help john robinson's wife

[john robbinson]

help me my husband is a computer freak I don't know what too do anymore.I hate computers. I had to write this in hopes that he might read it becaiuse I can't get his attention any other way.Please help lost at home john's wife

[Dominus]

We're not "Computer Freaks"; we prefer the terms "Geek", or "Nerd" /forum/smile.gif

Watch some Star Wars & read some Arthur C. Clarke, and soon you too will be one of us.

[MrEd]

Yeah, and email him all the things you want him to do around there.

Seriously though, John, you shouldn't let your computer time interfere with the time you should spend with your wife. I spend 80 percent of my day, at least, on a computer. But my girlfriend comes first, and she knows it. (I think... Maybe I should email her and ask.....)

TEND TO YOUR DUTIES JOHN. She may find someone else to take care of them.

-MrEd
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[socalgal]

MrEd speaks wisely...

[Nathan]

MrEd has spoken...wisely!!!

[JennyPsyco]

Yes significant others come first John. I know i've lost a few there. Now I work my computer schedual around my partner. Makes for happiness all around. /forum/smile.gif

I kind of like the term Freak. It has zing. /forum/smile.gif I give Computer Freak two Psyco thumbs up. Got a problem with that?

[welsh wizard]

John , don't mess around you can replace biuld or buy a computer, a wife NO, look after her and she'll look after you man, and before some w@s@@@s claims you can find a replacement, think again you can never replace the one you love.
WW

[Sweeper]

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!
YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED

[john robbinson]

hey guys come on your not helping! sign freak

[MrEd]

You're looking at this in the wrong way. We ARE trying to help you (and your wife). All of us here love to bang on the keyboard, but sometimes you just need to turn it off for awhile.

Give it a try, you'll thank me later.

-MrEd
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[dkozloski]

John, I think we are talking addiction here. You wouldn't let your wife get away with trying to control you the way that cyclops screen does. In the words of H. L. Hunt the billionaire, when asked about having all that money, "I would give it all for one good marraige".

[Susan]

In simpler terms /forum/smile.gif

John,you want her? She's asking for you.



[This message has been edited by Susan (edited 10-07-99).]

[Bob-NB]

Dear john's wife....(that doesn't really sound good does it?) Just type in anyone's name in the search box,(in the upper right) and you will see how much time others spend here on the board.

I'm sure that you will see that you really have your hubby alot more than some others have their's.

BTW, I gotta go, my wife is calling me....(yes honey can be heard as I shuffle off)

[welsh wizard]

Hey John if you want to stay on computer all the time get another one and network it, put it next to yours and get your good lady involved , but man don't get mad when it takes over and your the one in bed on your own as she is still in a chat room talking to some one else.
WW

[welsh wizard]

To John's wife , see if you can get one of the wiz kids to produce a gif that will transfix and order him to spend more time with you. ( you are feeling sleepy , your eyes are getting heavy sort of thing, it might work though thesemachines can be real adictive.)
WW

[Bleeding Edge]

Considering my long-standing single status, I am far from being the one to give good advice on relationships and marriages. I’d like, however, to take a crack at it.

We all have our shortcomings and degrees of selfishness. Granted some much less than others. But having one partner change or correct their behavior without the other’s enduring support and understanding, and the willingness of both to bend with the breeze…..You’re not going to get anywhere.

Take a moment and reflect. Remember the fate that brought you together (the soul’s driving need to share our lives with someone) and the love that keeps you this way. Cherish it some. There are those of us who have released our souls, and in doing so, lost the need (perhaps the desire still lingers) to have a companion of hearts. You have in your lives, something precious.

You both must have, at one time, loved each other enough to get married. I suspect you still do. So perhaps an effort of compromise is in order. You, wife John Robbinson, don't hate the machine so. There are many good things that it can offer. Even to you. Whether it be entertainment, online interests, home or business programs, or just email, there is something you can find of interest. You, husband John Robbinson, help her to find this. Be her personal tech. Teach her, help spark her interest so she can explore and take off on her own. Maybe you’ll find your interests to be the same.

Whether it is or isn’t, you, husband John must make the same effort for her. Find something of interest for the two of you besides computers. Explore the world and it’s possibilities. Explore each other.

And remember, just the act of looking for an interest to share, though it may take years, and many many trials to find….you’ll be doing it together. /forum/wink.gif


I wish you well.


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[dkozloski]

Advice to the lovelorn; what could be more noble? What's next?

[U-96]

Is this a wind-up? /forum/wink.gif

[Underclocked]

John's wife,
John could give up spending time on the keyboard and spend more time with you, but it's in his blood now and to force him to abstain would be cruel and unusual punishment. He would probably just walk the floor at first, then later suggest going out for walks. One evening he'll suggest you stop in a neighborhood tavern for a bit of refreshment. Next thing you know, he'll be headed to that tavern alone, guzzling down the household money, flirting with women, and who knows where that will lead.
Just let him cruise the net in peace. /forum/wink.gif

[john robbinson]

HEY thanks underclocked. need all the help i can get! my sentiments exactly signed freak

[DavidX]

Here's to you, Mrs Robinson! (Hey, hold on! Wasn't that Simon & Garfunkel?)

But you have to remember that guys do tend to have hobbies. They always have. A generation ago it might have been ham radio or model railways. For most guys it's bikes or cars or hi-fi or sports. It's not that he doesn't love you any less. He's just a normal male. A few million years ago he'd be off hunting mammoths. Nowadays, it's megabytes.

Look on the bright side. At least you know where he is every night. And don't worry. If you really want his attention, just unplug his computer for a moment. I guarantee you'll get all the attention you could want /forum/wink.gif

[Nathan]

B.E. I'm very impressed. For the first time in my life someone explained in simple English the fate we ALL secretly have. And that's the drive we all have to share our lives with someone we think is special. That explains why so many of us stay married, keep repeatedly getting married, or have different relationships.

For that...I thank you.

[Apostle 83]

John,
Get a stinking grip! DO YOU LOVE YOUR WIFE? Then spend time with her!!! She wants you man!!!!!!!!

[Sweeper]

Ok, How much time do you REALLY spend on the pc each day? REALLY. Don't understand this post at all. Isn't it better for Mr. Robinson to be AT HOME doing his hobby or say at the local hot spot? I have never understood this problem? PC's are just like HOT-RODS. Either you can have him inside or in the garage. If you take away the pc then he WILL find another hobby...give him some peace... /forum/wink.gif

[U-96]

I have to agree Sweeper. And it's not just a bloke thing. Guys prefer physical hobbies with tools, grease, blood, that kinda stuff.
We get involved because we like to fix stuff good. And if it doesn't fix, we'll carry on until it **** well does.
Women construct hobbies differently, whether it's shopping, coffee-mornings or kick-boxing. It's done as more of a social thing, as a way of meeting friends. With guys its a way of beating friends. That's why we can't put stuff down once we pick it up /forum/smile.gif

Unless JR spends 24/7 on www.thaipornstarletscoveredinbabyoil.com, or www.microsoft.com. That would be bad.

Analyse if the PC is a means to an end - for example, for online gambling, or porn or chat. That is where the addiction lies. If someone is a habitual gambler, we don't accuse them of being addicted to betting shops.

U-96

P.S. Before I get flamed for misogyny, I read that social/antisocial hobby theory in a medical journal. So there. I love and respect all the women in my life, but I don't call my granny frequently enough.

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[CMonster]

My wife said if I build another computer she would leave me...I will miss her.

Well, if I sell it and give her the money then I can stay.

Oh yeah, and no naming the computers after other women either.

This one's name is "Diaz," the one I just built is "Henry." "Lucky" was gender neutral.

..then there are the two named after my first and last names ..

But my daughter's computer is named after her /forum/wink.gif

[U-96]

CMonster, the corollary:
you know you have a problem if you name your daughter after your computer /forum/wink.gif

"Abit! Dinner's ready! Bring Acer and little Asustek with you!"

"3Dfx! Stop pulling nVidia's hair!"

etc etc.


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[DavidX]

hmmm . . . maybe I should call my next son "Bill". I could do with a billionaire in the family.

