Is The 6800GS AGP Vaporware???? [Archive]

Roadhog

12-10-2005, 07:04 PM

I have to wonder. Per posts here, the Inquirer said the 6800GS AGP would show up this week. I can not find one yet??

Any one heard "ANYTHING" about the status of the 6800GS AGP??

BTW, I have noticed hardware is going up a tad right now, and not down? I bought an AMD 64 Venice 3000 cpu Retail from Newegg about a three months ago for about $140, and now they are around $180 (todays price--and limit to one). The evga 6800GT AGP was (I think-- $279 at newegg a few weeks ago), today I checked and they are $284.

Has any one noticed that hardware is on the rise right now, or is this just a couple items that I have checked and keeping an eye on?? Maybe supply and demand for the Christmas season?? I was hoping Newegg would be having some good sales for the holidays?

BadDriver

12-10-2005, 10:29 PM

You know, everything seems to point back to the Inlyinger when you do a google search for 6800GS AGP.

I take nothing that site says seriously. They keep readers by being the #1 rumor mill on the net. If you are waiting for the 6800GS based on anything the Inquirer says and without any other place to back it up you had better buy the 6800GT AGP while you can still get your hands on one.

I can't find another source anywhere and the Inquirer pretty much guaranteed an AGP version of the X1800 series which turned out to be total BS.

Roadhog

12-10-2005, 11:04 PM

Yep--every link about the 6800GS points back to the Inquirer (evey single one). It would seem if NVIDIA did in fact ship some out, like the Inquirer said, we would have seen some bench marks from some testing sites, or some comment from NVIDIA even.

I had a chance to pick up the x800xl AGP by Gigabye (the heat pipe version with out the fan), for $259. I wish I had bought that card when Newegg had them in stock.

It does make you wonder though, is NVIDIA just not going to put out any AGP cards? The AGP market is ripe for the picking for any kind of upscale card at a decent price. It seems to make no sense for ATI and NVIDIA not to both tap into that market?? Maybe this is just another thing they will force down our throats (pci-e I mean).

I mean, pci will be the next thing (or already is), but there are alot of people who are just not ready to make the purchase of a mobo, cpu, and video card all at the same time. I may have to beg the wife to do just that though, but I hate something forced down my throat.

BadDriver

12-10-2005, 11:23 PM

I am running a 6800GT right now. The bad taste nvidia has put in my mouth by trying to force PCIE on the world might not go away at upgrade time.

I'll wait and see how I feel and what ATI has in the price/performance range I am looking for. If ATI is even close my decision is already made most likely.

If ATI and their partners can continue to offer the older AGP cards and still develop new tech, so could nvidia.

Roadhog

12-11-2005, 12:18 AM

Even the ATI cards (x800Pro/X800XL), or either not available, or they want $300 or more for them right now (when they were $250-$279 about a week ago). I think these guys (NVIDIA/ATI and also online venders), know they have people like me between a rock and a hard spot).

I may have to make my 9500Pro last a few months longer. I think they want to soak every one this Christmas.

I guess I have the option of spending $100 less for a PCI express card of the same performance of the same AGP card, and putting it towards a mobo and cpu, but that idea ticks me off a little. Ebay is a joke, as they are selling used cards for what you can buy a new one for.

I should have moved on an agp card a couple weeks ago, but I was holding out for the 6800GS AGP. Maybe I will get a surprise, and it will show up, but I am starting to smell a rat lol

BadDriver

12-11-2005, 05:50 PM

Roadhog

12-11-2005, 09:29 PM

I hope it shows dude. I ain't holding my breath though.

This is a very bad time to buy computer hardware historically also. The best time seems to be late spring-mid summer. I have no clue as to why that is??

Where did you get that information?? I have never heard that before? By looking at prices, you may just be right!! I do not think I will pay top price for hardware. I was thinking of a video card last year, and then put it off until this year. I may just put it off another year--no way am I going to pay rip-off prices for hardware. One thing about hardware, prices come down sooner or later. Fear is about the only thing I can not play, and I can live with out that game. I was so looking forward to boosting all my frame rates though--bummer!

