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j.m@talk
09-09-2005, 06:05 PM
FUEL protesters have threatened to blockade every refinery in Britain next week unless the government cuts fuel taxes.

In a move raising the spectre of the demonstrations that caused widespread petrol shortages five years ago, ministers have been given a deadline of 6am next Wednesday for the action to start.

The threat has been prompted by soaring prices, which have seen unleaded fuel rising by an average of 7p a litre in two months, to nearly 95p in the UK. However, an increasing number of petrol stations are charging more than £1 a litre.

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Andrew Spence, a farmer and haulier, and spokesman for the Fuel Lobby campaign group, which organised the 2000 protests, issued the threat as prices edged even higher because of disruption caused by Hurricane Katrina.

He said: "We want to see an immediate reduction in taxation to bring fuel prices down or, as of 6am next Wednesday, there won't be a refinery in the country left open. Every refinery will be blockaded."

Hauliers in Scotland, who will today urge MSPs to hold an inquiry into the future of their industry, expressed mixed feelings about the threat.

While some said ill-feeling could quickly escalate into protests, others predicted a more muted reaction, pointing out the latest increases could not be pinned on the government. Some described Mr Spence as "a bit of a firebrand".

Attempts to make fuel a general election issue failed, with only a handful of protests staged in May.

Bryan Harper, a haulier based in Insch, Aberdeenshire, said: "Something needs to happen. The supply network could collapse like a pack of cards, there is so much ill-feeling. However, it is difficult to protest when prices on the world market are causing the problem."

Jim Macauley, the managing director of Cadzow Heavy Haulage in Blantyre, Lanarkshire, said he would not be getting involved, but added: "There are many agitated people. A lot of hotheads out there."

Robbie Burns, a haulier in Broxburn, West Lothian, said: "The chance of the government cutting taxes is slim to none. World oil prices were low for many years and we were paying a lot because the government was taxing us, but world prices are now high."

Phil Flanders, the Scotland and Northern Ireland director of the Road Haulage Association, said he was not aware of any planned protests north of the Border. He said nearly 200 hauliers had protested lawfully outside the Grangemouth refinery before the election, but any blockades would be illegal.

John Roberts, an energy security specialist, said the Fuel Lobby action could produce very serious results, but he agreed there was a major difference between now and 2000.

He said: "Then they had tremendous popular support. This time it is clearer that the high prices are essentially out of the government's control."

Greenpeace said the protesters should accept they must rely less on fossil fuels.

Mark Strutt, a campaigner for the environmental group, welcomed the price rises as helping to reduce the overall consumption of fuel.

The AA Motoring Trust acknowledged that despite soaring fuel prices, the overall cost of motoring was still less than ten years ago thanks to lower car prices and a fall in other running costs in real terms, such as MoT tests.

The fuel price increases are also hitting train operators.

The number of commuters signing up to share cars has doubled in the past three months because of rising fuel costs. Liftshare.com, the UK's largest car-sharing scheme, said it now had more than 12,000 people registered.

The government claimed cutting fuel taxes was not the answer. A spokesman for the Treasury said: "We believe the biggest priority in terms of reducing fuel costs must be working with the American government to restore production levels affected by the Hurricane Katrina disaster, as well as maintaining pressure on OPEC to set their oil production at levels consistent with more stable and sustainable prices.

"More than half the fuel used in the UK bears little or no fuel duty at all, including the red diesel used by farmers like Mr Spence, and the fuel used in industrial production, heating of homes and workplaces, and rail and bus transport, so seeking to address the problem of high oil prices through road fuel duty alone would do nothing for the majority.

"It is worth noting that road fuel duty rates on the main types of petrol and diesel are lower now than they were six years ago and, since then, the main rates of road fuel duty have fallen nearly 12 per cent in real terms, saving the average motorist about 6p per litre every time they fill up."

He added that the Treasury - in light of the volatility in the oil market - took the decision last year not to go ahead with the annual inflation increase in fuel duties, and this year had also delayed the annual increase until it could review the position in the pre-Budget report.

