Tant-trum

[tantone]

I think that, before anything is sorted out with the mods, they all need to get on the same page and some ground rules need to be set for their behavior--i.e. what's acceptable and what's not--just as there are ground rules set for everyone who agrees to create an account.

Nothing like that will be resolved in this thread, or any thread in the main user sections. Those threads need to take place away from the general areas and the admin/owners need to step in to keep these children with itchy banning fingers and overly-inflated egos in check.

I realize that a mod or two might find these comments "irritating," but it's only because the comments are true and strike a nerve.

[JPnyc]

If ANY member feels the mod crew has treated them unjustly, come to me. Use the contact us link, which goes directly to my email, and make your case. I will view it fairly and I will respond, whatever the determination.

However, that said, this forum is NOT your personal soapbox and the VOLUNTEER moderator crew here does not have to be subjected to your constant criticism. And in case that is too vague, here's a more succinct approach. If you don't cease publicly 2nd guessing and criticizing the mod crew here, I will ban your account, your IP address, your email, and any descendants who can be identified via DNA testing.

[Baddog]

It's must be the spring weather. Hormones and such.:D

[rockinup1231]

The mods are just doing their job, they aren't supposed to agree with any of us all the time since they are supposed to shun those that don't follow the rules.

[mireland]

It's must be the spring weather. Hormones and such.:D


I don't know..I think some of us got a hold of a bad batch of cocaine.... :eek:

[Imperion1]

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Waahh.

[mireland]

:t

[tantone]

1st of all, I didn't start this thread. It was started by a mod or admin after I posted this as a reponse to the opening of a thread called tant v mods. After that thread was closed and I was warned, I shut up.

2nd, I do believe that even mods had to agree to those rules as well, since we're all users. If the stress of being a volunteer moderator means you can no longer be polite to some of the folks who come here and ask simple, possibly redundant, questions, then it's time to unvolunteer and find a less-stressful outlet for your spare time.

[Ankerson]

Interesting

[Shoreguy]

that was my thread, after the fish thread got derailed. I found it amusing that that got erased, which was in OT. This one, in a more standard forum, get's the deathstar's policy and procedure doctrine published and commented on(see Waahh.). I'm beginning to understand that Lando is right sometimes. ...sometimes. I've got a bet with myself that this thread will get closed or deleted as well.

[Ankerson]

Not by me. :)

[tantone]

Actually, from what I can tell, all threads in here get deleted (maybe moved) after all discernable use has come from it. That goes for positive and negative comments.

[Ankerson]

It seems to me from reading all that has been going on it's might be a good thing to remember this is a Forum on the Internet. It's not like people are standing right in front of you and or on the phone. :)

Sometimes it good just to take a deep breath and relax and remember that it's just the Internet.

However if members see something they don't care for or don't like they can report the post and or PM one of us or the Admins. Joe and Steve are very fair. :)

[JPnyc]

1st of all, I didn't start this thread. It was started by a mod or admin after I posted this as a reponse to the opening of a thread called tant v mods. After that thread was closed and I was warned, I shut up.

2nd, I do believe that even mods had to agree to those rules as well, since we're all users. If the stress of being a volunteer moderator means you can no longer be polite to some of the folks who come here and ask simple, possibly redundant, questions, then it's time to unvolunteer and find a less-stressful outlet for your spare time.
I agree with that. My point is, if you have a problem with something a moderator does, bring it to me, I will listen and examine the issue fairly. That's my job.

[rockinup1231]

Joe and Steve are very fair. :)

That is very true, more than true for all the mods. Alot of stuff I've done has really bent or went over the edge with the rules, and I have been caught for most of it...so has jm, mireland, leppy...I'd say they've been more than fair to everyone and forgiving.

[Sterling_Aug]

Actually, from what I can tell, all threads in here get deleted (maybe moved) after all discernable use has come from it. That goes for positive and negative comments.

This has never been true that I have seen. Maybe you should check your sysopt preferences. I have mine to only show the past 2 days of threads in each forum.

Only threads that require the system admins' attention get moved to the moderator forum area (which is off limits to everyone except the mods).

Threads are never deleted after the solution is determined.

[tantone]

I was referring only to the feedback/announcement section. I saw a comment here the other day from a contented user and it's gone now. I figured this section is kept clutter-free.

[Sterling_Aug]

Not that I am aware of. There are threads on sysopt that are years and years old.

[porsch1909]

If you adjust the disaply options at the bottom of the page at the from the part to 'beginning' it shows all the threads tanty. ;)

[Imperion1]

Check your Display Options below the Threads In Forum. You can adjust your viewed threads from yesterday up the the beginning (Over a year).

[tantone]

DOH! That was it. Never really noticed since the other sections have so many new posts.

[chriswhitelaw]

Sorry but I have to chime in and not to keep this going but Imperion you had something to say in my post "a little attitude" after it was already closed that I didn't understand who you were even talking to and at the end you made the comment about the wambulance , who was that directed to? and why did you make the comment after the thread was already closed. I do believe that we had solved all problems and that was to be the end of it.