I notice no posts on any sightings of the 6800GS Agp here either. I had never heard of the Inquirer before, and now have to wonder where they get their information. I can not blame NVIDIA, as they never said any thing about putting out the 6800GS in AGP form.

BadDriver

12-12-2005, 01:54 PM

I didn't get the info anywhere in particular. I am just always on newegg.:D

Over the last 2-3 years I am there almost daily checking prices for someone. I have talked to other people about this, some have noticed the same thing and some disagree.

The holidays= Bogus holiday sales. Marked up and marked back down. You could check immediately after Christmas also. There "should" be stock left over that will need to be unloaded at a discount.

Late spring-mid summer seems to be a slow time for merchants. If you are buying existing tech it is a good time. Now, if there is something just busting the market at that time "my 3700+ 939 for example" it isn't going to be cheap.

I also think tax time has something to do with prices, when people get that tax return they spend it. That means higher prices for a few months.

After mid summer the whole holiday build up starts all over again, a vicious circle.
This in the trend in most retail, not just computer parts. Mid-summer is the best time to buy a car also. This year they started giving everybody "employee pricing" on cars mid summer.

If you need to make a large purchase it seems Americans are tighter with money at that time. Vacations etc.

Just conjecture actually, along with a keen eye on prices for the last few years.

Midknyte

12-12-2005, 02:18 PM

i think you just need to be patient. Look at all the ATI paper launches. Nvidia has done well recently, but that doesn't mean there won't be hiccups.

BadDriver

12-12-2005, 04:54 PM

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/12/08/geforce_6800_gs_agp_spotted/

Something not from the inquirer, there is a buzz on anand also. It is starting to look real as well as soon.

A google today is much better than just a few days ago.

:edit: Another link.

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=316258&cks=PRL

Roadhog

12-12-2005, 05:35 PM

BadDriver or any one

On that last link the price of the 6800GS AGP is :
Our price: £192.00

What is that in American dollars?

Nice finds BadDriver, and thanks for the advice Mid. I was getting a little impatient, and was about to jump on a 6800GT (but at a total cost of $300).

Midknyte

12-12-2005, 06:00 PM

You must be Zen, grasshopper. The flower will bloom only when it is ready....

you can use this site for $ conversions: http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html

192 -> $340

that's not a bargain. hmmm. something is fishy.

Roadhog

12-12-2005, 06:53 PM

LOL Mid

No, that is not a good deal at all. Like you said, something fishy, or they want to get what the market will bear??

Please post if any one hears any more news or reviews. I am starting to think about the 6800GT again for $300 lol

That funny L :D , where is that used?? I do not have one of those on my keyboard lol :eek:

Midknyte

12-12-2005, 07:12 PM

alt+156

doesn't seem to work in FF, but it works in IE.

http://www.tomwilson.com/david/accents/Alt_key_chars.doc

Roadhog

12-12-2005, 08:03 PM

Mid

I was just kidding about the L not working man. I would have no use for it, but did wonder what countries use it. I only wanted to know how much the 6800GS agp is going for at the £192.00 rate (hmmm pasting works ok lol).

At 192 -> $340, $340 is way, way too much for that card here in America (for me any way). Any thing over $225 is too much, since the PCI version was $199 at one time, and can still be had for about $205 I think. Seems the PCI-x version cards are every where. If the agp version does not have a bridge chip, it should be $200-$205, the same as the pci-x version. If it does have a bridge chip, $225-$230 would be a fair price online (IMO).

I kind of wish I could talk the wife into a new 939 socket mobo, and an AMD 64 3700+ (the one with 1 mb cashe), and a $200 pci-x 6800GS. I am conflicted on what to do, so I do nothing?

Crashman

12-13-2005, 12:18 AM

You guys are a bunch of loosers if you're crying that the AGP X800 XT is over $300 and aren't even considering the All-In-Wonder version when it's nearly $100 cheaper.

Why do I say loosers? Because it's common to complain that "I'll never use the TV tuner so why should I pay for it", while not even considering that the version with the TV tuner is CHEAPER!

How many times can I say cheaper? How many times do I have to?

Look, when you go to Newegg and see the X800 XT for $380 and the AIW X800 XT for $280, which do you think is the smarter choice? Of course, if you're stupid, you think the one that cost more is the better card!

So being idiots, you won't believe me when I say that the AIW is just as fast as the non-AIW version. Which is fine with me, blow your cash on something stupid, or cry, either way I let the uninformed know the truth while putting the smackdown on the naysayers.

Roadhog

12-13-2005, 06:29 AM

Crashman

12-13-2005, 12:38 PM

Someone mentioned the standard X800 XL being over $300 while talking about the general lack of AGP card availability. I substituted in the AIW X800 XT because it's a faster version, available for less than $300, and then did something horrible, compared it to the standard X800 XT rather than the slower X800 XL.

The explanation that the AIW X800 XT is faster than any X800 XL while being well under $300 would have strengthened my argument even more. We call this bad writing, yes, but the point still stands.

I'd edit it, but I think this explanation will suffice.

I've actually argued for the cheaper AIW card a few months ago in this and another forum. Anyone who overlooks the faster/cheaper card simply because it offers more features deserves a little playful poking.

You didn't think that was playful? Er, I gotta work on my prose a bit maybe. As far as the hastiness, well, I was trying to get the most impact with the least effort. Please excuse my laziness, but the "lack of class" was intentional.

Roadhog

12-13-2005, 01:42 PM

NP Crash, I was just poking back.

I did check out the aiwx800xt agp. It is onsale today at newegg (stating one day sale only), for $289. I also checked out some benchmarks and it looks to be a real good card.

I would like the 6800GS agp if it is released (if in the $200-$220 area). It is more in my price area. I guess if I have to, I could go the 6800GT or x800xt aiw. The xt looks faster, while the GT has SM3?

The extra speed of the GT or XT (faster then the GT in every bench I have seen), may be wasted on my system (Intel P42.4 OC @ 3.0GHZ). Thus the reason I would prefer a cheaper GS card. This will be the last upgrade for my aging AGP system. The x800xl would be a better match with my cpu. As you pointed out though, the xt aiw IS cheaper.

I am conflicted :D

Crashman

12-13-2005, 01:55 PM

You are conflicted. I am a jelly roll!

Midknyte

12-21-2005, 06:26 PM

Better late than never. XFX and Albatron both announced cards:
http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20171

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=2240

Roadhog

12-21-2005, 06:44 PM

Mid

Wonder how long it will be before it shows up online for sale. I still have not opened my x800xt lol.

Seems they missed the boat on the holiday sales rush?

Midknyte

12-21-2005, 06:52 PM

i still think the x800xt is a better card. from the albatron specs, it sounds like a 6800NU core with 6800GT memory. i recall mention of the NV40 core, so it seems plausible.

Rabbitrunner51

12-24-2005, 08:30 AM

Patience is key here.... your talking about the computer industry..and it always seesm as though they are playing us....

Letssay for example you get a good price on some video card or some other piece of hardware.. I would bet botomdollar the prices for same will fluctuate up and down from your origianal deal.... over the course of a few months..sometimes it just happens in a week..who knows...

When I built my current system I thought I did asgood as can be expected... as i am a smart shopper.. After only three months... I lost $100.00 on my processor...and my memory now is going for less than half of what i paid for it. I did get a good deal on my video card... ( $336.00 retail and I paid $199.00 for it new and it has caused zero problems and i stilluse it and like it alot.

I was and still am thinking about getting a 6800GT..but if i go PCI express..it opens up more offerings...more cards at a lesser price range..and you will be in the present mainstream...and even be ableto upgrade at a lesser cost if desired.

Its just porgress... no conspiracy on Nvidias part I believe... time flies by and before you know it... waht you have is no longer available. Life is so cruel... come on.. its more like we are all so spoiled. There is plenty of offerings out there.. pick one.

The 6800GS is by far the best bang for the buck...but have patience.... they will pop up sooner or later and then godown inprice like everything else...
If you are just ot apatient person thenI wouldopt foranother choice. Most cards out on the high end market are comperable in quality and waht you get for purchase.