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mireland
09-09-2005, 06:07 PM
oh you poor Brits... :D

j.m@talk
09-09-2005, 06:10 PM
I see trouble ahead :mad:

porsch1909
09-09-2005, 06:18 PM
When 80% of what we pay is duty and the government say they can do nothing to reduce fuel prices....then all you can expect is trouble :mad:

j.m@talk
09-09-2005, 06:19 PM
"SMASH THE PUB UP" :D

mireland
09-09-2005, 06:21 PM
I'd would like to send troops over to help you Brits out..but they are too busy being KILLED in Iraq



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zybch
09-09-2005, 06:51 PM
How can Huricane Katrina have an impact on oil prices when there's bugger all oil where the hurricane hit?

j.m@talk
09-12-2005, 03:13 PM
What in the Gulf of Mehico ? ........... Choo Onnabout ?

cwin
09-12-2005, 04:03 PM
They should start taxing more on fuel guzzling veichles ;)

Maybe they should adjust tax depending on whether you're reasonable with your fuel use... It'd be hard, but they could possibly try to get people to use more economical cars by making it too expensive to run other types...

j.m@talk
09-12-2005, 05:04 PM
They do tax you more on larger engined cars ..... My 2.0L is £180 a year road fund (Who said 2.0L {111.85Kw/0.07 Ft cubed} was big any how?

I think if its under 1.2 you get it for half that :(


:mad:


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cwin
09-12-2005, 05:14 PM
Should get a smaller engine then ;)

Well there's not really a good situation to be in here... they can charge people with bigger engines, but on the other hand, they might have an excuse to have a bigger engine... but at the same time someone might be using their big engine to take them to their corner shop and back 3 times a day to get a pint of milk or a loaf of bread. Probably quicker for em to walk but they drive anyway ;)

They could try to intelligently work out what to charge depending on where you drive and your fuel consumption and stuff, but then they'll need to fit cars with electronics. That'll end up being cracked and people won't be payin the right taxes....


Not really a winning situation here ;) Maybe you should need to justify your purchase of a car if you're buying a big engined one, considering all this global warming stuff is getting a bit bad.

j.m@talk
09-12-2005, 05:24 PM
The reason I went 2.0L at the time was two fold ........ I wanted Auto & Electric everything :rolleyes: Just the Auto ........ I found after looking at 1.2 Etc, auto was utterly useless (Wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding) ........ Plus I was doing a lot of motorway work at the time so having a few Bhp in reserve is allways good ............. Do you see many 1.2 cars around that have been punted up & down the motorways over 50K ? ........ No ......... Cos theyre ferked :(

herosrest
09-12-2005, 05:49 PM
Fuel, petrol in particular is subject to market forces.
Whether that is a good or bad thing - that is the way it is.
If ya want the goodies ya pay the price.

As millions are slowly learning supply & demand is a slippery slope when you require a diminishing resource.This is simply the way it is.
The situation will not improve.

The fuel crisis alluded to for the past 20 years is here. Has been for a while.
Those forcasting this problem did so without knowledge of the current economic expansion of the Chinese economy. As the eastern European nations improve infrastructure further expansionary pressures will follow.

There needs to be a radical adjustment of mindset in those nations able to develop and market alternative fuels. The largest fortune ever - awaits.

The answers are out there but so many vested interests are comitted to the 'oil industry' that nothing will change until disaster strikes.
That disaster will be financial.
It will occur when the inflated world markets collapse trying to sustain an ever increasing oil price. Stock prices will adjust and the established oil wealth will effectively vanish as investment returns and capital prices collapse.

Let the wind blow high.

Have a hoola hoop and dig deep.

Corn is the answer and alchohol the fuel of the future.

j.m@talk
09-12-2005, 05:58 PM
How you make propane ?

herosrest
09-12-2005, 07:35 PM
Walk or eat beans. :cool:


JM. joo got on board pc? Hud? :D

zybch
09-12-2005, 07:36 PM
What in the Gulf of Mehico ? ........... Choo Onnabout ?

I was talking about the middle east you silly sod!
The only whirlwind to hit there has been the innept US military.

j.m@talk
09-12-2005, 07:37 PM
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh