Just istal a win modem ( man they suck)

[welsh wizard]

Theres a first time for everything, always used good quality modems before, but decided to try one of these win modems,a pragmatic 56 V90, its slower than an old Zoom which can only do 33, it's a first and last time for me, any one out there think any diff about these things.?
I won't bother with this system to connect with again.
WW

[bigslammer]

WW what cpu speed is this win modem on. it sounds crazy but when I overclocked my cpu my win modem performs soooo much faster. I download at close to 5.3kbps and ping is pretty decent(depends on # of players and server though, but not great ping). ping has been has low as 140 and most of the time it is around 156-187 but jumps to around 300 for seconds at a time. try www.regedit.com (http://www.regedit.com) for some tweaks to change the max mtu, mss, tll etc. good luck http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif. yes they're not modems. this win modem gave me tons of headaches before. if it is a lucent chipset I know of some good init strings and driver 544 seems best. new driver 565 is not very good though. good luck http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif email me if this is a lucent chip i know of some descent tweaks for these. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I assume that because winmodems use cpu cycles a faster cpu improves performance and can reassemble the datagrams faster.

[steves]

Remember there are two types of win/soft modem.

The really useless ones remove 2 parts of the standard 3 part chipset (AT command set handling and modulation/demodulation) and shift all the processing onto the host CPU. These need at least a Pentium 133 to run which is a good indication of how much processing power they use up. Avoid these at all costs. I prefer to refer to these as softmodems.

However the second only remove the AT command set/interface part of the chipset, these comsume a lot less CPU power and generally run pretty well for most things the processing overhead during communication being pretty small. I prefer to refer to these as win modems (as they will only run with the right drivers and are not as portable across OS's as genuine hard modems).

If you understand the detail please forgive the a slight oversimplification. But I thought it was a point worth making.

A quick rule of thumb when trying to distinguish between these two is to look at the minimum processor requirements. If it's a Pentium then hanlde with care.

Steve

[pickel]

Bigslammer: I have a Lucent Win modem.....
Tweak me http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

the pickel

[CMonster]

The first couple times I had really good success with the Creative Blaster Winmodem, high connection rates, and no disconnects - so I used the cheapies on a few more systems:

*Twice I have been totally frustrated and defeated by resource conflict as the IRQ seemed to be hard coded into the modem and would not allow changing there were a number of PCI devices already on these systems and the modems were those ultra cheap $13 jobs - no need to "BTC" mention any names "Lucent."

Two more times I have had frequent disconnects for no appearent reasons when using the higher priced versions, i.e. USR & Creative (the systems were fully up to speed), but replacing the modems with a controller based ISA completely solved the problems.

No more for me.



[This message has been edited by CMonster (edited 12-16-1999).]

[bigslammer]

pickel first I'd load the new one of the newer drivers from lucent 565 just came out but I've noticed 554 works best, it may differ for you. if you can find it use 554 or I can it mail to you but if you can't find it at their website try this
http://searchus.lucent.com/search.vts?QueryText=modem+drivers&collection=ALL&displayformat=full&SortField=
score&sortorder=desc&resultmaxdocs=25&BU=default&ResultTemplate=default.ht s

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you need to remember that new drivers will not alter some of your DUN specs in win 98. so here we go in your DUN folder right click on each connection and choose properties. under server types uncheck all of them except tcp/ip. click on tcp/ip settings and check ip header compression. under the general tab click thc configure button and set the maximum speed to 115,200. under port settings use the default or even lower it on notch each on port settings for easier connections(works for me). data bits =8 parity=none stopbits = 1. under advanced tab check error control and compress, also check flow control and hardware(rts/cts). use standard modulation and in extra settings I have

S37=29 -V90=21 S28=255.

the -v90 controls the downstream rate
s37 controls upstream rate
s28 i forget but i'll get back to you on it-V90=# where # can be any of the following to control the V90 downstream rate:
0 V.90 disabled
1 Auto Rate (default)
2 28000 3 29333 4 30666
5 32000 6 33333 7 34666
8 36000 9 37333 10 38666
11 40000 12 41333 13 42666
14 44000 15 45333 16 46666
17 48000 18 49333 19 50666
20 52000 21 53333 *22 54666
23 56000*
* 22 & 23 valid only with 5.49(+) firmware

S38=# where # disables or selects the KFlex downstream rate:

0 - disable KFlex (will force V90 -or- v.34 connection)
1 - Auto Rate (default)
2 - 32k 3 - 34k 4 - 36k
5 - 38k 6 - 40k 7 - 42k
8 - 44k 9 - 46k 10 - 48k
11- 50k 12 - 52k 13 - 54k

s37=# where # controls the upstream rate:

0 - Maximum (default)
3 - 300bps 5 - 1200bps 6 - 2400bps
7 - 4800bps 8 - 7200bps 9 - 9600bps
11- 14.4k 13 - 19.2k 14 - 21.6k
15- 24k 16 - 26.4k 17 - 28.8k
18- 31.2k 19 - 33.6k


Default \N3 allows V.42, MNP, or buffered (NoEC) mode. To use V.42 only, the command is \N4. Default %C1 will use V.42bis compression when V.42 error control is used

play around with the -v90=xx. at 21 it connects me at 53,333 and at 20 = 52,000 , 19=50,333 etc.