Someone Stupid

12-26-2005, 10:30 PM

There are rumors that some companies have to high of a stock of 6800 chips to go to the 6800 GS. The INQ was spouting something about Asus using this as it's reason not to release a GS.

Rabbitrunner51

12-26-2005, 11:13 PM

Someone Stupid

12-27-2005, 03:22 AM

Yeah, I'm very impressed with the board and my 165 as well. It really gave my vid card a whole new life. I was considering selling it before this, but now I dunno. I'm really impressed. Even runs Fear and COD 2 at great settings at 10x7 with some AA - couldn't nearly do that before. Going to have to rebuy FarCry since my last CD is scratched to see how much it really improved since my benches are funny. I'm only pulling 4900 3dmarks (if that), with my old rig it was 5500+ (2.5 ghz barton). Since I know Fear is running markedly better I know it's only the benchmark.

Roadhog

12-27-2005, 04:27 PM

Roadhog

12-27-2005, 04:33 PM

yeah... but if they had a 6800GS avail. in AGP I would getone asmy choice now...

But... later on this week i am ordering that ASRock board and then it opens up options for either ( PCI or AGP )and I like that alot.

While I am at it.... ( another hijack here sorry )... I just ran into my friend upstairs who builds systems for many people and he just built like six of them using the ASRock Sata 2 board and he says its a very good board and he is using one right now himself.... He has a X2 3800+ on one and it flys.... LOL

Rabbit Let me know how that asrock works out. I ordered a x800xt AIW agp for Christmas liked we talked about. Christmas morning, I put it in all smiles. The cooler fan did not work :confused: I RMA'd it this AM. Newegg still has them in stock, at $299 with $30 mail in rebate. I paid $289 for the first one. Thing is it cost me $16 to send it back with the insurance. I just hope the new one I get in a couple days works. I went Fedx, so should have it Thursday.

Midknyte

12-27-2005, 04:38 PM

After all that and it had a bad fan? geez. The price is still sweet, though. Hopefully you can get the rebate too.

The AIW x800xt would still beat the 6800GS or GT at stock speeds.

The 6800GS looks to be based on the NV40 core, so you won't see the insane overclocks like on the native PCIe version. The pricing is high compared to the PCIe version also.

Someone Stupid

12-27-2005, 06:42 PM

That is 05 not 03 scores... while I know it has something to do with either x64 (might be gone soon at this rate) or dual cores messing my score, it still isn't nice to see. It's running everything slower, even if I set affinity. The CPU test become a true joke as it's running slower than before as I can't even pull one frame a second at best, my barton could do that and would occasionally treat me to 2 FPS. I'm getting .5 now for an average and never saw the FPS counter show anything other than a zero with the current build. At least the games play right... so the benchmark is only some curiousity unsatisfied. I need to listen to myself more, benches don't matter, gameplay does. :)

The 165 is a 1.8 GHz dual core socket 939 Opteron w/ 1 meg L2 (at 2.6 now). The board is an Asrock dualSATA 2 and the card after a flash and some cooling is an X800 XT-PE. I was able to approach 6k in 05 with a barton on a stripped down OS, an opteron running 100 MHz faster should have knocked me over it with the increased IPC alone. It's either the DC, the board, or windows x64 - I'm guessing the latter.

Roadhog

12-27-2005, 08:40 PM

Mid I got the $30 rebate, but not by my request, they just said they would give me a refund credit and I needed to re-order. I guess the rebate is nice, it is from ATI, but I hate mail in rebates. They are still showing in step 3 at newegg, but they do not seem to update until the next day lately. I hope to get it Thursday after waiting all this time. Hope this one will be a working version.

SS Seems like someone would have an answer to your problem? BTW, I am not up to date on the 939 Opteron? Fill me in. Would this be that much better then say a 3700+ San Dieago (sp)?? If so by how much and by how much (money and performance). Since you mention DC, how much software takes advantage of that now? Also, just a question on the software part--is their an upgrade for windows, or do you have to buy a new OS?? (that question applies to the 64 bit and DC processors--any one know what the deal is)??

Nice to know that asrock supports the opteron also! I figure to go that route in time depending on what Mid and others report.

