Windows....Vista?

[ranz699]

Nice name, Bill....whats next WindowsPinto?


http://money.cnn.com/2005/07/22/technology/microsoft_vista/index.htm?cnn=yes

[chubtub]

They really have no new info, just a we named the thing party.

[MJCfromCT]

They should have just called it Longhorn, that sounds so much cooler.

...then again, Windows XP sounds better than code-name 'Whistler' :)

[mireland]

they could of called it PANE. get it? Windows..PANE?? :rolleyes: :D

[leprechaun_40]

they could of called it PANE. get it? Windows..PANE?? :rolleyes: :D

ROTFL :D

I just hope it doesn't have all the Big Brother aspects it's been purported to have, or I'm gonna have to learn Linux :eek:

[zybch]

I don't know about you guys, but I prefer the Longhorn codename.
'Vista' brings back bad memories of IBM NetVista PCs, yuck!

THG (http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050722_110305.html)

[j.m@talk]

Asta La Vista ...................... Gatsey :t

[AllGamer]

it Sounds Horrible! :eek:

[Strawbs]

They could call it windows wiper - it doesn't matter, it'll still sell by the boatload. :rolleyes:

[leprechaun_40]

If it still has all the stuff that has been rumored it should be Windows Big Brother :eek:

[Midknyte]

It sounds like a retirement community in Florida.

[Someone Stupid]

It's shipping stripped down from what I've gathered. Although all the stuff that will make it a real pain (or illegal thanks to the DCMA) to exercise your right of fair use of media (that you bought) will probably be in there from day one. The RIAA and MPAA have been on MS and Intel quite heavily - and evidently have persuaded both that trampling on our fair use is okay because it helps keep studios and labels **** poor business models alive.

Vista - yeah, it is a view. A view of being dictated to and trampled on. That's the only Vista I'm seeing out of all this. An OS that might require a monitor upgrade to work right - cute MS, really cute.

[Cpl_Squirrel]

Darn, I was hoping they'd call it Windows "Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers" Edition. :)

[j.m@talk]

Well if no one buys it ............ The problem will just go away right !

[mireland]

sounds like you have to go through some paperwork to use the silly thing.... :rolleyes:

[ukulele]

Well if no one buys it ............ The problem will just go away right !


You wish, but MS is not going to let that happen. When was the last time you saw Win98 or winme for sale? We will get it forced down our throat like it or not and the intrusive stuff will be spoon fed to us in updates like it or not. You can bet on it.

[Tech^salvager]

Windows Vista, I'll get it when it comes out.

[bubbalou32]

they could of called it PANE. get it? Windows..PANE?? :rolleyes: :D

Then would the next version of Linux be called "PaneKiller"?

[danthemanohhyea]

Then would the next version of Linux be called "PaneKiller"?
HA! That was great..


i think the new name is kinda dumb, it doesnt really sound like a windows name, they should just call it windows 2007 or something like that..

[bob05]

I agree with what was said earlier, Longhorn was a much cooler codename. :t

[ShadeZeRO]

It sounds like a retirement community in Florida.

It IS a retirment company in FL... :rolleyes:

Should somehow send comments to M$ and ask them to keep it as longhorn...its wayy cooler..

[Strawbs]

It IS a retirment company in FL... :rolleyes:

Should somehow send comments to M$ and ask them to keep it as longhorn...its wayy cooler..They're not gonna change back - they created the website & probably printed the leaflets already.

I'll bet by the time everyone's finished installing it on a 20gb drive - Shoehorn would have been a better description. :D

[Mutation]

VISTA=Virus infections spyware trojans adware

[cwin]

Vista doesn't seem that attractive at all...
All the good stuff has either been pushed to blackcomb (Monad, WinFS etc) or will be backported to XP (avalon etc)

What Vista will bring us

A new GUI with massive system requirements, that certianly won't be used in most corporate environments with cheap PCs . (anyway, I think it looks overloaded)
Applications that look more confusing (IE7.. what's with the order of the menu bars?)
A weird new way of organising our files.. it'll be interesting to see how that turns out. Will it be better or more confusing?
A complete change in look and style that would seem pointless for most home users to get used to

And now most people are satisified with XP and don't want to change.. it does what they need to do. People running ME and 98 before had a good reason to go to XP - stability.
If anything we should hope that Vista is less succeptible to viruses and worms than XP, e.g. by being architected to be able to use the computer properly as a limited user, by prompting for admin passwords to do certain tasks.
That's how it works in OS X and on Linux, and none of the people i know who have OSX have ever had a system-wide infection.

[Duke523]

is it me or does vista look alot like mac os???

[cwin]

is it me or does vista look alot like mac os???
I've said that before infact ;)

It looks like a bad ripoff imho..

[leprechaun_40]

I've said that before infact ;)

It looks like a bad ripoff imho..
Well, considering that windows 1, 2, and 3 were ripoffs of the old apple gui, why do you think M$ would change their ( billy gates ) ways? ;)

[Tweb]

Hope all the virus, trojan, malware, adware, spyware an anti-M$ writer will move to vista an leave XP an older M$ OS rest in piece!

What I've been reading in other forums, vista doesn't look good an most wont downgrade to vista :)

[Ol'Tunzafun]

I agree with cwin. There is no real reason to "upgrade". Most of the new security measures are there only to protect Microsoft. It will have to be force-fed to us, and like Uke says, it will be.
I notice that MSN Messenger 7.0 is the last version to run on anything but XP, not because of technical concerns, but in spite of it. An extra bit was put in to prevent it. MSN7.5 beta runs fine on W2K when that bit has been removed with a hex editor; the point being, that this is completely unnecessary. :mad:

[cwin]

Yeah..
Some of the other innovations in Vista


More DRM
Support for secure monitors as mentioned above ;)
OpenGL being piped through DirectX.. resulting in a speed decrease


Anyone seen the requirements for the current Aero Glass?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

Not many people are going to want to devote such a large chunk or resources to basically a window manager.

[Ol'Tunzafun]

Vista - the name induces narcolepsy. I hope I don't hear it when I'm on the freeway. )-| ........ :eek:

[dajogejr]

At this point...it should've been changed from Longhorn to Longtooth...
We might see it by 2007....I don't care if it does say 06...

[Rob R.]

It's shipping stripped down from what I've gathered. Although all the stuff that will make it a real pain (or illegal thanks to the DCMA) to exercise your right of fair use of media (that you bought) will probably be in there from day one. The RIAA and MPAA have been on MS and Intel quite heavily - and evidently have persuaded both that trampling on our fair use is okay because it helps keep studios and labels **** poor business models alive.

Vista - yeah, it is a view. A view of being dictated to and trampled on. That's the only Vista I'm seeing out of all this. An OS that might require a monitor upgrade to work right - cute MS, really cute.

I thought I would slide by this thread as I was pretty excited about Vista. After reading this post I was thrown back a bit and decided to do a little research on the Vista DRM and I have to admit...I am pretty upset now. It appears the RIAA and MPAA arent satisfied with just software solutions and have insisted DRM exist at the hardware level as well. Are you kidding me? This means that for those of us who build PC's will have to match up our DRM-embedded hardware: CPU, motherboard, hard drive, graphics card, sound card, and monitor (yes, we can't use out existing monitors either) to get these things to run this complete POS OS.

Could this be the beginning of the end for Windows dominance? I dont want to start a debate over the ethics behind piracy but Microsoft has taken a stand and it is not on the side of its true customers, the end user. This isnt their fight and they should have just stayed out of it.

Some may say thats a bold statement to say this may be the beginning of the end but lets look at a few things. Consumers of the future, todays youth, are what I would consider proficient with PC's (much more than todays adults) and they account for a very large portion of p2p bandwidth use. These are not folks that needs their hand held on a PC and certainly wouldnt be afraid of switching to another OS. This openness to try new things along with Microsofts moves towards limiting what we can and cant do on our own PC's may open a door for someone else to come along.

Statistics show that most college students today still use p2p over "legal" services simply due to the freedom to do what they want with an MP3 like put it on their mobile player, etc. They even offer no monthly fees to college students for these services and they still choose the MP3 format. I cant blame them to be honest as who wants to pay for something with such limited use?

Speaking of the new generation, maybe we can count on them to straighten all this mess out as they start to take over the business world. As it is right now, this whole thing is a giant mess with hard headed people on both sides that have drawn their lines in the sand and are prepared for war. It doesnt look our generation is going to get this settled.

Well, with that I'm going to stop. This whole post is probably all over the place anyways.. heheh :)

\end rant\

[Rob R.]

I did some more research on the subject and am now unsure of how far this DRM embedded hardware thing goes. Apparently the article that I read was quoting a white paper that may or may not exist. If it were true, there would simply be too many negatives pointed straight at Microsoft which already has its fair share of critics. I guess we will have to wait and see what all this means as more information becomes available on Vista and it's next gen DRM.

[Strawbs]

I posted a lot of what you've just posted a couple of years ago!

I was told I was being "paranoid" & I should "shut up" - so I did.

At the time I was working from home for an international corporation & had no choice as to what OS I used! now I no longer work for that company I have carte blanche to choose which OS I use. I'm just hoping Linux will mature before my copy of XP becomes obsolete.

The problem for Tech Support is this: To solve your customers' problems - you have to have at least a general working knowledge of the OS they use! Some Tech's will have no choice but to upgrade when their client base moves to Vista. The acceptance of the new OS will depend heavily on whether the tech guys can convince their clients that Vista is an expensive honey trap.

Vista may take hold in the business environment in a couple of years, but I can't see it doing so well for home use. It might even be that the remains of XP will become the unofficial "Open Source" Operating System of choice over the next 4 or 5 years, with independant programmers taking over developement of XP when Microsoft attempts to bury it in favour of Vista.

Windows Vista is Palladium (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/06/24/ms_drm_os_retagged_secure/)! More Here (http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/palladium.html).

There's a bonus for someone like me though: "Old" P4 3.6's & AMD 64 3500+'s will be tossed out of office windows to make room for the new hardware required to run Vista - I only need be there to catch a few of 'em before they hit the ground. ;)

[Strawbs]

...
It might even be that the remains of XP will become the unofficial "Open Source" Operating System of choice over the next 4 or 5 years, with independant programmers taking over developement of XP when Microsoft attempts to bury it in favour of Vista.
...This of course will be dependant on how much of Vista's DRM is ported back to XP in Microsofts "Critical Security Updates"! :r

[cwin]

I'm just hoping Linux will mature before my copy of XP becomes obsolete. I'm not sure what your experience with linux is but try a recent version (or even cvs copy) of gnome or kde. It's become so much more mature for the desktop in the last few months. There are a couple of rough edges and depending on what distro you get it might require a bit of setting up to make it work well with hotplugging stuff, but it's certainly on it's way to becoming an easy to use desktop, maybe moreso than XP.

[nk4]

I could argue that distros like ubuntu ARE easier to start using productively than XP for someone who has had no experience with either OS. And hotplugging is already there.

Still ease of use in everyday tasks is not everything. The real problem with linux is the way installation of programs works. This double click to install that exists in windows is simply not there. Packages are great but no good linux user can depend on them entirely. And dependencies are a problem too. So is compatibility among linux distros. You cant just get your fedora rpms and install them on a slackware system and hope they'll work. But you can get your win98 exes you downloaded 3 years ago and install them on a windows xp machine and 99.9% it will work without a hitch. Unfortunately I see no immediate solution to this, unless one or two major distros prevail and the rest dissapear.
Eventually getting round to using tars and compiling from source will be essential, and that could never actually be described as user friendly. At least not when referring to a user base that has been exposed and got used to the windows way and simply want to get things done. Not everyone is a hobbyist and that cannot be held against them.
Just my .02

[cwin]

Eventually getting round to using tars and compiling from source will be essential

Ever seen autopackage? I think that just compiles it and stuff.