[john robbinson]

Hey, listen he does spend 24/7 on this computer He eats,drinks,and has even slept in front of this thing.My kids are not allowed anywhere near it.He even put in a tv card and surround soun system so he wouldn't miss Jerry or the ball game.All he needs now is a frigerator and a port a potty next to it and he'll be all set.I've decided to close off the computer room and just make it his own house.Will the agony ever end?John's almost ex-wife

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[Nathan]

I feel for you both. I really do. However there are two sides to each story. But I would say sooner or later you have to do what you must do.

Good luck to you both. I hope you get it worked out.

[Joel Kleppinger]

Take a look through a 20-year-old College Senior's eyes.

Having had only one serious relationship in my life, I'm no expert. Yet, if just a little more would have been different in that relationship (something neither of us had too much control over), I'd be a married man right now. As it is, I've had only one date since beginning my Junior year of HS, that coming about a year ago. That's not to say I don't try, and in fact I'm in the process of asking a girl out even right now.

My life is an example of just how difficult it is to really find the right girl (cuz it's sure not like I haven't tried). John, you obviously have been one of the fortunate ones and have found her. All those years ago, you said that the Mrs. John would be the only one for you, to have and to hold, to love and cherish ALL THE TIME. Don't let a little off-white machine seperate you from the one you love. I know you want to be on it - it gives you some fun, it challenges you, it makes you grow.

But so does your wife. How it must be to have someone that can put her arms around you and let you know she still loves you when you blow it or you're struggling - whether at work, the bowling alley (or you just CAN'T beat Myst /forum/smile.gif), or wherever. Cherish that love. Hold it in the highest regard. And let her know you hold it in that regard. Just saying it is all fine and dandy, but think about this: I have a little saying - If a picture means a thousand words, then an action is of immeasurable value. Basically, live out what you say.

And Mrs. Robbinson, I ask in John's behalf that you have some patience with him. I understand well the rush that can be had of doing something that I've never done before (esp. Linux), making that little beast go a little faster, understanding how it all works together a little better. I enjoy learning about computers, and I'm sure John does the same. Please don't quell his desire to learn and grow.

My biggest request though is to not hold this "almost ex-wife" stuff over him. I don't know if you were joking or not, but you're his one real sense of stability in life (don't even TRY to say his PC is - I'm sure he still runs Windows). Let him know you're going to be there to try to help him through it all - that you're there for him. Give him and your relationship with him the respect they deserve.

Getting married merely takes an agreement for a moment, but staying married requires a lifetime of compromise. Both involved must be willing to compromise.

Good Luck. /forum/smile.gif

[Roy]

Dear Abby ~ I've met the most wonderful woman, and I think she likes me very much.

My brother is a computer freak, my sister is a prostitute. My father is in prison and my mother is an addict.

My question is this ~ shall I tell her my brother is a computer freak?

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[Nathan]

Why do we hang around with the people we do? Has anyone REALLY sat down and thought about it? Why do we hang around our friends? Why is that relation so different than marriage? When you want to share your life with someone, you merge with them so to speak. What am I saying? Most of us marry because we want to share our life with our mate till either of us dies. That's usually the plan. However, when that relation starts to break down, they start not doing things together. Yes it's hard.

I've always thought life is about commitment to someone else. Through marriage or friendship. You give up or lessen some things for the other. I've been married to the same women for 19 years. The longer I'm married the more I realize that it's the relationship with the other that's so important. I realized this before my wifes cancer and the death of our first born.

When a person is on their death bed, who do they ask for? Their family and closest friends. When we realize why, then we really start to understand relationships.

Life is difficult for some of us isn't it?

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[Zacko10000]

I'm only a 16 year old, and I may not know too much about life but heres my two cents. I've been solving computer problems since I was 9 years old, and at one point in my life became extremely addicted to computers. John, what's more important to you your wife and kids or a hunk of metal sitting on the desk? Get your priorities straight! You can always replace a computer, but you can't replace your wife. And just imagine the impact this behavior of yours will on your kids. Their father staying isolated all day, all night. It makes them feel unappreciated and neglected, studies have shown it can lead to depresson and low self-esteem. For 3 years I was a computer addict, it ruined my life (at least for a while), slowed my social development in a crucial stage. For these years of addiction I had no friends and became an outcast. I implore you, if not your own sake, for the sake of your kids stop. You don't want any of them to go through this. Through all my suffering I came to realize one thing, computers are great, but people are even better. Life is short, do you really want to spend it sitting isolated in front of some grey box? Do you want to die with no friends, as a lonely old man sitting in front of a computer? Try taking a vacation (don't bring along that laptop), and try living just a week (or even a weekend for that matter) without the computer. It feels really good, you have time to focus on the other, better things in life. Today I'm alright, I'm on the road to recovery, I'm no longer addicted to computers! I'm free! I actually have a life! Now I have taught myself to use moderation when on the computer, it makes life so much better.
Zach

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[Bleeding Edge]

If ever, there came a time, to listen to a 16-year-old, listen now.