[genesound]

Since I was a regular poster here, I have been involved in quite a few other forums. Most of those forums tend to be quite a bit different than here because they are biker forums. There are very few rules in them, but it's kind of like everybody is packin heat, and oddly enough we all get along incredibly well!!! We have hundreds of regular posters! I have been across the country a lot in the last year and have actually met a few of them face to face and we have a gas talking bikes, politics, religion, filth, immigration, computers, whatever, and mostly nobody is ever offended, and on the rare occasion it happens, we tend to work it out because we have decided to be friends!!!

One of those forums has a special area that special access must be obtained to post in, and really anything goes, but it hasn't turned into what you'd think. Most of us are middle aged, have decent incomes, many have kids, grandkids, etc. We tend to have raunchy senses of humor, varying opinions, but we like and respect each other. I have not seen one banning ever on one of those sites, but I understand there was one a couple of years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I still peruse info around here, and enjoy being able to get info here and still have the privilege to post questions and get questionable advice.

I narrowly missed the ban stick on at least one occaison, and deservedly so according to the rules here, but it seems to me that the rigidity has difficulty containing it's own weight sometimes. On these "wild" biker sites, the mods will post in a disagreement thread, but just to state their view, not to threaten anybody. If anything, they might even add another stick to the fire, and then at some point, the fire just goes out. We all support and pay to keep those forums open by the way, on a totally voluntary basis.

This site on the other hand, has advertizers, and a corporate ownership. It's a totally different thing. People come here and post for free, then want to get in a tizzy over minutia and opinions, egos and who's better than who. Very odd. What's really supposed to be going on here is computer advice, but it so often comes down to a cranky mod getting into the middle of something that could possibly just work itself out, or people pushing the envelope just to see how far they can go bending the rulez, then insulting a mod, or a mod insulting a poster, even a n00b with an innocent question!

Oh well, you guys should go have some fun and play with some big brutes and get some manners the old fashioned way... just my opinion :t

[tantone]

Gene always makes sense. If there's one thing to say about him, it's that. If there's more than one thing...we all could chime in. ;) j/k gene.

I've pushed the edge more than my share of times, and I've yet to be kicked or banned. Sometimes I get my feathers spiked, but here it's only happened when mods try to act like their poo don't stink. There are a couple of mods that I would never speak out against because, while they may be sarcastic or rude sometimes, I know they don't mean anything by it. And the mods I speak of would never have a problem being called on it.

Every now and then, however, you get an incident that's totally uncalled for. Sometimes started by a frustrated user, and other times started by a frustrated mod.

I tend to hold people "in power" to a slightly higher stantard. For one thing, I assume that they're where they are for a reason. If they're no better--sometimes far worse--than the people they're complaining about, I'll say something.

While I realize that this isn't a democracy where the majority rules and us regular users can revolt and bring about change, I do expect that constructive criticism will be met with polite and fair consideration.

From all this I've taken one thing away: when I feel a line has been crossed by a mod, I'll bring it to the attention of a couple of well-intentioned folks who will look at the issue--relatively impartially--and make an informed call.

In the end, I think you're right, gene. Everything will work itself out.

[bonz_dragon]

I was going to stay out of this, but...

I have been coming to this site almost daily for the past number of years and have learned a great deal. I find it very enjoyable and informative. I also go to a few other forums and take part.

Of the 3 other forums I visit this is the only one were I see mods react the way way do. There have been times that I've been absolutly flabbergassed by some of the flippant remarks made by these people. I feel some have been completely uncalled for esp. by a moderator. This has just made me feel more comfortable going to those other sites for help. They shouldn't be adding fuel. Or provoking reactions like this. After all they are monitors and should be trying to keep the peace.

Rules of engagement should work both ways as stated or understood by the agreement. Respect is still a two sided street.

At the same time I will add there was a time when I was having a problem with a member and a moderator stepped in and took very good care of it! Thank you bpb!

Again, I enjoy coming to this forum and want to continue to do so, but some of this nonsense has to stop. I respect the mods and all other members but to be honest as of late I have been reluctant to add a reply for fear of offending someone. Esp
the mods.

Just hope we can get this all sorted out and go back to having a good experience.
Thanks for the forum.

[Steve R Jones]

Earlier in the week we popped the hood and did a bit of under clocking of the attitudes of the staff here. In theory, it should make a noticeable difference. I purposely used the word “theory” because after all, we’re ALL only human. Only time will tell.

The attitude adjustment does appear to be working. (Working on this side of the keyboard anyway.) The old me would have loved to jump all over this statement:


I've pushed the edge more than my share of times, and I've yet to be kicked or banned.

The old me would have mentioned that we’ve seen you go to the edge and how it isn’t appreciated. I too many times wonder why you haven’t been banned bla bla bla.

The new me thinks its water under the bridge and am ready to get back to our main goal of helping people with computer problems.

[porsch1909]

Check your Display Options below the Threads In Forum. You can adjust your viewed threads from yesterday up the the beginning (Over a year).
THat would be what I just said :confused:

[JPnyc]

Earlier in the week we popped the hood and did a bit of under clocking of the attitudes of the staff here. In theory, it should make a noticeable difference. I purposely used the word “theory” because after all, we’re ALL only human. Only time will tell.

The attitude adjustment does appear to be working. (Working on this side of the keyboard anyway.) The old me would have loved to jump all over this statement:



The old me would have mentioned that we’ve seen you go to the edge and how it isn’t appreciated. I too many times wonder why you haven’t been banned bla bla bla.

The new me thinks its water under the bridge and am ready to get back to our main goal of helping people with computer problems.
However the current me and the former me have both duly noted his confession.;)

[Ankerson]

However some of us maintain complete deniability. :x

[porsch1909]

So does this 'change' in the mods mean that BpB just won't post?

[Sterling_Aug]

I think porsch needs an attitude adjustment as well, or at least stop pushing other peoples buttons.

[porsch1909]

It was a legitimate query. I wasn't trying to push anyone's buttons.

I for one find that BpB is a knowledgable perosn in this field. I think he solves a lot of problems.

But will he just stop posting because the mods have been encouraged to be nicer and that it's just not in his nature to be 'nice'?

[Sterling_Aug]

See. If that is how I interpreted your comment, then don't you think others would read it that way as well? :rolleyes:

The issue here is "perception". If you don't mean to say something in a bad way, then reword what you want to say so the meaning is clear. :t

I don't think it is that BpB isn't nice. It is a matter of burn out and personal stress. It would be easier on everyone if we had more people show their technical talent and then get asked to help out as a Mod, so the rest of us could ease off a bit. :x

[bonz_dragon]

I think porsch needs an attitude adjustment as well, or at least stop pushing other peoples buttons.
There you go. I understood what porsch was posting and I didn't see an attitude. I too would be concerned if Bill quit posting. He is a valued member.

[porsch1909]

See. If that is how I interpreted your comment, then don't you think others would read it that way as well? :rolleyes:

The issue here is "perception". If you don't mean to say something in a bad way, then reword what you want to say so the meaning is clear. :t

I don't think it is that BpB isn't nice. It is a matter of burn out and personal stress. It would be easier on everyone if we had more people show their technical talent and then get asked to help out as a Mod, so the rest of us could ease off a bit. :x


I find all the problems that I'm able to solve are usually already solved these days. I just don't find the time to keep completely up to date with tech stuff these days.

Heck I'm still running a 32-bit single core *starts crying*

[Sterling_Aug]

Awww, poor porch, he is 64bit core deprived.

I feel for you. Two of the seven laptops and desktop in my house are still only 32 bit dual processor systems. The other five systems are either single processor-single core, dual processor-dual core, or dual processor-quad core 64 bit systems.

My monster is a dual processor, quad core 2.66 GHz Xeon workstation, 4 GB RAM, Quadro FX3450 video, 500 GB SATA drive, etc. all thanks to where I work. They paid for it, but I keep it.

[porsch1909]

What kind of work would need that sort of processing power :confused:

When I got my computer it was the bees knees. At one point I had the second best gaming machine on sysopt. THat Yoshi beat me

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t30/porsch1909/AVR3806_big.jpg

Now I've spent all my moneys on this and some lovely speaker :D

Except I blew one of my speakers recently :( I don't think it was my fault though :D

[tantone]

Please move your computer/audiophile pow-wow to the OT forum and leave this thread clear for my whining. What's wrong with you people?

[genesound]

Please move your computer/audiophile pow-wow to the OT forum and leave this thread clear for my whining. What's wrong with you people?You tell im :r :D

[Sterling_Aug]

Who said anything about my work requiring that much CPU power? It is a guy thing. Mr. Scott, I need more power.....

But Captain, I'm givin' you all shes got.

This computer is already in the top 20 in the World for recent active credit for SETI. It should work into the top 10 in a few more weeks.

[mireland]

Please move your computer/audiophile pow-wow to the OT forum and leave this thread clear for my whining. What's wrong with you people?


would you like some cheese on a ritz cracker to go with yer whine? :D

[genesound]

Who said anything about my work requiring that much CPU power? It is a guy thing. Mr. Scott, I need more power.....

But Captain, I'm givin' you all shes got.

This computer is already in the top 20 in the World for recent active credit for SETI. It should work into the top 10 in a few more weeks.

Jeeberz! That's quite a machine eh?

I quit boincing. I moved, don't have room, on the road a lot, tired of the heat. Glad you're still on the trail for the team though Sterling. ;)

[Sterling_Aug]

I found a candidate signal about 2 years ago, then I was SETI User of the Day a little over a year ago.