can a 486 dx2 66 support win98SE??

[zskillz]

anyone know??
thanks
Z

[RONALDvd#22]

I don't know if it works,but I do know an upgrade would help!

[jeana]

Win98 requires a 66MHz or faster processor. I don't think that 98SE has any difference in requirements.

I would guess yes, you're okay with the 486DX2, but I'm not sure because I forget whether the bus speed has to be 66 and whether your bus would be 33 or 66.

[RobRich]

While it will be slow, it should work without any prob. I hope you have at least 16meg of memory in that system. While it will boot with 8meg (many 486's had 8 meg), the OS takes up 7meg at idle with most of the OS loaded to the swapfile. This leaves only 1 meg for applications.

[zskillz]

well, thanks for the responses...
I check the microsoft website, but I didn't find it there
anyway...
I'm just messing around with an old system that we had lying around, and I'm having a helluva time getting win98 to load..
when I put int the startup disk, it freezes when I try and start the system with CD support with the 98 bootdisk
any ideas???
thanks

[RONALDvd#22]

How much memory has it?I think it requires 8mb.So,I guess you need memory expanding!

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[zskillz]

hahah...
now this is gonna sound really screwed up.. but here goes

I actually, took the HDD out of the old system and put it in another, and then tried to install it from there (PII233.. plenty enough).. it is on this system that it freezes... It's just to **** slow on the 486 for the install, and I know that this is a really backasswards way of doing it, but I figure that it shouldn't really make much of a diff once I put it back in the old 486 and reconfigure all of the system properties

another problem that has issued is that the old HDD is only 425 MB that's right MegaBytes hahaha
anyway, when I have the jumper set on master, it's as slow as imaginable, when I put the jumper on the third option.. (I think it's like CS or something), it's like a normal drive.. I don't know what the hell the deal is with this third option (slave is the 2nd option) and would love any insight

wow this just keeps getting bigger and bigger
thanks
Z

[commodsquad]

CS stands for cable select..and I have had to use the option on a drive before,,, though, I dont know if it hurts it or not.you might want to check out the manufacturer's website for any info on the drive for jumper settings because some older drives didnt even need the jumper on it to be the master unless you were running a slave off of it....and I had win98SE on a 325 MB hard drive and on a 486 dx 33mhz (used some setup switches and did the install in dos so that I could bypass the system requirements) but I had to use another hard drive as a slave with the cab files on it for the install since extracting from them while they are on the cd rom takes too long LOL...and yes it is extremely slow when up and running so I reformatted the drive and used 98lite the second time when I installed to get rid of IE and most of the bells and whistles and it made a world of difference as far as performance goes...
But to make a long story short, I noticed that you said you put the drive on a PII233... are you using the start up disk that you made for the faster system?? because that could be your freezing up problem since you would probably want a more generic win98 start up disk (with generic cd support) that doesnt have specific system files that are for another system on it...Im also assuming that you have formatted and set the active partition on the drive also....IMO I think you would probably be better off with the drive in the 486 for the install..it may be slow going but you are more likely not to run into any probs... hope that helps........

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[jad1097]

Well I had Win98 running on my 486DX66 untill I built this computer. Boy was it slow. Had a 640 MB hdd compressed! I put win98 on it so I could compress the drive useing Drvspace3! Put one of those pony 133 chips in it after that and it ran ok.
I think you need at least 24megs of ram for win98, if I remember corectly.

[commodsquad]

I had no compression and only 16 megs of ram...never liked using any type of compression for harddrive use,,I tried it once and promptly got rid of it and never looked back LOL..it always seemed to create more probs than solved IMO...but you are right about win98 liking to have more ram..although, if 98lite is used to create the shell 16mb would be sufficient even though more ram always seems to help greatly when it is 16mb or(god forbid) below in an older system...