[Ed_S]

I'll throw in my viewpoint, that of a 40 year old man, married 16 years now. Also been computer hobbiest for those same 16 yrs, got the first one 6 months after marriage.

You both need to make allowances. The name of the game is compromise.

Mrs. R, realize that most guys have hobbies and be glad your husband has one he can pursue at home. Sometimes he probably just needs to get away from the world and loose himself in his hobby, which doesn't come from a bottle, this is a BIG plus. Respect this. Try to become, or at least act, interested. I'm sure he'd love to share this with you, and you'd be showing him you care about his interests, therefore him.

John, spend more time with her. Take her to dinner, she'll appreciate the "night off" (assuming she does the cooking) and you won't head for the 'puter after the meal. Try conversation after dinner. Do things you both enjoy. Do things she enjoys & act like you do too!! This sounds bad but works good.
Do the things that first drew you together, it works well to strengthen the relationship.

It took a long time to get worked out, but computers and family life can coexist. There are times I come home from work, go straight to my desk and don't come out until long after everyone's asleep. She knows I need these times alone. Other times, the thing doesn't get powered up because I'm busy with the family, or just getting work done around the house.
I've tried to get her involved, but she has no interest and I've learned to respect this. She doesn't really care about my great new upgrade, but she listens & acts like she does. I really don't care about some of her interests, and I'm sure she knows it, but I still pay attention and act interested.
We do have common interests and things we enjoy together and do those as much as time & fortune allow, which really isn't all that often.

Get help if needed. We did (although not really computer related) and it DOES help!
Some of what I've related is what we learned in counseling, but much of our problems are not relevent to this. We're working on it and always will be. This is IMPORTANT! When you quit working on it you're in BIG trouble!!

Well, I've taken a shot at helping, all that's left is to say good luck, and don't give up.

[Underclocked]

16 Years huh? There is something bizzare about that marker. My ex put out a contract on me at that point. Luckily, the guy just took the money.
Man, that would have bought a (several) NICE system.
She's in jail now and has been for some time, though not for that. She put out another contract on a poor fellow and it worked. First Degree Murder. Not your average housewife, BUT keep an eye on that woman John.
And, I aint kiddin'.

[DavidX]

JJ~ loved that site! /forum/biggrin.gif

[alondra]

there was a story in the paper about a woman that spent 18 hrs a day in front of the box. plain and simple it is an addiction, just like dope or booze. get help man, or expect a divorce.

[JerseyJoe]

Here is a site you might want to check out /forum/smile.gif
http://www.infoflex.com.au/wife.htm

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[MrEd]

It's a funny thing. I post a couple of replies to this, and take a few days off(from the computer), and come back to see 30 something more posts. Evidently, our points are not being made. There are a lot of good points here, and I stress A LOT. Not to mention that all these posts are from different people from all over the place, and of all different races and ages. The reasoning about the "Hobby" of it is a good one, but let me talk about that for a sec. Since the begining of time, men have done things to busy themselves, whether it be hunting Wooley Mammoths, to designing the 3 Georges Dam in China. Men need hobbies. Women should relize that no matter how much they do to please us, we still need "something" for ourselves. I have a friend that has been married for about 7 years. He and his wife are the happiest couple I've ever seen, but he still has his hobby. Building RC Planes. He spends hours and lots of money doing it, but he has ALWAYS ALWAYS made time for her. And through his compromise, she has grown to appreciate and even become involved in his hobby with him, but not to the point of intrusion into his space. If a person gets to the point of secluding himself in a room by himself ignoring his family, as harsh as the reality is, he's going to come out of that room someday, and his family is not going to be there. Too many people neglect to relize that time is a precious comodity. Every minute you spend away from the people that love you is not only detrimental to a relationship, but it is not good health. The human race has been created with a need to socialize, the less interaction we have with our species, the less we can learn and grow to a mature and healthy individual. I've seen too many relationships end just because of a lack of communication. How does one communicate with someone on a computer. Sure there's "chat" and "email", but that's not communicating, that's just talking. To communicate and listen, there has to be one on one interaction. Eye contact, touching, facial expression. You can't get those from ICQ Chat, or NetMeeting. I don't care how good your freaking "Sony DigiCam" is. I guess the whole point I'm trying to make here is: John, and anyone else who thinks they're in the same boat, everything starts with the home. If you don't make a good home environment, there will be consequences down the road that you will fail to relize was your own fault. People want to know why kids are shooting kids in school, or guys are going to work and killing co-workers? Just do some research into thier home life, and I will bet my next two paychecks that you will find that there was little or no communication, and no interaction within the family. Everyone take a look at your own life, and tell me that there wasn't something in your family history that has had some impact on your current situation. Whether it be certain values that were given to you that effects how you make decisions in your life, or things that weren't said and done that you still may harbor some resentment for. Our older generation wonders why kids are so bad now.... just wait another generation or two, and things nowadays won't seem that bad. We must all take it upon ourselves to help others or the human race will become extinct. We've all been given the natural instinct of morality, and manners, and humility. Why doesn't anyone use those anymore. We all "KNOW" when we are doing something wrong, but society has hardened our thoughts to block out those "wrong" feelings, and replace them with selfishness. A bank robber knows he's doing wrong, but he thinks selfishly about what he needs the money for. I hope "EVERYONE" reads this, and puts it to heart. If we don't find time to do something now, who's going to find the time to do it before it's too late for us all.

SPEND QUALITY TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY, NONE OF US WANT TO VISIT OUR KIDS IN PRISON!!! AND NONE OF US WILL ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT WE PUT THEM THERE!!!

-MrEd
(no smiley this time. I'm in "serious" mode)

[jeana]

Hello Mr. and Mrs. Robbinson,

Being both a woman and a techno-addict, I may be able to understand something of both sides of the Robbinsons' problem. A few months ago when I was building my computer, my fiance complained that I seemed to spend more time with the box than with him. To cut down my screen-time has been tough, because even now every time I look at my (VERY COOL and SUPERDELUXE!!) computer a tiny little firework of pride and happiness bursts in my chest. I guess nothing of the sort happens when I look at my man-- he's great, but I didn't build him from scratch!

But even though I seethe with resentment every time he complains about the surfing, I do know that he's right. The truth is, it does me more good than it does him when he breaks the spell. Otherwise life outside the hobby gets worse and worse every time I wake up. Resentment is a pretty ungrateful reward for a rescuer! Also, remember that a definition of an addiction is an obsession that occupies you to the extent that it causes you serious troubles with major aspects of your life. It may feel ridiculous to be an addict to computer games or what not, but it's possible. Heck, I'm the type that gets addicted to watching my drives defragment!

Communication is good and necessary-- only with communication and love can you get a hobby-addict to admit the problem. But even if a person is ready and willing to balance his life, communication is not the only thing necessary. The hobby-addict and spouse must somehow work together to make life outside the hobby more appealing as well. Nagging is no good! It drives a person further into escapism.

Fortunately, the type of person who would get addicted to hardware sites on the web may be a project-oriented sort who could conceivably find great joy once his energies were directed toward building a family and home. It's just the redirection of energies that takes an effort.

It would be a shame if the intelligence and the constructive impulses that were spent on John's computer ended up driving you apart.

Good luck to the both of you.

-jeana

(Aside to MrEd: Well, I'm not so sure that hobby-obsession is limited to men! It's true that because of their upbringing more men than women are drawn to technologically complex hobbies.
For instance, over a decade my fiance has endured with humor not just my computer addiction, but my SCUBA diving fad; Quilting Madness; the I'll Fix All Our Household Electronics, It's Economical craze; the Let's Can All Our Food By Ourselves, It's Economical fad...uh, anyway. But you can see the type of things that a gal without children can get wrapped up in.)