Midknyte

12-27-2005, 08:51 PM

It's a relatively new development. I know you started this thread and all, but the boat is going off course. Maybe you should start a new thread or google up 939 opterons instead....

The 939 opterons are SanDiego or Toledo cores also, depending if they are single or dual core. here's an article on the opteron 165 (toledo):
http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=200&page=1

Winxp32 already supports multiple processors; no upgrade purchase necessary. if you wanted to go 64-bit, you would have to buy/upgrade to the 64-bit version, but I don't think it's worth it. Wait for vista if anything.

Someone Stupid

12-28-2005, 12:35 AM

Midknyte's article is a pretty good intro to them. Too bad they don't have the OC results yet.

I'll leave out most of the opteron stuff other than OCing results I've seen on other forums as unless you can find a 165 or 170 for the cost or less of a 3800 X2 (if you can find one at all) it is moot since the 3800's are clocking to 2.4 to 2.6 consistently and the added cache gives you very little overall (nice freebie, but nothing I'm paying AMD's 4200 X2 price for). The opterons seem to be clocking a tad better than that. Same architecture, just cherry picked for enterprise enviroments which means they are picking ones that are testing very well to package as Optys. There are single cores as well, and many with those have been having fun hitting 2.8 GHz on up with little fuss.

As per x64, avoid it. I have a copy installed right now. Most AVs don't work, same with firewalls. It can be done, it just isn't fun. Make sure you have drivers for everything. I have an MS keyboard that works fine, just a few of those value added features are useless because MS hasn't reworked software for x64 (and it came out afterwards to boot). MS databases on compatibility are horribly off or inaccurate. I spent hours trolling for information on forums and googling just to get a system that I'm only happy enough to have up to see how things run. Good old XP is going back on here soon. I was able to find drivers for everything but my MS keyboard in the end, although finding them wasn't easy and not always were expected. I'd only recommend it if you need to address 4+ gigs of ram in a workstation type platform.

Asrock does support opterons, but the max voltage is 1.4 and my board at least undervolts core 0 by .5. The BIOS release that recognizes Optys also for some reason is rumored to disable the vmod (1.55 max). If your going to grab a dual Opty, use a 3rd party BIOS if you intend to overclock else you'll have no real voltage headroom.

As for advantages... going to Cat 5.13 which supports dual cores netted me a few FPS in COD 2 (~5-10%), grabbing the patch for COD 2 for DCs netted me another few FPS (~10%). So after all was said and done, I went from a low of 30-35 to a low of 40. If I had set affinity to one core I lost a couple frames beforehand, don't know about now.

Rabbitrunner51

12-28-2005, 02:43 AM

Hopefully if you got that board... since it hasa PCI express slot.then if indeed the 6800GS was avail..then you could just get that one and use it... which down the road i am going to do..if and when it happens for me...

SS.... a friend updatairs put the idea in my head about going for that X2 3800 and I wouold.. if not for an extra $100.00 of which i'd much rather spend towards a video card upgrade....

As far as i know I am going to order the board and CPU around the end of this wek orthe beginingof next..whenever my payment clears my bank card.

Boy... I am goingto fel as though I have a whole new machine when done...and the FPS should pick up some more and also the 3D mark scores... Interstingto see how 8 channel audio sounds also.... LOL

Someone Stupid

12-28-2005, 06:07 AM

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120339&AFFIL=FRG&NR=1

Opteron 165 for 280 if your interested.

Rabbitrunner51

12-28-2005, 07:48 AM

That seems like a sweet price alright... You probably stated this before or above in this post maybe..but how does this one compare with the 64 3700+ and the X2 3800 ?? Lower GHZ..but that is running like twocores onone chip....so maybe it needs less ?? Can you explain somewhat?

Someone Stupid

12-28-2005, 08:18 AM

The 3700 is one core at 2.2 GHz with 1 meg L2 cache while the 3800 X2 is a 2.0 GHz set of cores with 512K each of L2. The cache doubling should equate to about 10% greater performance but the added core takes enough of a workload off to shave some of that - with new drivers and how patches and games are starting to take advantage of dual core, I can only see these gains start to grow. I'm heavily in favor of the 3800 X2. The X2's are reaching 2.4 to 2.6 quite regularly with little voltage added if any.