[zskillz]

commodsquad...
that sounds pretty close to the setup that I want to do
man it's really pissing me of though...
I'll spend like 3 hours of time letting it get to the "installing" part and then it froze on 6%... I'm not kidding about the three hours either
How exactly did you do this..
The only thing that I want to do this for is to mess around with using it as the ICS gateway... it has a ISA NIC in it now, and the oldest vid card you can imagine...
but I can't keep spending 3 hour sessions for it to just freeze up again..
suggestions are really appreciated
thanks
Z

[welsh wizard]

Unless you can get 32meg of ram in that 486 don't waste your time, just put in 95SR2 in 98 will never keep up with 95 on a 486.
and even if you do get 98 in each time you give it a command you may as well go off and make coffee will it carry's it out.
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
WW

[commodsquad]

zskills,
check out this site and read about the prog and its features..I happen to think it works great for running win98 on a 486 machine... and if you need any help with the install and setup switches info e mail me...
http://www.98lite.net/

[commodsquad]

It is more like what is now being called "donationware" which basically means that the author of the prog only asks that if you like it and want to register it, you can but you dont have to unless you are interested in the extras offered to registered members or you want to donate to the cause..so, in a sense it is basically freeware with an author's request for donations and even if you decide to never pay anything it wont time out and you can continue using it as long as you want without worry of it being a nonvalid program. the 2.0 version (the first link on the download page) is fully functional (so is the second link to the new beta version but since it is beta it is still being tested) and what you will need is a standard win98 start up disk that has cd support by default; ...you can get a link to one here http://www.bootdisk.com or some good directions on how to make one unless you already have one.... I forgot to mention before that 98lite is used in conjunction with with win98 for the install sorry about that...
what you will first need to do is format and set the active partition on the drive if you havent already done so and then make a directory on the drive(called 98lite or 98INSTALL or something like that), then uncompress the downloaded 98lite prog into that folder, and either copy (fastest method) all of the contents from the win98 folder on the cd into that folder/directory on the harddrive or you can choose the slower route of just letting the .CABs be decompressed by the install ...by the way you can do this copy stuff on the 233 machine in windows with the 425MB harddrive as the slave instead of the dos method of copying if dos isnt your kinda thing...There is a README that you should read thru when you uncompress the 98lite install prog....
after you have gotten your install directory on the 425MB harddrive ready and have your start up disk ready also, place the harddrive back into the 486 as the master and put the start up disk into the floppydrive and boot from it..and follow the directions in the README file..I will look for the setup switches (there are more than what is listed in the README that will work for other things like not checking for min diskspace and other things) if you want them and will explain how to use them also...


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[jad1097]

Don't know if Microsoft® Windows® 98 Second Edition will run on your computer?
Here are the minimum requirements your computer hardware must meet in order to run Windows 98 Second Edition:

Computer/processor: 486DX/66 MHz or higher processor.

Memory: 24 megabytes (MB) of memory; more memory improves performance.

Hard disk:
-When using FAT16 File system, typical installation requires 260 MB of available hard-disk space, but may range between 210 MB and 400 MB, depending upon system configuration and options selected
-When using FAT32 File system, typical installation requires 210 MB of available hard-disk space, but may range between 190 MB and 305 MB, depending upon system configuraiton and options selectedTypical installation requires approximately 205 MB of free hard-disk space, but may range between 140 MB to 315 MB, depending on your system configuration and the options you choose to install. http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/guide/Win98/SysReq/default.asp

Also I did not care for 98lite.It did get rid of Ie5.5 for me. But it still is on my system after trying to uninstall it,98lite that is! DO NOT USE THIS PROGRAM UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT IT! Unless there is a way to remove it from your system. I have not found a way to get rid of it yet. A easy way that is.It has its paws everywere!


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[Romulus2]

Yup, I'm running Win98 SE on a 486DX2/66 as we speak (a computer I built some time ago out of spare bits). It does have 48Mb RAM and a 3.2Gb HDD so that helps I guess (the BIOS was recent enough to recognise a drive that size). The video card is an old ATI Mach32.

It runs the full version of Win98 SE with all the bells and whistles. And it really isn't that slow! I do have a spare AMD 5x86/133 lying round somewhere so I will get it to run even better.

Oh yeah. It did take about two hours to fully install. But once it's done, it runs fine.

[zskillz]

thanks all
CommodSquad... I'm that far already, so when I un acoss problems.. i'll email you
thanks
Z

[zskillz]

thanks
hey Commodsquad... Am I correct in understanding that this is to be treated like a shareware type of thing??
and do i need to install windows and just run that then...
or do i use that to install windows with the CD support
tnanks
Z