[john robbinson]

Not true,I gave my kids the old 486. I put password lock in the bios because the kids kept shutting windows down through powers switch over and over then when I turned it on scan disk would come on and kids swore they shut it down right. After all day of this, now when scan disk comes on at boot the yellow line is turning orange half way through and exit comes up. Windows still loads but I doen't know what orange line means and I know nothing about registary and how to use it. Signed freak

[veedubber]

here is what you do...load up the 12 guage, go into the room and plug the machine with 3 rounds of double-ot buck shot then he will have to admit that he is seriously messed up and will have to spend all of his time with you in therapy...hello DR.,DR.

[john robbinson]

Hey she may call it my own house, Ijust call it my office!It's part of the living room and everybody has to ask permisson to pass through it.Kinda like Phil Hartman on News Radio. Signed Freak

[Ed_S]

Hopefully your story doesn't end like Hartmann's real life did.

Get help, man.

[Susan]

Is there a CAA (Computer Addictions Anonymous) out there? If not, maybe there should be. /forum/wink.gif

Everything in life must be prioritized, whether it is computers, hobbies, family or work. Sometimes it may be a juggling act, but it can be done when one truly see's what is important.

[Livewire]

John
Please, please learn from my mistakes at one point I had to come home from the office to prevent my system from being completely wrecked and another thing if your the kind of guy who is in the habit of leaving his case off please don't Your wife sounds to be at approximately the same point mine was when she put her foot in my case and it DEFINITELY got my attention. Budget your time wisely!!! Livewire

[DavidX]

Well said, MrEd. Communication (the face-to-face type especially) is the basic foundation of society. A very large percentage of the troubles in society are directly due to a lack of it. Hobbies are great, even essential for many people, but when/if they start to replace communication they have to be seen in perspective and given less priority.

[Hookedonpb]

Dear Mrs. Robinson

I believe that since your husband is not providing you with the 'sensitive needs' of a woman, you should hook up with me. I will give you what you are not getting at home.

GET A LIFE DUDE, AND LEMME BORROW YOUR WIFE!!!!

You should tell your husband to enjoy the "MEMOREX" memories that he is getting, and let me have the "REAL THING"

Signed... Hookedonpb

[MrEd]

Hookedonpb: That was a little distasteful don't you think? She's here trying to get our help, not pick up someone.

-MrEd

[Apostle 83]

Hookedonpb,
You are sick. This lady is desperate right now for her husband to love her, and you're stinkin messing with her mind! I believe an apology, POSTED, is in order!

[john robbinson]

Its okay he's a family freind who's girlfreind turned me onto pc she was my neighber till her husband left her because she spent all her time on the pc Oh not to mention meeting hookedonpb on line.Now to think of it i paid $250 for that 486dx50 i should be madd oh well she got her self back she upgraded to a wonderfull state of the art pb200 barely upgradable. HA HA HA ha ha signed freak

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[DavidX]

john robbinson~
You seem totally oblivious to all the thoughtful advice members of this forum have been giving you and instead you apparently regard this whole thread as a joke. If this thread was genuinely begun by your wife (and isn't just some sad trick played on this forum by you) then you are indeed in desperate need of counselling. Get some NOW or lose your family!

[Hookedonpb]

Dear Mr. John Robinson:

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Your wife is a very special person, and I really hope that you decide to take care of her, and make her part of your life once again, like she once was.

Signed.....A Concerned Hookedonpb

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[Ed_S]

DavidX - It is looking more & more like a hoax to me, too. If so, a lot of us have been duped into lengthy posts which took a lot of time & thought. Not to mention exposing feelings and experiences.

If for real, then it won't be long at this rate for something violent to happen. Hopefully just to the machine, as much as we all like them it is just an inanimate object!!

(Hurt to say that, hope "my baby" wasn't paying attention... /forum/smile.gif ) What IS all that HD noise, anyway??


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[Apostle 83]

I was just wondering if it was ever decided whether or not this was a hoax. Mrs. Robinson, if this is real, how are things going with you and your husband?

[DavidX]

Apostle 83 ~
I think it safe to say that "john robbinson's" bluff was called. The whole thing was a very sad and sick hoax.

[Toadman]

Maybe a hoax, maybe not. Either way a very good point was made on a topic we generally do not bring out in the open. It has been a most interesting thread in either case. For some of us,thanks for the wake-up call, JR!