Rabbitrunner51

12-28-2005, 03:56 PM

Is it still good forme to get the 3700 then in your opinion...??? Only asking as I trust most of you guys who have used AMD CPU's and know much more... For cost of about $228.00 orso is that going to be a good processor for me in the distant future??

If you could get an Opteron 165 for around $280.00..then that seems like a better all around thing......but you know I play games mostly and not presently doing alot of mutitasking....

Someone Stupid

12-28-2005, 05:20 PM

I'd grab it over the 3700 anyday. I'd grab the 3800 over the 3700 as well mind you, and that is cost considered - so I'm heavily biased towards the Opterons. I hadn't ran an SMP setup in years and I really don't see going back to a single core, no matter how high they are reliably clocking. That's about 3 GHz. The clocks are highly possible on those 144-148 lines it seems. So I traded about 400 MHz for a second core, or 1/6th the processing power in single threaded apps. I'm happy with that trade... A stronger CPU isn't going to help my FPS anymore, my card is the bottleneck easily and when I do upgrade, the CPU still will be quite nice at the speeds it is at. I also do gain some of that back in dual core optimized drivers 5-10% extra FPS and patches are giving me around 10% gains as well on the two that do have it. Oblivion is coded for dual cores, as is the next Unreal Engine. Once Shader Model 4.0 cards come out, I'm upgrading. That should be sometime late 2006 I'd guess. I don't see another refresh after the R580 and G71 before they roll out anything else. That's assuming a proper Vista launch.

Rabbitrunner51

12-29-2005, 12:16 AM

What about the earlier Opterons??? i was trying to get someclues to performance by reading some reviews under these processors at NewEggandmost all are very positive... mostly about oc'ing and all... getting more GHZ out of them.

One Opteron I saw was the 148? with a venus core..... it got real good reviews and specs.....but is it still a dual core..and like you so testified the people who have them swear not ot go back to a normal single core.... he stated he just upped the bus speed to like 255 and it went to 2.8GHZ.
Funny as quite a few were using them on the board I am getting.

It probably shows that I am not overly knowledgeable like most of you guys and kind of feel a bit stupid..but its one of the ways I am learning here.

I'm just a few days from ordering ( possibly saturday )..and its obvious i'm not making this so easy on myself.... it just has to be one that lasts for quite a while and not be too outdated too soon. gaming is what its heavy use would do more than anything else...other then playing music for me. LOL

Roadhog

12-29-2005, 01:51 AM

http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/listConfigurationDetails.jspa?productConfiguration Id=118067

No price though...??

Roadhog

12-29-2005, 02:31 AM

Tell me where I am wrong on this guys. From the last link I posted on the 6800gs agp by xfx. Going by the specs, it would "seem" that this card would be faster.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102608

This is just conversation for me, as I have ordered another model card not listed here.

Rabbitrunner51

12-29-2005, 03:06 AM

Thats a great card also.. nothing wrong with that.... Myself.. i usually trust alot from what others who have it say... and for that price I myself would get it... If i'm not mistaken RH the 6800GS still has only 8 pixel pipelines enabled while the one above is 12. The one above also has more connectors..probably for vivo or TV and if it indeed runs all games maxed out then it must be a winner... if FPS is the only thing your looking at like what most want it seems..then I couldn't tell you on that.
Might try going to some site and glancing at benchmark scores.... LOL

Roadhog

12-29-2005, 04:08 AM

Rabbit

No, they both have 12 pipes (above link to xfx site with specs). The XFX brand was rumored to be over clocked (see link below), but not this model according to site.

For those interested in the 6800gs agp, this thread is hilarious. Good information on the 6800gs AGP with a few recent links, but also these two guys arguing over each others system. Good read if you have the time. It was late, maybe I was easily amused, but thought is was funny:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=1762987&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=1&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Rabbitrunner51

12-29-2005, 06:55 AM

Thats a nice thread there..i was reading about fifty of those posts... it is fun to see others quibbling about... its what makes the world or our PC world evolve I think.

My thing is I am a very analyticaltype person with a high IQ..but I still don't know squat compared to alot of users or nerds who can spell off tech infos by the
handfuls... these forums are how some of us learn things... me esp.
I graduated from a top tech high school..and then went into the serviceandthen got a two year degree...but that was years ago....

I can't understand how that one guys 3DMark scores are not higher than mine.... I thought mine weravg. when in fact mine are high for what i have... close to 9000 and he's got the same shipsetbut a bigger CPU and better HW mostly.

If video cards such as the X850XT can be had for around $250.00 as claimed then thatis what i would get. Not long ago it was the fastest card on the market and that was only less than nine months ago... getting X800XT or Nvidia 6800GT or Ultra is still a good card for AGP....wahtever the bus speeds.
I was so lucky to have bought a good card that to date is not faulty and is as advertised..by one of the better companies i think...EGVA. I've put it through hell and it is like new in performance..

I have as much trouble now trying to decide what CPU to get as a new video card and both tech, pieces of computer HW seemto be driving us all batty tryingto figure out what from what and what to get or not ot get.... The market is playing us like fine fiddles..

But.. we are all so lucky cause.... WE HAVE ALOT OF CHOICES IN MANY DIFFERNT AREAS and thats a very good thing.

I still prefer CRT over a LCD and at one time I thought LCD's were the peaches and cream kind of thing.. i imagine these socalled video wars are alot like that... We all want something bigger better faster whatever..all of the time...
Eveything i play in games and video output with my last generation card looks just as good as any of the newer cards.out..just maybe not the FPS of the latter. LOL

Someone Stupid

12-29-2005, 10:48 AM

The 148 is a single core model. Go to AMDs own site and look it up if you'd like. http://www.amdcompare.com/us%2Den/opteron/Default.aspx

Notice how after you pick Dual core, 144, 146, and 148 are not options. If you pick single core, they are there though. I did look at one on newegg and I did see that it had a cache of 1MB x 2. Don't know what that is about, but your only getting 1MB of cache - AMD will even tell you that. http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/opteron/details.aspx?opn=OSA148BNBOX

You are also hearing complete idiots 9 out of 10 times on a forum, this is probably one of those 9. :)

Rabbitrunner51

12-29-2005, 07:44 PM

yeah.... your absolutely correct.. The earlier models were so to speak just that. At the time they probably competed well whatever single core chips were doig at the timeand maybe even exceeded the current trends for performance and personal use.

I did go to the site and saw that yes they are single core.... The 165 is kind of an odd ball in that it is only 1.8GHZ.. but I guess it overclocks the same as the bigger boys so with the double cache size should be a good performer.

Prices are coming downsome as I knew they would after christmas... The 3700 is now about eight dollars cheaper at NewEgg.. ( nice to cover S & H charges )... but the its still a shame that iifnot for having to use an AGP card. I could just get a good combo and an X2 CPU. Oh Well!

Its just getting harder and harder to make choices in this industry anymore as too many options , while good for the shopper is a quadmire on the brain.
Just have to stick with my origianal plan I guess... unless i want to wait a couple months more and hope I have the dicipline to keep ahold of that money and save some more. ( Save? who can save?? )

On an additonal thought ; What is hardest is not being able to actually test try something out first as it all ends up as speculation to us untill we get to see actual first hand results.. LOL

Someone Stupid

12-30-2005, 12:21 AM

Even if you get a poor overclock on that 165 or an X2 your still going to get a marked improvement in any 6800 or X800, the bigger the card, more the gains show. Sucks to have to get a 70 dollar motherboard as well, but at least it is only 70. I haven't grabbed this good of a deal on a mobo in years. 8rda+ comes to mind.

Rabbitrunner51

12-30-2005, 02:02 AM

I guess if I got the one I am getting..then later decide I want an X2 or higher.. I could sell both of my latter CPU's to fund the cost...

In your opinion... where would be the best place to go to possibly sell my current mobo /CPU combo. Maybe E bay ...but I have never used them so far to buy or sell anything...and if i don't get at least two thirds or close to what its worth new today...then I will probably keep it for maybe a second computer.