ambient temps are not that high!!!

May be different if the ambient temp is 30+C

Krusty.

[Idzwan]

Hey, I'm sure this new celery will be very overclockable with it 0.18 micron plus intergrated 128kb L2 cache...by the way do you think that this processor will work on BH6 rev 1. ?

[user0005]

Then what about the new celery? Need water cooling to hit 800mhz and above?

[krusty the klown]

User,

Dunno!

The coppermine celery has one advantage over the P3 - the celery runs at 1.5V instead of 1.65 for the P3, so there should be less heat generated.

I haven't tried my 550E at anything over 733 yet, cos at the moment I'm running it up in my work computer which only has PC66 mem (running at 100MHz with 133MHz FSB - VIA chipset). I don't want to take the PC66 mem over 100MHz (not in my work machine!!). But I'm getting a new mobo for my home PC, then I can have some fun with this chip and see what she'll do! I'll keep you posted on the progress - should get a new mobo 2morrow/monday. I'm not really that fussed about going to extreme cooling measures, but if the 550E can hit ~800MHz with stock cooling and 1.65V, it is an encouraging prospect for the new celerys. The only annoying thing about the celerys is that high multiplier....

Krusty

EDIT:

and another thing.....

One for Oblivion and AuraEdge - when AnandTech were going on about 66 vs. 100MHz with the new celerys, were they not just running the memory at 100MHz and the FSB at 66, which you can do on a VIA-based board?? I only skip-read through the article, so I might well be wrong, but it would explain the strange results, what do you reckon???

[This message has been edited by krusty the klown (edited 03-30-2000).]

[smurfin]

I think the confusion with the anandtech review, the 100mhz memory bus...If I am not mistaken refers not to the FSB but the ability of some boards to adjust the memory bus independant of the rest of the system. If I am wrong please correct me, someone may have already stated this I am pressed for time and only got to reading the first 6 or 7 posts. Thanks.

[krusty the klown]

On (newer?) VIA-based boards, you can clock the mem at FSB+PCI, FSB or FSB-PCI bus speed - can be a useful utility.

[Keermalec]

Extract from Anantech's review:

"With AMD's Spitfire due out shortly the "Basic PC" market segment is about to get interesting, with the new Celerons being crippled by the 66MHz FSB/memory bus to the point where the older Pentium IIIs are faster than them, an AMD Spitfire with 128KB of L2 cache could easily take the performance crown from Intel in the low-end market."

If a Pentium III 550E is faster than a Celeron 600, then an overclocked 550E@732 or 825 may be tough competition for the celeron 566@850.

I for one was dismayed to see the Pentium III beat the celeron so badly at same clock speed. Remmember up to now we were used to celerons and pentiums being more or less equal in performance.

[oblivion]

Keermalec,the review also saaid that when a celeron was at 100fsb there would be vvirtually no difference in performance between the two.

Smurfin,he did say with the memory at 100Mhz.......then he also said.............
"Going from a 66MHz FSB and 66MHz memory bus up to 100/100MHz results in a 38% improvement in performance under Quake III with 17% of that due to the increase in the memory bus and the remaining 21% due to the increase in FSB frequency."

[yipikayee]

66Mhz FSB and 1.5V..... hmmm... If 600 hits 900 with regular cooling, it is not bad at all...

[AuraEdge]

I still think it was an enginnering sample and that when he sid these chips are locked, he was refering to the ones the consumer will be buying off the market.

The point of those numerous pages was to compare the FSB and to keep all other factors constant, including memory speed.

[oblivion]

But he said the sample they had was locked........