in control panel under network click on dial up adapter under the advanced tab you want yes on enable point to point, ip packet size to automatic, record a log file to No, and yes to ipx header compression.

in control panel under network click on tcp/ip adapter and disable WINS and DNS configuration.

after that go back to your modem icon and use all the same configurations that you probably used for each DUN.

just remember that you should make load settings in the DUN then load the driver. after this you can configure your modem icon in the control panel. then some of these setting will be universal to all your DUN connections. also you might want to change your max mtu, mss, rwin, ttl. check out regedit.com for these changes in your resgistry. if not try using ispeed program. good settings for me are max mtu=288 mss=248 rwin =2680(i think, 2412 also works well) ttl=128. and don't use internet boost as it messes up your registry and slowed me down significantly. uninstalling internet boost would still leave some registry setting in my pc. luckily i had a recent snapshot of my registry and this worked. good luck hope your connection is improved. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I also have a .pdf file of many settings i'll look around my HD to see if i can email it to you.


[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 12-17-1999).]

[welsh wizard]

This was on a Customers Pll 300 mmx with 64meg ram, he had only one app on there MS office pro 97, all he used it for was writing letters, tried a better modem in it, on another site it flew, but he didn't want the extra cost so he's got the pragmatic, but I won't be pushing them in future, http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
WW

[raz]

Dave_H, I was wondering the same thing. It's kinda annoying.

[welsh wizard]

You can all blame bigslammer for the wide page, it's the link that make the pages go wide http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif
personally I'll live with it just to get the link http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
WW

[This message has been edited by welsh wizard (edited 12-17-1999).]

[Dave_H]

WW
Thank-you very much for explaining that.
I'll assume everything was "normal" and when that big link was posted, all the previous
post's were "word wrapped", to fill the new size.

BTW, looking forward with great interest to your advance Y2K report. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

Dave

[socalgal]

bigslammer, you might want to check that link. I added the 's' in the command line after .ht, also tried adding 'm', 'ml' but no go...

Inserting a break somewhere in a link (if it's really long) will allow a page to retain its formatting (won't have to horizontal scroll). Noting the break will let us know that that we have to delete spaces when it's inserted in the Address Bar box.

But unfortunately, you also lose the direct link. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif I edited to demonstrate and to bring the page in.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif



[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 12-17-1999).]

[EVGTech]

One more thing to check here is the number your dialing and modem type you are connecting to. Your original modem was 33.6 right? are you dialing the same number? Some ISP's such as mine have seperate lines for 33.6 and 56k. i have experienced that using 56k modems on 33.6 connections can result in a poor connection.

[Swarozyc]

If anyone didn't know--winmodems don't work with LINUX

[bigslammer]

http://searchus.lucent.com/search.vts?QueryText=modem+drivers&collection=ALL&displayformat=full&SortField=
score&sortorder=desc&resultmaxdocs=25&BU=default&ResultTemplate=defau lt.ht s

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try that. at the search box just enter the words "modem driver" or "modem drivers" and it should give you good drivers. good luck http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
hehe, I'm sorry about making the page wider. i guess you could go to a really high resolution. trust me when i say it is toughest on me with my 15 inch monitor(cry for me argentina). http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

(Sorry, bigslammer, but the link *still* doesn't work, and the page was de-formatted again, so... -socalgal)


[This message has been edited by socalgal (edited 12-20-1999).]

[welsh wizard]

Well I just went out to 1280X1024 still couldn't get it all in without scrolling http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif
man that strains the old peepers.
stufit going back to 1024X768
WW

[Dave_H]

(Edit)
Sorry, was trying to post that same link and couldn't get it to work either. Adding the missing "s" got me to "0 items found" page but I could do a new search from there.

Excuse the mess


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[This message has been edited by Dave_H (edited 12-18-1999).]

[This message has been edited by Dave_H (edited 12-18-1999).]

[Dave_H]

Sorry everybody for this unrelated question.

But, what makes this string so "wide"?
I thought it had to do with the screen resolution of the person starting the string,
but other topics by Welsh Wizzard are
not like this.

Sorry for the interuption, I'm just curious.
Dave

[Red Rage]

For the LT Win Rev 5.15 and up I've found a simple AT&F, AT&FX or AT&FX&AT&F1 does the trick. With dissconnects and or non-connects. * note those are 3 different strings *

As Far a slow speeds with Win modems, I find that alot of the older ones are set to use Kflex or v.34 by default. So One of te things that I try early in trouble shooting is finding a string to disable Kflex and enable V.90. I know in this area the main problem with speed is the phone system. To many analog/digital conversions.

I almost always suggest Driver updates last. most of the customers don't know what drivers are let alone how to update them.

[Axel]

The length of this thread just supports my belief that all "win-modems" are door stops.

WW - how could you? - you must REALLY have been bored the last few days - That or you really don't like the person you're trying to install that modem for.....

In this day & age - futzing with modem strings......

I'd say it's cheaper for you to buy the poor guy a nice surplus 33.6 modem and move on with life. -

Be happy to send you a used 14.4 USR external, but it's a U.S. power supply - just e-mail me an address and it's yours - manuals and all.

[welsh wizard]

Axel, its what the customer wanted , he wouldn't go the extra $30 NZD ( about $15USD)
well he can live with it, I told him they had a bad rep before he insisted. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif
WW