Sticking a Celeron where a PII goes.

[elverado]

I am building a new PC and would like some help.

I have an Intel "Dakota" DK440LX Dual P-II motherboard (built in UW SCSI). Well, because I have gone with a SCSI Hard Drive, SCSI DVD, SCSI CD-RW, ect. I kinda need to get a cheap processor until my summer job kicks in, just to play with it for a while. Intel's site says that the board, "Doesn't oficially accept Celeron processors." Well, is this just hype? Can I have a system not boot because of incompatability?

Also, what's the real dif between the P-II and the Celeron. I know something about the Cache. Is that hugely important? I am going to be running 128MB SDRAM and want to use the PC for web design (Macromedia stuff, lots of Photoshop - hence the dual board, SMP.)

I have heard about the dual celeron hack. I may try it if the one celeron works.

Oh yeah, I'm running NT.

Thanks for any help in advance -

-Neil

[spdsk8r]

You should be able to use a Celeron Processor in that board, but you might need a BIOS update though - Don't get mad at me if it doesn't work, I'm not 100% sure it'll work

There are 2 main differences in the processor:

1)the Celeron CPU's only have 128k of cache compared to the 512k on a P2, but this isn't that big of a deal because the cache runs at the full CPU speed:

Celeron 400a = 128k 400Mhz. cache
P2 400 = 512k 200Mhz. cache

So the response time of the cache on the Celeron is twice as fast making it just as fast as it's big brother...

2) The Celeron has the Mendocino core - or .25 micron process making it use less voltage so it creates less heat allowing you to overclock the **** out of it

We saw this in the older C300a's which were able to be OCed to 450 sometimes 504 Mhz!

The new 366's seem to be the CPU of choice which can sometimes make it all the way up to 550Mhz.

Hope this helps
- spdsk8r

[Isos]

Your Intel motherboard doesn't officially accept Celeron cpu because INTEL disabled Celeron's ability for dual processor system. You will need to modify 2 celeron cpu boards to use them in dual celeron operation. However, being an Intel motherboard, I don't think that there's an official bios update that will identify your Celeron cpu correctly.

[shocker]

A friend of mine is running a Celeron 300A at 450Mhz on an Intel board that supposedly doesn't support Celerons...boots right up.

He had to tape pin b21 to get to 100Mhz fsb.

Not sure on the dual board though.

[sandervdgraaf]

There was a article in a dutch computer magazine I read, it described EXACTLY how to make a dual Celeron system... If you can read dutch you could check out their homepage:
www.computertotaal.nl on the bottom-right...

CU!

[MrLuigi]

You should also be able to buy a socket 370 celeron chip & slocket. I have heard that there is a slocket that allows celeron support for intel mobo's and get this it allows voltage regulation, dual celeron, and soft FSB. Good luck

[cobain1crt]

There are only 2 reasons the board would not support a celeron:

1. intel figures that if you can aford all of the other stuff, then you will not mind paying some more money to them.

2. the L2 cache on the celeron goes twice as fast as that of the p-2

[fixitman]

ive read that a socket 370 celeron/adapter board is the way to go.
try sharkyextreme, anandtech, or bxboards.

(celeron 300a @ 464 is pretty nice)

[Ed_S]

Check computernerd.com, they build a dual celeron system and were offering a slocket already modified for this purpose. Haven't personnally dealt with them, but they're the only one's I've seen that specialize in this. Good luck.

[This message has been edited by Ed_S (edited 04-09-99).]