Gigantic Gas-Guzzling Limos All the Rage

[j.m@talk]

SOUTH PORTLAND, Maine - In a society where bigger is better, the latest limousine is in a category all its own. The gargantuan Hummer H2 is more than 30 feet long and can seat about 20 people, dwarfing classic limo models. The massive machines are all the rage, from the Viper Room nightclub in Los Angeles to the Salt Water Grille in South Portland.

"They are the 'it' vehicle for the younger crowds," said Sara McLean, publisher of Limousine & Chauffeured Transportation magazine. "We like to refer to the 'under 30s' because that group responds best to trendy, high profile and pomp."

The move toward stretch SUV limos began about six years ago with Ford Excursions, Cadillac Escalades and Lincoln Navigators. The Hummer H2 raised the bar for bling when it rolled onto showroom floors a couple of years ago.

Sales peaked last year and SUV limos remain as popular as ever, McLean said.

In Maine, Lilley's Limousine was first to buy one of the Hummers, which cost $115,000 — nearly twice the cost of a sedan-based limo.

Lilley's Hummer is 32 feet long — double a regular Hummer's length — and it's wide enough to have a center aisle with seating on either side. The result: It can seat up to 20 people. Other versions of the Hummer limo can seat even more.

"It's a beast. It's definitely a beast," said Dan DeCosta, one of the Lilley's owners. Gas mileage also is beastly: 8 miles per gallon.

On a recent night, chauffeur Glenn Davis stood next to the limo while waiting for a prom group to finish dinner at the waterfront Salt Water Grille. The Hummer limo was longer than many of the pleasure boats in Portland Harbor.

Davis, who patiently answers questions from gawkers, admits that getting behind the wheel of this Hummer is special.

"I'm Number One," said Davis. "I get the looks as if to say, 'What is this bad boy doing on the road?'"

Soon enough, the group from Portland's Waynflete School emerged from the restaurant and pulled out digital cameras to get pictures of themselves next to the Hummer. Inside, it became a private rolling disco with strobe lights and flat-screen televisions.

Once the doors closed, the leather-surrounded luxury was hidden to outsiders by tinted windows. The music bumped to the beat of Stevie Wonder.

"It's unique," said Leah Thompson of Freeport, who lobbied 17 friends to split the cost — more than $1,000. "There's something special about it being so big. I love it."

In West Palm Beach, Fla., Eric Salat said the demand for his seven Hummer limos seems insatiable. Limo companies say they get requests not just for weddings and proms, but also for nights on the town and even kindergarten graduations. A Hummer H2 operated by Michael's Limousine in Maine was requested for a funeral.

More than a dozen coach builders across the country produce the SUV- and sedan-based limos. They buy production-line models like the Hummer or Excursion from General Motors or Ford and then stretch them into behemoths.

While they're costly to buy, SUV limos pay dividends to their operators. The average hourly rate for a stretch SUV is $138.86, according to Limousine & Chauffeured Transportation, based in Torrance, Calif. That's more than for the largest sedan-based limos or even motor coaches, according to the magazine's surveys.

Stretch SUVs accounted for 9 percent of new limo purchases last year and now make up 3 percent of the 127,000 limos nationwide, McLean said.

The growth potential is limited, though. Corporate business travelers, who rent most limos, prefer classic models, McLean said.

"It's the group that shows up to the Viper Room with the intent to make a big show and turn heads that likes these more ostentatious limos," she said.

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[zybch]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
Limo companies say they get requests not just for weddings and proms, but also for nights on the town and even kindergarten graduations.

WTF is a kindergarten graduation?!
Talk about elevating and celebrating the mundane and insane.
How the hell can a kid NOT 'pass' kindergarten?

[jediburke]

"more than 30 feet long" wtf do you just keep on going straight. There's no way your making a left or right in that thing.

[porsch1909]

Originally posted by zybch
WTF is a kindergarten graduation?!
Talk about elevating and celebrating the mundane and insane.
How the hell can a kid NOT 'pass' kindergarten?

I think high school graduation is a joke let alone kindergarten....:rolleyes:

[zybch]

Graduating from university is about the only justifiable type of graduation as far as I'm concerned, and even then, it really isn't a big deal.

[CrazyCrusher]

Originally posted by zybch
Graduating from university is about the only justifiable type of graduation as far as I'm concerned, and even then, it really isn't a big deal.
True that is, the cost of it in the US is nothing more than a joke if you ask me, most of the kids over here go to collage because mommy and daddy pay for it, and half them don’t want to be in collage, my friend is a teacher in a pretty up there collage and herself told me that half them are there because there parents forced them to go.

oh and ye kindergarten graduation ALOBS

[mireland]

Originally posted by porsch1909
I think high school graduation is a joke let alone kindergarten....:rolleyes:

is this because you never graduated...???:D

[ukulele]

What the heck, at the rate we are running out of gas we might as well enjoy that too before there is none less. :rolleyes:

[Bovon]

Originally posted by jediburke
"more than 30 feet long" wtf do you just keep on going straight. There's no way your making a left or right in that thing. Yeah there is...some of those really long vehicles have front AND rear steering...turn the front wheel to the left and the rear wheels turn to the right slighty..taking the rear further along the original track, then when the front is headed in the new direction and the steering is returned to normal, so is the rear.

Below is my "toy"..

[Bovon]

Originally posted by zybch
WTF is a kindergarten graduation?!
Talk about elevating and celebrating the mundane and insane.
How the hell can a kid NOT 'pass' kindergarten? Its a parent ego-trip...has nothing to do with the kid...who would much rather be watching TV anyhow.

[tantone]

Originally posted by Bovon
Its a parent ego-trip...has nothing to do with the kid...who would much rather be watching TV anyhow. Exactly. These are the same idiot parents who have those "Bradley: #29 -- Go Gougars" stickers on the backs of their SUV's. My wife and I were just making fun of a few of those yesterday.

[tantone]

Originally posted by CrazyCrusher
True that is, the cost of it in the US is nothing more than a joke if you ask me, most of the kids over here go to collage because mommy and daddy pay for it, and half them don’t want to be in collage, my friend is a teacher in a pretty up there collage and herself told me that half them are there because there parents forced them to go. I don't see anything wrong with forcing your kids to go to school. Do you think kids, from kindergarten on up, actually want to go to school? You do it because you have to, and your parents reinforce that mandate.

Why should that stop with college? Over the past several decades, a college education has become what a high school education used to be--the minimum for a professional job. The graduate degree has become what the college degree was.

When I have kids of a college age, I'll be forcing them to go to college. What 18 year old wouldn't want to live on their own with other 18-year olds while their parents paid for it, and have their only job be to go to class and get good grades?

Part of the problem with our society today, I think, is because somewhere along the way we decided that it was necessary to ask our children what they wanted, and weigh that as part of our decisions about what's best for them. To hell with what your child wants when it comes to certain things--school being one of them.

[j.m@talk]

Have you grown a lil tash recently ? :p

[tantone]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
Have you grown a lil tash recently ? :p Do you mean moustache? Why--wanna ride? :D

[genesound]

:eek:

[j.m@talk]

Tantys new tash

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[porsch1909]

Originally posted by mireland
is this because you never graduated...???:D

The only graduation that we in the UK have is once you have completed a degree course in university AFAIK, maybe some collage courses too. so in that respect since there is no high school graduation where I am....no I haven't graduated......

In the UK it used to be 5% of school leavers went to university. now it is 40% of school leavers go onto university. even an honors degree isn't 'special' enough to get a job for a lot of people. a PhD is what is special now! even a masters is common these days!

[tantone]

Sounds like you need to read up on Hitler some more.

Too many idiots are tossing out Hitler references and comparisons these days. Apparently, enough time has passed from WWII where Hitler's true nature has been greyed out a bit to where there are hundreds of thousands of little Hitler-clones running around--according to people like JM.

In fact, I'm sure Hitler himself would take offense to you comparing him to someone like me. If I spent that long being that purely evil, I wouldn't want it trivialized with a ridiculously uneducated comparison.

[ukulele]

When I have kids of a college age, I'll be forcing them to go to college.

When they are 18 they are adults and will get to make up their own mind. Don't be suprised if they all turn out like Maynard G Krebs. Odds are those kids will be a lot smarter then you. They'll only get half your genes.:-@

[ukulele]

Get used to it Tantone...
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[tantone]

Originally posted by ukulele
When they are 18 they are adults and will get to make up their own mind. You're right. So, to clarify: if they choose not to go to college, then they are choosing no assistance from their parents. They'll be on their own.

An 18 year old with only a HS diploma doesn't have a lot of options when they can't live at home. College is the best choice, and I'd be remiss as a parent to not make my children realize that.

Originally posted by ukulele
Don't be suprised if they all turn out like Maynard G Krebs. Odds are those kids will be a lot smarter then you. They'll only get half your genes.:-@ A lazy, work-fearing beatnik for a child would constitute a failure as a parent. I'd have to beat that out of them. :p As for their intelligence, well, all I can say is that I hope my children surpass me on many fronts. That should be the ultimate hope for any parent. Although, that would still make them 4x as smart as you. Of course you don't exactly set the bar all that high.

[porsch1909]

If your child doesn't want to go to college. If that isn't the child's passion or what the child wants to do then you should respect that and love them as they are.

Then when they realise it might be a good idea you can say those annoying words "I told you so!" then go on from there....


people learn from their mistakes. You force them to go to college then it will most likely be a waste of money because they will either fail or get a rubbish degree. let them see the errors of their way and let them go to college when they realise it may be a good idea might be a better choice.....


But hey it's your future children.:p

[tantone]

Originally posted by porsch1909
If your child doesn't want to go to college. If that isn't the child's passion or what the child wants to do then you should respect that and love them as they are.

Then when they realise it might be a good idea you can say those annoying words "I told you so!" then go on from there....


people learn from their mistakes. You force them to go to college then it will most likely be a waste of money because they will either fail or get a rubbish degree. let them see the errors of their way and let them go to college when they realise it may be a good idea might be a better choice.....


But hey it's your future children.:p You instill the need of an education in them so that, while they may wish they could do something else, they choose college.

Never said I wouldn't love them. I just said I wouldn't support them.

You're right that people learn from their mistakes. It's only the idiots who try the "Let me make my own mistakes then" line. The smart ones realize that you're much better off NOT making the same mistake someone else did.

EDIT:
I'm not going to play with the future success of my children just so that I can say "I told you so" when they finally figure it out on their own. I'm sure someone can learn how to tie their shoes on their own too, but life's much easier when someone teaches you how to do it early on.

I'd rather my kids hated me until their early 20's with a college degree and a future than have them worship me with a GED and a paper route.

[ukulele]

Scheme all you want but in the end destiny and fate will be the deciding factors. The smarter approach is to ask your kids what they want in life and what makes them happy not yourself. Then help them achieve their goals not yours. After all, happiness and enjoying life is what it's all about. Most kids just aren't going to excel in business anyway and will just end up a tired and miserable cog in the gears. Money isn't everything and if you brainwash your children into thinking it is then you are the one who must bear the guilt in the end if they fail from choosing a profession that they had no feelings for in the first place. People that think they can force their children to follow their beliefs and goals are ignorant fools.

[tantone]

I don't care what career path they take in the end. But a college degree is the foundation that futures are built on these days. That's just the way it is. Get them to that point and then drop the reigns.

So many jobs today require degrees that never used to in the past. Having that piece of paper, even if it's in *GASP* liberal arts, will open doors that otherwise would remain closed.

It is a parents job to provide a foundation. Where they go from there is up to them, and they can build their lives toward their own definition of success.

Commitment is one of the major keys to success, regardless of where you apply it. Finishing college shows more commitment than the peer who didn't go.

[mireland]

..better yet, don't have kids......I like simple solutions! :D

[ukulele]

*GASP* liberal arts,

What on earth are you babbling on about now? FYI...A Liberal Arts degree in college has nothing to do with liberals in politics. In fact, it's probably the best degree you can hold for advancing to higher education in any field. Do your kids a favor and let them decide what to learn. With your limited knowledge and one sided ideology they are destined to fail.

[tantone]

Originally posted by ukulele
What on earth are you babbling on about now? FYI...A Liberal Arts degree in college has nothing to do with liberals in politics. In fact, it's probably the best degree you can hold for advancing to higher education in any field. Do your kids a favor and let them decide what to learn. With your limited knowledge and one sided ideology they are destined to fail. Not all degrees are created equal.

Liberal arts best to advance?? No way.

[mireland]

they're at it again folks...:rolleyes:

[ukulele]

If you get at least an AA in Liberal Arts before advancing to any other field you will already have the majority of the core requirements you need for any other degree. Furthermore, you can get a much more rounded education in any field if you learn history, art, social sciences and reading/writing skills first. It is a well established fact that high school is simply not doing a good job of that anymore. Look how many students end up with mediocre grades just because they lack the experience in reading and writing skills that history essays and civics reports force you to do. There is an added advantage of having an AA in liberal arts along with a Bachelor of Science should you choose a technical degree. It is much easier to get advanced into management of any company that is primarily hiring you for your technical skills. If you ever intend to get into a career that requires some creative skills it is a big help. You tend to see everything with blinders on Tantone. You are so convinced that you are always right about everything that over look the obvious at every step of the way. An engineer that lacks skills in art is just a bean counter in the end. He will never be considered as anymore unless he furthers his education in art. A computer technician can make good money only as long as he is still needed by someone else, but a good graphics artist will be in demand even if they have to create their own work. Do your kids a favor, let them follow their own skills and pursue their dreams. If that means letting them be a rock musician or or a peace corp volunteer or a plumber or a slot mechanic, so what? Do you want them to end up like you in a 8 x 10 cubicle storing and sorting data for millionaires so they can stay millionaires for the rest of your life?

[tantone]

Originally posted by ukulele
If you get at least an AA in Liberal Arts before advancing to any other field you will already have the majority of the core requirements you need for any other degree. Furthermore, you can get a much more rounded education in any field if you learn history, art, social sciences and reading/writing skills first. It is a well established fact that high school is simply not doing a good job of that anymore. Look how many students end up with mediocre grades just because they lack the experience in reading and writing skills that history essays and civics reports force you to do. There is an added advantage of having an AA in liberal arts along with a Bachelor of Science should you choose a technical degree. It is much easier to get advanced into management of any company that is primarily hiring you for your technical skills. If you ever intend to get into a career that requires some creative skills it is a big help. You tend to see everything with blinders on Tantone. You are so convinced that you are always right about everything that over look the obvious at every step of the way. An engineer that lacks skills in art is just a bean counter in the end. He will never be considered as anymore unless he furthers his education in art. A computer technician can make good money only as long as he is still needed by someone else, but a good graphics artist will be in demand even if they have to create their own work. Do your kids a favor, let them follow their own skills and pursue their dreams. If that means letting them be a rock musician or or a peace corp volunteer or a plumber or a slot mechanic, so what? Do you want them to end up like you in a 8 x 10 cubicle storing and sorting data for millionaires so they can stay millionaires for the rest of your life? 1st of all, an Associates degree is a faux-degree. It's a stepping stone to make slackers feel better about half an education. It gives them a place to quit halfway through and say, "I have a degree" when they don't.

2nd, the basic classes are the same for all degrees. History, English, Government, math, etc. That well-rounded part you're talking about is already part of the standard college curriculum. For some, the arsty stuff is taken for requirement before taking on the real meat of their degree. For others, the math/science is done reluctantly because it's needed to finish a degree. It's not until the 2nd half of college--i.e. post AA--where you actually start taking classes that aren't easy enough for a trained monkey to pass.

Artist vs engineer? To be fair, both are needed. Let's use that BMW motorcycle you have. Someone with creativity and artistic ability came up with the design that appeals to people and, without them, a pile of parts just doesn't appeal to people. The engineers took that and made it a reality, then made sure that the pile of parts, now neatly packaged, would appeal to the buyers in it's peformance and ability.

As for the cubicle part, sorting data. If you follow your own logic, I should be thrilled, as long as that made them happy.:t

[ukulele]

1st of all, an Associates degree is a faux-degree. It's a stepping stone to make slackers feel better about half an education. It gives them a place to quit halfway through and say, "I have a degree" when they don't.

It sounds to me like you are the one that "don't". It is a stepping stone, you got that part right. It's great for students that are not yet sure for what they really want or students that want to go into arts or education. It is not the same as a four year degree and was never labled as one. If you went to college you would have known that.

[mireland]

aren't they just cute folks??? :rolleyes:

[ukulele]

Originally posted by mireland
aren't they just cute folks??? :rolleyes:

:t

[tantone]

Originally posted by ukulele
It sounds to me like you are the one that "don't". It is a stepping stone, you got that part right. It's great for students that are not yet sure for what they really want or students that want to go into arts or education. It is not the same as a four year degree and was never labled as one. If you went to college you would have known that. Most 4yr universities aren't geared toward earning AA/AS's. You find those at community colleges, or DeVry.

If you had college experience at a real 4yr university, you'd know that. :t

[zybch]

Originally posted by mireland
they're at it again folks...:rolleyes:

I feel I should be joining in, but I guess I'm allready responsible for changing this from a thread about gus guzzlers to irrelevant education stuff.
My work here has allready been done.

[ukulele]

Originally posted by zybch
I feel I should be joining in, but I guess I'm allready responsible for changing this from a thread about gus guzzlers to irrelevant education stuff.
My work here has allready been done.

You're not missing much. It's like talking to a wall anyway. I'm beginning to think he never graduated highschool and is just blowing smoke if you know what I mean.;)

[genesound]

Originally posted by zybch
I feel I should be joining in, but I guess I'm already responsible for changing this from a thread about gus :eek: guzzlers to irrelevant education stuff.
My work here has already been done. That's almost indicative of the heart of the problem. Work. Education is not work. You can't replace work with higher education. You can only hope to allude to it. Why do you think so many of the most successful men in history barely finished school if at all???

Me grandpappy always said "Don't let yer schoolin' interfere wiv yer education", it was a quote from Will Rogers.

Society's reliance on the notion that mere education will rule the roost may just be it's downfalling. There is no substitution for experience. It's the reason why I can barely get a day off and the young guys that have spent a fortune on education are inhaling roosters for a job.

:t

[zybch]

Each to their own I guess. Lots of people all in complete aggreement would be a terrible sight to behold.

However, I for one don't believe that most degrees are worth the price of the paper they are printed on.
Ones success in life is far more to do with:
1 - Hard work
2 - Who you and your parents know
3 - How much much money they have

Generaly you only need 2 of those 3 things.
Just look at George W Bush. Which 2 things does he have? :p

[ukulele]

Originally posted by genesound
You can't replace work with higher education. You can only hope to allude to it. :t

I think that's true if you work with your hands, but you really need the math to be an engineer or the language and reading skills to be a doctor. On the other hand, the lack of a well rounded education could severely limit anyone who specializes. Accounting is a good example. Did you ever meet an accountant that knew how to do anything else. Computer programming is another potential dead end job. If you burnout you have no skills at all to fall back on.

I just went back to school last year but not just to get a shingle. The paper means nothing to anyone but a potential employer. I want to learn how to do something different. The University System in Hawaii is different then a lot of other states. I take classes at the junior colleges and the University at Hilo here. My classes are all internet based and online so the campus is irrelevant. The only difference is the price and courses available. Only a fool pays 3 or 4 times as much for a course offered at the University if that same course is offered at the CC. It's all the same credits no matter where you got them. For example I enrolled in English 225 which is technical writing. The CC price is $147. The same course at the UH is $650. Nobody is going to convince me that the UH course is better because one look at the course description shows me it is exactly the same course. There is no lectures so even the teacher is irrelevant. In the end my bachelors degree has to be issued by the UH. The Community Colleges don't offer it. As for a resume, it looks better with two degrees no matter what some one else thinks.

[genesound]

Originally posted by zybch
Each to their own I guess. Lots of people all in complete aggreement would be a terrible sight to behold.

However, I for one don't believe that most degrees are worth the price of the paper they are printed on.
Ones success in life is far more to do with:
1 - Hard work
2 - Who you and your parents know
3 - How much much money they have

Generaly you only need 2 of those 3 things.
Just look at George W Bush. Which 2 things does he have? :p Umm... 2 and 3 are much the same... we need a different 3rd like "what can you hold over someone's head" :cool:

[genesound]

Originally posted by ukulele
I think that's true if you work with your hands, but you really need the math to be an engineer or the language and reading skills to be a doctor. On the other hand, the lack of a well rounded education could severely limit anyone who specializes. Accounting is a good example. Did you ever meet an accountant that knew how to do anything else. Computer programming is another potential dead end job. If you burnout you have no skills at all to fall back on.

I just went back to school last year but not just to get a shingle. The paper means nothing to anyone but a potential employer. I want to learn how to do something different. The University System in Hawaii is different then a lot of other states. I take classes at the junior colleges and the University at Hilo here. My classes are all internet based and online so the campus is irrelevant. The only difference is the price and courses available. Only a fool pays 3 or 4 times as much for a course offered at the University if that same course is offered at the CC. It's all the same credits no matter where you got them. For example I enrolled in English 225 which is technical writing. The CC price is $147. The same course at the UH is $650. Nobody is going to convince me that the UH course is better because one look at the course description shows me it is exactly the same course. There is no lectures so even the teacher is irrelevant. In the end my bachelors degree has to be issued by the UH. The Community Colleges don't offer it. As for a resume, it looks better with two degrees no matter what some one else thinks.

I'm glad you can do that, make no mistake. My position doesn't really give me that luxury. I'd love to direct, be it in episodic TV or reality, or hell, a game show. But I can't step back to the uphill grind of the ladder in that arena. And I'm a very qualified video and audio engineer, with credits from the ground up. No amount of schooling would help. If I was a fair actor with looks, that'd prolly be different. :rolleyes: But I'm not done yet. ;)

[zybch]

I'm about to commence a corespondance/net based course as well. Only a fool will pay the normal in-campus costs if they have a decent net connection.
Of course, the opportunities of social drinking and getting stoned are smaller, but you can do both those things in your own home without looking like a complete twit in front of other people.

[genesound]

Originally posted by zybch
I'm about to commence a corespondance/net based course as well. Only a fool will pay the normal in-campus costs if they have a decent net connection.
Of course, the opportunities of social drinking and getting stoned are smaller, but you can do both those things in your own home without looking like a complete twit in front of other people. Ohell I just love that. Hello! We'll do it to their backs or sides then... Meanwhile, I'm splitting my sides :D

All that aside, my industry is pretty one on one. I'm lookin' :x

[genesound]

BTW, me'ole lead guitarist just rang me up :cool: Seems he want's to get soma da yaya's out :cool: Me 2 :D

[werz]

Get kickin then, yer never to old t' rock n roll

[genesound]

Yep :D I'm off to pick up a new rig... been meanin to fer awhile. This will be fun!!! :t

I loved Entwhistle :D

[genesound]

Originally posted by genesound
Yep :D I'm off to pick up a new rig... been meanin to fer awhile. This will be fun!!! :t

I loved Entwhistle :D Well... as a mentor. Never met 'im sadly :(

But I can be good as old in 2 weeks, no wait, much better than new... Gotta few new tricks up my leg. I toured wiv da bess since den :t

[zybch]

Getting back to stupidly innefficient vehicles for a moment, I just sat down and watched the 1st Robocop film, and one of the parody car advertisments in the movie was for the 6000-SUX.
One of its specifications was 8.2 mles per gallon, freakishly close to the 32-foot hummer's 8mpg at the beginning of this thread :)

I guess even back in '87 such a pathetic mpg was thought to be absolutley insane and that nobody would buy such a piece of crappola with such dreadful economy.
We can often look back at older movies and see imagined tech that is now a reality, but its rare for such stupid things to have come to pass.
My favourite is probably the special energy efficient glass seen in the 2nd naked gun movie, with the insulating properties of 10 normal sheets of glass (of course its 10 times as think as regular glass). You can now buy stuff thats almost as thick, laminated plastic and glass layers, and you guessed it, its almost 10 times the price as normal glass as well :p

[j.m@talk]

I'm gonna have a look around, the real JUMBO sized suv's are rare here, however there are a few yankee ones about ....... I wanna hire one for a weekend & blop around in it ............ Its gonna be a couple O hundred quid in petrol tho :rolleyes:

Umm ......... maybe when I got more quids :t

Yukon Denali XL 6.0L (31 gallons)
:rolleyes: 117.3 Litres @ 83.3ppl ..... Bout £98 ($178.86) ...... Geebers I wonder what MPG I'll get :confused:

[porsch1909]

I quite like the saab 9-7 you guys get over there. nice big 5.3L engine in it.

only £25000 as well! It's a bargain. with that you could get a saab 9-3 over here only :(

[j.m@talk]

http://www.babez.de/saab/97x/newtitel.jpg

Thats a lot of Saab for 25K :eek:

[porsch1909]

they have a 9-2x over there too....


here it is just eh 9-3 and 9-5 and their respective estates (or wagon as the americans would call them)

[j.m@talk]

Call it what you like bit the JM Mobile on full aircon & his mom at the wheel does 70 miles on a tenner :eek:

83.4p a litre & 70.1 miles :(

Thats pruddy crappona ................


Somone do the math :rolleyes: