Why Mac?

[zybch]

Who do people actually buy macs these days?
It used to be that they were actually better at stuff than the current plethora of ibm compatible PCs were, but those times are long ago.
Theres virtually not a single app available for Mac which doesn't have an equivalent or better alternative for the PC (ignore the mickey mouse stuff like itunes etc).
They are just big paperweights that won't run the vast majority of available software, but people still buy them.

I know a guy who has run macs for a while and goes out of his way to get others to buy them too, but he shuts up really fast whenever you ask him just how many recent games, multimedia and office apps he can run. He just seems like a bitter old man who wants as many other people in his leaky boat as possible so he feels better for buying a dud.

[Kandar]

IMHO Mac’s are better suited to people swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool. ;)

[zybch]

But why do previously sane people buy macs?

[j.m@talk]

Pretty design ................... "That would look nice on my desk" :t

[zybch]

I realy haven't seen ANY desk that an iMac would look good on. The design is just too wierd and curvy to look at home anywhere other than at the bottom of a swimming pool.

[porsch1909]

I have never understood them. I have a freind who swears by them. He says that he has a 'powermac' which runs windows as it's main OS. so he can use all the windows apps and have the good parts of the mac.

I am pretty happy with a PC, i hate applys anyway :p

[Dennis Bacon]

my brother recent earned his bachelors degree in television produtcion, him and a lot of his associates from the university prefer to use mac over p.c. due to the rendering power and ease of editing with mac software. I know a lot of visual artists prefer mac just because of the pure rendering power the processors have... it makes their work much easier and if the pc is just as powerful they would probably stick with the mac anyways because they're a lot more familiar with the environment and how to use it. I myself have no use for a mac and probably never will but I do understand why some choose to use them still.

[zybch]

I just think that those people who try to 'convert' everyone else to using macs are very unhappy with their own purchases and want everybody else to be as miserable as they are because its too late for them to buy a PC because they've constantly bagged them for so long.
Theres a reason that around 90% of the world uses windows PCs and just over 2-3% use macs.

That old saying "Mysery loves company" rings true an awful lot.

[j.m@talk]

What bout this kinda Mac http://www.warningsigns.info/images/raincoat.jpg :t

[mireland]

What bout this kinda Mac http://www.warningsigns.info/images/raincoat.jpg :t


:rolleyes:

[j.m@talk]

Ya gotta see the funny side O' that :D

[mireland]

Ya gotta see the funny side O' that :D

probably not a big mac, probably is a tiny mac... :p

[zybch]

JM can't help it.
I'm circulating an image of what happened to him with one of his previous cats. It explains a lot.

[zybch]

Although not what he was doing just prior to the attack.

[cwin]

I think the reason people use macs now is the whole Just Works-ness of it.

I know we try to live in this happy world where we imagine XP/Linux/whatever else on x86 Just Works, but the reality is that it doesn't for the vast majority of people. This isn't the OSes fault as such (it is in some cases, but usually not). It's due to the lack of standards following and diversity of hardware. On OS X, most of the system hardware goes through Apple, so they integrate it into their OS properly, and other hardware follows standards (USB, Bluetooth).

My dad, for instance, is getting a powerbook because he wants to do image editing and possibly some film editing... he actually tried both windows and OS X (on a laptop) and found OS X much more intuitive and easy to use.

Powerbooks are nice (including the design.. I like the minimalist-white look ;)). I'd prefer an apple laptop to an apple desktop... you can't really modify a desktop much, and the apple laptops are similarly priced to a high quality x86 laptop. Also the power efficiency seems better and it seems less noisy. The x86 laptop he used was slightly better CPU wise but he found OS X "nippier" (opengl UI?), and the build quality was higher.

Some things he noted

Dock menu vs Start menu
I don't like the dock menu personally, but he liked the way he could just move his mouse to the bottom of the screen and see all the applications he wants to use. He could use quick launchers or whatever, but he doesn't know what they are. He seemed overwhelmed by the start menu. Being more advanced users, we don't tend to notice little small 'problems' such as these.

UI design
He found it overall more intuitive. In Windows there were cases where he would struggle to work out what to do next, but OS X was simple and straightforward.

Just works
There were some warts and bumps with windows, like certain devices needing a reinstall and stuff because the drivers were mysteriously broken. Also, try getting a newbie to configure a network (particluarly wireless) on XP compared to on OS X... the wizard on windows fails miserably most of the time, and their network/wireless configuration dialogs don't seem to have thought about UI design. Also there were a few complications when he tried to plug into my network with windows, probably because I don't use Windows Server 2003, but rather, a gentoo box.
Also note that windows crashed a few times, particularly related to power management, probably due to dodgy drivers, but whatever.

He got spyware while using windows.. several times.
No matter what you want to say in response, e.g. less mac users, he should have paid attention to what he clicked, etc... The fact is, he got spyware. If this changes in the future, I don't know, but currently it's easier to get spyware in windows. Also you don't *really* run as an admin on OS X from an app POV, but running as a Limited User on XP is non-default and quite a bit of stuff won't work.

App Suite
iLife simply is easier to use than Picasa+Windows movie maker+Nero+(Some lesser replacement for Cubase)+WMP, and more integrated. Whilst it may not be as powerful, it did what he wanted it to do.
iWork was enough for his needs, and easier to use than MS Office.
The only application he found difficult to use was photoshop. He said it seemed different to the rest of it, and was more confusing. I've not used photoshop on OS X though, or much on Windows/Linux (my brother uses it on Linux with Wine, but I use The GIMP usually)

Overall he found OS X just easier to use. He felt as though he was using OS X, not the particular application, since it was better integrated. He said Windows was more disjointed.

My dad doesn't want to game, he doesn't want to configure his computer to hell, he doesn't even want to change the fonts or colours or anything. I don't even think he's bothered about the wallpaper or screensaver settings.

I was trying to help him choose between an Apple laptop and a Sony Vaio laptop. Most of my friends have laptops, and so I borrowed a powerbook off one of my friends for a day (he had freshly formatted/installed it with Tiger) and another had bought a sony vaio which was roughly the same as the model my dad was looking at buying.

What it comes down to is: Use what suits you. What needs to be done is for Microsoft, Apple and various OSS devs to communicate more and work on standards, however you know they won't want to.


Oh and just for fun, I find MS Office on OS X better than the windows version ;), but it's apps are by far the buggiest apps I've ever used on OS X. Apps I'd use are: Photoshop, Cubase, iLife, iWork, Firefox or Safari, iChat, XCode, and probably MS Office at some point.

On Linux, desktop apps I use normally are:
Gnome/X/etc, the GIMP, OpenOffice.org, Audacity, Rosegarden, Evolution (email), JACK and stuff, Glade, Anjuta, Firefox, Gaim, f-spot sometimes, Kino and Blender.

Sometimes rhythmbox if i'm in the mood for a big fancy GUI for playing music... quite a lot of the time i'll just use the command line mplayer.

Windows has a lot of apps... I don't use most of them, or find quite a lot of the ones i needed from windows are pointless on Linux, particularly the system-tool (config, AV, spyware removal) like applications. Most of that sort of thing just works or doesn't need user intervention.

Oh, and from a programming perspective... Windows programming is like ABSOLUTE HELL compared to anything else. :eek:


Sorry for the run on post ;)

[cwin]

Oh and just for comparion's sake.. GNOME network config .vs. XP network config


One day I want to do an OS/DE comparison/review thingy featuring performance and all that ;)

[zybch]

In your dad's case its not the OS or the hardware that has led to his final decision. Its the apps. And any easy to use video editing application probably isn't very good. Just look at premiere, its a PITA to use but can do anything you want, the cheaper and less complex apps never really let go of your hand and are greatly limited by what their target audience (dumb ignorant gits) are supposed to do and no more.

Apple controls the hardware and the OS to a high degree, which is a great thing for stability (OSX anyway, prior ones weren't too good), but dreadful for pricing and competition, thats why they have 3% of the market.
And I WILL state the thing about spyware generally ONLY affecting the vast majority of PCs out there simply because macs are so overpriced and underpowered that nobody wants them.
In the end the pricing is what killed mac and why there are so few of them in use. Back in the late 80's early 90's apple had a virtual monopoly in schools and for graphic artists, musicians etc. But they tossed that all out of the window by keeping a death grip on the hardware and who they licensed software too. A death grip it trurned out to be and had virtually killed the mac till Microsoft bailed them out.

Finally, can someone please tell me what is so danm user friendly about dragging your floppy/CD icon to the trash can to eject it?
The apple interface confuses the hell out of most people with stupid things like that which make no logical sense at all. When I drag something into the trash can/recycle bin I expect it to be deleted. So do the vast majority of all computer users.

[ukulele]

As far as the dock memu goes windows has had that as long as I can remember. It's called a quick launch tool bar.

The UI is strictly what you are used to. I fooled around on my neighbors new Mac for a while and didn't like it at all.

Just Works? My PC works great lately. XP has come a long way on reliability.

He got spyware while using windows.. several times. I don't have any problem with that anymore either.

APP Suite... You have to know which apps are good and which aren't, but just about any decent software Mac has to offer is abailable for a PC and as a rule the PC versions have more options.

BTW Photoshop was origionally made for a Mac and works even better on a PC.

As for raw power, It depends on what you have. PC's are just as fast on the top end with the right hardware as Mac well knows too.

[cwin]

In your dad's case its not the OS or the hardware that has led to his final decision. Its the apps.
Not quite. He preferred the feel of OS X and the build quality of the powerbook. I'm not a massive fan of the feel of OS X, but he preferred it. But anyway, the thing is, the applications are what he's going to be using, so they've gotta be good too.

And any easy to use video editing application probably isn't very good. Nope, but my dad doesn't need it to be complex, which is what I'm trying to say. It would be like him getting a blade server.

thats why they have 3% of the market.
Estimates is that they have nearly 10% of the install base in the US though

And I WILL state the thing about spyware generally ONLY affecting the vast majority of PCs out there simply because macs are so overpriced and underpowered that nobody wants them.
You do have to take into account the way the system works too. No system is perfect but windows was badly designed from the start. It's getting better but the whole backwards compatibility thing is what's holding the security back.

Finally, can someone please tell me what is so danm user friendly about dragging your floppy/CD icon to the trash can to eject it?
That's probably one of the worst UI points, and many many people have said it before, but there are bad UI problems on both windows and linux as well. No OS is perfect... hell Start > Shutdown too confuses people... I don't really see what's so confusing about either dragging a CD to trash or Start > Shutdown, they're just little UI quirks.
Just to be fair, Things i don't like about OS X:
· System wide menu bar at the top is for all apps (long way to move mouse)
· Maximise button behaves stupid sometimes
· Anything with the brushed steel theme looks out of place
· I personally prefer a app type categorised menu to the dock and start menu (start menu being organised by application or manufacturer usually)

As far as the dock memu goes windows has had that as long as I can remember. It's called a quick launch tool bar.
Yeah, i mentioned that, but it kind of takes a back seat to the start menu. There are other things that the dock has but the quick launch doesn't (the way it behaves as a task-switcher and all that too). It just seems a more simple way for managing applications, though it does seem as though it's designed for only about 10-15 apps.

Just Works? My PC works great lately. XP has come a long way on reliability.
Just works is referring to the ability to install it to any hardware and plug anything in, and have it work with the very least amount of configuration possible (including drivers, install CDs, etc). You might find it easy to set up now, and so do I (except when my network driver doesn't work for some random reason on Win), but quite a lot of people have trouble with windows hardware support and call on their local geek to help.

He got spyware while using windows.. several times. I don't have any problem with that anymore either.
I don't (generally) have that problem on windows either, but he is a new user, and as it stands he had trouble identifying what was bad and good.

PC versions have more options.
Again, what's the point of getting an application with loads of options when you only use about 1% of them. May as well get a less cluttered application which focuses on the stuff that the average user will use.

Photoshop was origionally made for a Mac and works even better on a PC.
I don't like either, actually. The photoshop UI is horrid on Windows and OS X.

[zybch]

I never 'Start-Shutdown'. I press the power button on the front of my case.

[zybch]

:)

[cwin]

I never 'Start-Shutdown'. I press the power button on the front of my case. I turned that off... i kept kicking it by mistake ;)..



well.. kneeing it

[j.m@talk]

I never 'Start-Shutdown'. I press the power button on the front of my case.

Mines set to "Do Sod all" ........ Too many fingers in this house :mad:

[zybch]

But you're a twit though :rolleyes:

[cwin]

Mines set to "Do Sod all" ........ Too many fingers in this house :mad: Some small kid invited himself into our house during the day while it was unlocked, and decided to go round turning off all our electronic devices.. I was upstairs on my lappy, so I didn't know. :eek:


Now we lock the door in the day too ;)

[j.m@talk]

But you're a twit though :rolleyes:


Trooth Hurtz :(

[zybch]

And sound hertz.

[cwin]

Anyway, there'll probably never be a system that's great for everyone, so maybe we should all start working on just making the various systems as cooperative as possible ;)

Standards rock! Lets just hope MS don't do any of their Embrace & Extend ****, or implement standards in the IE sense ;)

[zybch]

What'd the little bugger turn stuff off for? Getting ready to nick the lot of it probably.
I'd have belted the living poo out of him and kept him prisoner for a couple of weeks, feeding him only on tinned sardines, capers and baking powder.

[cwin]

My grandparents are funny... my grandad thought the internet was just like a newspaper that you got on a computer, and my nan has trouble using the two knobs on our oven...


Yet my grandad still lectures me about how unsafe buying stuff of the internet is.. then he goes and orders out of a catalogue using the telephone... hmm ;)

[j.m@talk]

I'd have belted the living poo out of him

You should be a Nanny :D

[cwin]

What'd the little bugger turn stuff off for? Getting ready to nick the lot of it probably.
I'd have belted the living poo out of him and kept him prisoner for a couple of weeks, feeding him only on tinned sardines, capers and baking powder.
I think there are brain damaged kids round here... one kid runs around naked peeing on cats and stuff...

[j.m@talk]

one kid runs around naked peeing on cats and stuff...

:eek:

Thats enough to start wars in this houshold :)

[zybch]

Nothing wrong with peeing on cats.
Hey, it might make Annalisa smell a bit better.

[cwin]

But where are the parents?



God knows.


There's this family across the road that have like four less than 10 year old kids, and they're always running around the estate into the wee hours of the morning, dressed up as faries and superheros, while their parents, drunk and unconscious, are choking on their own vomit in the garden.

[cwin]

The funny thing is, they live about 4 doors away from a senator (the highest law enforcement here in jersey,.. I think they're the only ones that actually have the legal ability to arrest someone.. there's about 3 per parish, and if another policemen catches someone, they detain them then wait for a senator to turn up ;))

[j.m@talk]

My Mog is a perfect specimin ....... Doesn't stink .............. She's just too cute :D

Ok my room is a bit of a mess at the moment :confused:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/1d27dada8e.jpg

[zybch]

Why don't you call child services (or whatever they are called) when they next get blotto and the kids are tearing around the garden?
That'd learn em'.

[j.m@talk]

She was looking for a comp part for me ;)

[cdroman]

Who do people actually buy macs these days?



Because they want to. It's their money; so why worry about it. Everyone has different tastes and wants. If I had the extra money laying around I would probably get one if for nothing else than it being a good conversation piece. I might even like it; I wouldn't know until I tried one.

[cwin]

http://quicknix.org/myphotos/thumbs/2de28243d1d9f1176ce644ab7219fba4.png (http://quicknix.org/myphotos/galleries/Animals/dsc_0372.jpg)

[zybch]

She was looking for a comp part for me ;)

You silly soft twat.
No wonder you ain't got a girlfriend!

[cwin]

A network admin would probably find windows hard and slackware easy.
A home user would probably find slackware hard and windows easy.

"My OS is better than yours" conversations always end up in people agreeing to disagree because they merely use their systems for different things.

[zybch]

Rubbish.

[cwin]

Rubbish. I find windows hard for what I want to do with it ;)

Eventaully it feels like i'm trying to draw blood from a stone

[zybch]

Easier than using a mac to do anything.

[zybch]

:p

[cwin]

JM probably likes the way the thumbnails appear on all his "My pr0.." ... errr... "My Videos" folders

[cwin]

Easier than using a mac to do anything.
My dad's first reaction to the Microsoft Excel product name

"WTF is an Excel?"

The icon being a green 'E' doesn't help


Why not Microsoft Office Spreadsheet? ;)

[cwin]

OS X is great if you think inside the box.. despite all apple's marketing trying to say otherwise.


Basically if you do what apple want you to do, which is quite limited, though it is what the average user does on their system, then you will find it easier than the more featured and customisable Linux or Windows equiv.

[zybch]

Pipe down you nasty little mac lover :rolleyes:
Don't make me come over there and slap ya!

[cwin]

Pipe down you nasty little mac lover :rolleyes:
Don't make me come over there and slap ya!

You got it all wrong ;)

I don't like using macs particularly.. hell, i don't even have an iPod, I have a creative zen since it was cheaper and sounded better. Also my friends iPods keep breaking :O

The dock menu isn't "my thing".. also I don't like paying for software now that I use Linux.. became a communist hippy ;)

I'm just saying there's a valid reason why one would use one. I'm in support of my dad getting a mac, partially because it means the amount of support i'll need to give him will be a lot lower.

If anything, you have a stable usable UI whilst still being able to do unix stuff on a POSIX compatible system, which suits lots of developers out there ;)

[cwin]

Let it be known that I haven't played a computer game in a few months ;)

[zybch]

Right. I'm getting my slapping boots on, then I might see if I can find my kicking gloves.
That'll learn ya!

[cwin]

Gotta admit that their marketing is something to be proud of though...

http://www.apple.com/isight/

Look at how they make a bog-standard webcam seem like the best thing since sliced bread :eek:

[cwin]

But iSight doesn’t just look good, it makes you look good

False advertisment! Nothing can make me (or zybie) look good! ;)

[zybch]

Sadly true. I smell nicer though.

[cwin]

Sadly true. I smell nicer though.Yeah... webcams don't smell that nice...

[ukulele]

She was looking for a comp part for me ;)

Looks to me like she is piddling on one. :D

[zybch]

Hey, if JM hasn't been able to kill it, a cat doing a wee wee isn't likely to affect it at all.

[Wildstallion_X]

mac's are better because they are WAY more stable. PC's are great..but mac'c are unix based now (more security)...but thats just my opinion...i do prefer pc's

[j.m@talk]

You silly soft twat.
No wonder you ain't got a girlfriend!

Yer pushin it dude ............... :mad:

:t

[j.m@talk]

JM probably likes the way the thumbnails appear on all his "My pr0.." ... errr... "My Videos" folders


I do :-@

[zybch]

Yer pushin it dude ............... :mad:

:t

Well have you got a GF, I mean one without fur and a tail?

[porsch1909]

5 pages in one day.....i am wondering wether it is worth reading them.....well is it?

[cwin]

5 pages in one day.....i am wondering wether it is worth reading them.....well is it?

We got zybie to admit....
I like other men



;)

[zybch]

5 pages in one day.....i am wondering wether it is worth reading them.....well is it?

Go into your User CP and increase the 'posts displayed per page' number up a bit. It'd drive me nuts to only see 20 posts before having to go to the next page.

[porsch1909]

a simple yes would have done :rolleyes:

[zybch]

We got zybie to admit....

"I like other men"
;)

Go back to page 1, and do a search (ctrl-f) for 'men' and look whos posts contain the word 'men' more than everyone elses combined and multiplied by 5...

[zybch]

a simple yes would have done :rolleyes:

Yes

[mireland]

I'm more of a quarter pounder, then a mac man myself... :rolleyes:

[porsch1909]

I got bored......

[zybch]

Like Bush and his woodpecker?

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/154/1144/400/bush_woodpecker.jpg

[mireland]

Like Bush and his woodpecker?

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/154/1144/400/bush_woodpecker.jpg


HA! :D

[whoppingsteps]

I use both OS X and XP with students. When students use computers they manage to do things to cause programs to crash, even though the programs run stable for me.

In Windows, the CTRL ALT Delete, End Now loop can cause you up to two minutes of frustration and lost productivity. Windows XP, for some reason is incapable of shutting down a frozen program in one procedure.

In Mac OS X, OPTION COMMAND Esc brings up a Force Quit menu which allows you to select the program to quit. When you select it, it quits. 100% of the time. The process takes 5 seconds tops.

There are many other reasons I like OS X better. Expose being a big one.
http://www.apple.com/ca/macosx/features/expose/

Regardless of the other reasons I like OS X, the CTRL ALT Delet, End Now hassle is enough of a reason in itself.

Why buy a Mac ? is rarely a hardware decision in my case, it is the operating system.

[zybch]

Well the PCs running XP must be very slow or stuffed to the gills, running applications and processes (all of which will cause ANY PC to crash).

Alt-Crtl-Delete-End Process takes about 5 seconds to succesfully terminate a dicky program on my PC. But thats probably because I don't have 40+ processes running in the first place all wanting their share of limited system resources

As you mention students, I'm guessing that this is a schooltype environment. If thats the case its amazing that any of the PCs even boot up in under 15 minutes if the students act anything like students I've seen recently and activley try to get around any admin placed limitations so they can use limewire etc and download as many viruses, spyware, crapware as they can. Hell, most of the PCs at my local high school have CD drives and PSUs that won't work because the little bastards have removed the rubber belts in side them and jammed pen lids in the fan grills at the rear and cause the PSU to overheat.

Your answer regarding hardware is pretty lame. You can get a PC roughly twice the speck of a mac for around 1/2 the price and with double the warranty.

[cwin]

Argh
Windows just crashed (BSOD) while I was saving a file, and it took the file I was saving to with it... few hours work gone there. Should I be expected to Save As... every time I want to save?

I only usually boot windows to use Cubase SX and Flash, both of which run on OS X (and usually better). I wonder how long it will take for me to save up for and buy an iBook. The 2d performance of Windows is awful, and the 3d performance of OS X isn't very good, but I rarely use 3d...

Admittedly Cubase isn't the most stable of programs in my experience, but I've never had it take down OS X, and it takes down Windows quite a lot.

[zybch]

I've never used those apps, but their stability is probably more to do with the apps themselves being badly written than the OS or hardware they are running on.

[cwin]

I've never used those apps, but their stability is probably more to do with the apps themselves being badly written than the OS or hardware they are running on. The Windows audio driver situation is awful. Linux uses ALSA or OSS (deprecated), OSX uses Coreaudio, but windows has DirectX, ASIO, MME (i think), legacy stuff and some other stuff, and none of the hardware accelerated stuff is particularly stable, as in, any applications using it have the potential to screw up your audio, requiring a restart, or worse, crash your computer.

[zybch]

Again. Its a fault of the software running on windows, rather than windows itself.
Theres nothing to stop HW makers write a stable driver but they simply can't be bothered. I've had drivers run perfectly for years with no hastles, so it can be done. They are just too lazy to do it properly.

[zybch]

Also, you're forgetting that being able to run just about all legacy stuff is one of the key strengths to windows. I can go and run old 8bit DOS apps from 15 years ago if I want. Good luck doing that on a mac.

[cwin]

Again. Its a fault of the software running on windows, rather than windows itself. Usually, but if I am able to do while(1); and hang the computer (as you could in pre-OSX due to lack of preemptive multitasking), I'd consider it the OS's fault. There are a few bugs with Windows itself which can cause apps to misbehave or the audio subsystem to go bonkers, but usually apps work around issues like that. The OS should be resistent to the application faulting anyway. + I've managed to take down a system with Cubase when I wasn't even running as Administrator.

Theres nothing to stop HW makers write a stable driver but they simply can't be bothered. I've had drivers run perfectly for years with no hastles, so it can be done. They are just too lazy to do it properly.
The driver is technically stable, it's just the design of the hardware accelerated audio is flawed, and a misbehaving application can cause locking of the audio driver because the audio driver can't know anything better...
It's a lot harder to crash a Linux box, but OSX contains this one stupid design fault that is fixable, but requires some knowledge. Any application has the ability to gain realtime privileges by default, which means that a naughty application could take down the system by looping.

[zybch]

So, has mac OS finally been fixed so it can dynamically increase the memory available to an application?
Or do you have to change it manually like you used to?

[cwin]

I can go and run old 8bit DOS apps from 15 years ago if I want. Just to be picky, I can run 8bit DOS apps from 15 years ago on linux ;)

Anyway, I don't see excessive backwards compatibility as a good thing.. Even Windows developers see Windows as a heap of ugly spaghetti code.. If you need to run old apps, I don't see why they couldn't leave the functionality outside of the OS, and provide old support libraries/translators/emulators in a toolkit.

[zybch]

But can a Mac do it? :rolleyes:

They peed off an awful lot of people when they changed to Power PC from Motorolla chips and rendered 1/2 of the existing programs unusable.

[j.m@talk]

Jobbs-worth :D

[cwin]

So, has mac OS finally been fixed so it can dynamically increase the memory available to an application?
Or do you have to change it manually like you used to? I'm guessing you mean pre-OSX days.

OSX is a pre-empted multitasking OS with good memory management, since OS 9 and below were old-style cooperative multitasking apps ;) not nice.

[cwin]

But can a Mac do it? :rolleyes:

They peed off an awful lot of people when they changed to Power PC from Motorolla chips and rendered 1/2 of the existing programs unusable.
They're switching to Intel now.. but they've released the stuff to developers so they can recompile their apps for x86 now.

But now you're going to be able to run windows and OS X on the same box, and maybe WINE will be ported over to OS X and you will be able to run Windows apps from inside OS X ;)

[zybch]

But can a mac do it? :rolleyes:

Apple are desperatley trying to make sure that you can only run apple SW on the new macintel boxes.
Good luck to them.

[cwin]

Apple are desperatley trying to make sure that you can only run apple SW on the new macintel boxes.
Good luck to them.I believed they announced that they will not restrict other OSes on these boxes, but rather they will restrict their OS from being installed on generic x86 boxes.

[zybch]

I think they've screwed up regardless.
As soon as they become just another whitebox maker they won't be around much longer unless they have another iPod-like breakthrough.

[cwin]

I think they've screwed up regardless.
As soon as they become just another whitebox maker they won't be around much longer unless they have another iPod-like breakthrough. I dunno,
Windows is cool for a toy OS or a business app desktop,
OS X is cool for media stuff and general home-user word processing and that, but sucks as a business desktop since it really doesn't seem to be designed as an OS that fits into a big network and controllable well by the admin.
Linux is cool as a server or business desktop since you get lots of control over everything, and maybe it will evolve into a nice desktop OS too.

[cwin]

(By toy OS I mean a gaming box ;))

[mireland]

(By toy OS I mean a gaming box ;))


ok, that's enough technical talk in off topic.... :mad:



:D

[zybch]

With the intro of TC and macintel white boxes, linux has at last got a real chance to start grabbing a large market share.
I wonder if the vendors will take this chance or ignore it like they have with every other chance they got given and remain a niche POS OS.

[zybch]

ok, that's enough technical talk in off topic.... :mad:


Thou unmuzzled spur-galled scut!

[cwin]

ok, that's enough technical talk in off topic.... :mad:



:D
But then again, it seems a trend among gay people to use OS X ;)*cough*, so maybe Mireland should use it?

[j.m@talk]

YEAH!................. Dukky

[cwin]

YEAH!................. Dukky
"Fink pink"

[zybch]

But then again, it seems a trend among gay people to use OS X

Really? None of the poofs I know would touch a mac.

[mireland]

But then again, it seems a trend among gay people to use OS X ;)*cough*, so maybe Mireland should use it?


maybe you should go play in traffic... :rolleyes:

[mireland]

Really? None of the poofs I know would touch a mac.

so are you saying YOU won't touch a mac??

[cwin]

Really? None of the poofs I know would touch a mac. Odd, over here everyone i know or even remotely suspect of being 'that way inclined' uses a mac.

[cwin]

so are you saying YOU won't touch a mac??Maybe he is the only gay he knows?

[zybch]

I have a mac in my front room if you must know, but its probably been 6 months since I turned it on.

[j.m@talk]

W00t the "Only Gay In the Village" :eek:

[cwin]

I have a mac in my front room if you must know, but its probably been 6 months since I turned it on. Zybie got excited with all the big bouncing balls at the bottom of the screen, but got annoyed when all the dialers were windows only.

[zybch]

Balls?
Theres only two, and they're well below the bottom of the screen, and aren't near the mac at all when I'm not using it.

[mireland]

Balls?
.


or lack thereof! :D