Australian state to ban 'killing machine' dogs

[j.m@talk]

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Pit bull terriers, Japanese tosas and other "killing machine" dogs will be banned in Australia's most populous state after a spate of brutal attacks, state officials said.

"A pit bull is a killing machine on a leash and too often someone ends up in an emergency ward after an encounter with one of these dogs," New South Wales Premier Bob Carr said.

New laws will prohibit the sale, acquisition, breeding or giving away of pit bull terriers, American pit bulls, Japanese tosas, Argentinian fighting dogs and Brazilian fighting dogs. The ban is expected to take effect from June or July.

Current owners of the breeds must have their dogs desexed, Carr said in a statement received Wednesday. "We want to see these dangerous creatures bred out of existence."

The New South Wales ban matches last year's ban on pit bulls by the Canadian province of Ontario.

Pit bull terriers, a cross between a bull dog and terrier, were historically used for dog fighting and hunting because of their aggression and strength.

There are already bans on importing the five breeds into Australia and owners must be over 18 years of age and keep the dogs in secure enclosures. There are about 3,300 dogs of restricted breeds registered in New South Wales state.

Last week, a five-year boy suffered head and arm injuries when he was mauled by a pit bull on the way home from school and a 75-year-old man was attacked by two pit bulls as he walked along a footpath in the western suburbs of Sydney.

American Pit Bull Association spokesman Colin Muir said the ban was unfair and the government should be targeting irresponsible owners. "It's a form of canine genocide. There is no question about that," Muir told Australian television.

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals in Australia welcomed the ban but warned the restrictions might create an underground trade in the dog breeds.

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[genesound]

Alert the conservationists :)

[Someone Stupid]

My friend has a Pit that is friendlier than a Lab. She listens, can be walked without a leash. Never barks, bites, tears up anything (other than from her constantly wagging tail). I'm more scared of one of them little taco bell dogs than that Pit. The taco bell dog will give me a headache, the other one will listen and never makes a noise.

I'm sure there are plenty of attacks by other dogs as well, just those are generally regarded as cute and cuddly, so those attacks are deemed rare or some other term to make it seem like it never happens. I'm sure 2/3rds or so are from those "killer" dogs, but that doesn't exempt the other one third because they are cute. Or do we apply laws to a pet's cuteness just as we would to someone's wallet (at least in the US)?

And no, I'm not some conservationist - ask tantone if you missed that horrible thread we got ourselves into.

[porsch1909]

Which thread...:confused:

[tantone]

Yeah, I get mired down in some doozies! I couldn't even tell you which thread it was.

I agree with Mr Stupid :p Pit Bull terriers are violent because they're raised to be violent. If you raise a pit bull in a good home where fighting other dogs (or people) to the death isn't a lesson you teach, that dog will grow up to be just fine.

Aus should be banning the idiots who train them to be like that.

[gringo]

Banning the idiots would be the best option, but unfortunately there are always idiots the will still try to bring up a dog which they cannot keep under control, even if it's illegal.

Here in Holland these type of dogs are "in", and recently certain breeds where banned. Some are only available if they come from official breeders which can guarantee the dogs have full pedigree's etc.

These laws where brought in for the same reason, too many attacks by dogs.

It's a shame that the dog is the victim, when all it is doing is following it's natural instincts.

[zybch]

A dogs upbringing is probably what gives them their violent or passive natures, however certain breeds are more disposed to going 'monkey poo' than others.

I personally think that dogs shouldn't be alowed in resedential environments. More often than not they are not excercised or stimulated (mentally thank you JM) anywhere near enough and this leads to destructive and noisy behaviour.
Ban the lot of them as far as I care!
Everyone should have goldfish instead.

[ukulele]

Does this mean no more Zybby? :D

Apparently the Aussies know less about raising dogs and children then the Hawaiians do. Spot is a pit bull and is actually one of the smartest and best behaved dogs I ever owned. He does like to hunt pigs but he would never bite a human. A lot of my neighbors own pit bulls too and none are as dangerous as the average puntin' dog.

[zybch]

Would you rather be savaged by a large pit bull that went nuts, or a terrier?

All dogs have the capacity for ripping off a child's face, but some dog breeds seem to do it on a far more regular basis than others.

When was the last time you saw a poodle on the news after it ripped off its owners and his elderly neighbour's faces?
Now when was the last time you heard about a doberman or pit bull doing it.
Certain breeds are simply more prone to violence than others, and even though they are well behaved the majority of the time it means nothing.

[ukulele]

Certain breeds are simply more prone to violence than others, and even though they are well behaved the majority of the time it means nothing.

I don't believe that for a minute. What makes a dog mean is chaining them up or fencing them in. People in suburban environments should be banned from owning dogs that can not be kept indoors. There is no more mindless breed of human then one who chains up an animal for show. What else do they want them for?

[zybch]

I say again, when was the last time you ever heard of a poodle mauling someone?
When was the last time you heard of a pit bull doing the same?

[tantone]

We also have to look at the human factor. When I was a kid, I was taught how to approach a dog properly. If I got bit and wasn't following the rules, my parents would have said, "See? What did I tell you?"

If a dog feels threatened, it will react in some way. Even nice dogs, if they feel threatened enough, will bite someone.

Now, mauling someone is totally different. That's upbringing and socialization.

[DozerLYP]

i don't care much about pit bull, and Taz doesn't care much about them ether.

my friend had a 6 y/o small female pit (Milka) and a 2 1/2 y/o big male (Bruno). the male was with the female since he was 8 weeks old. he was a very nice dog, my friend had 3 kids and was taking he's male pit every where he when, the dog was very friendly. one day the 2 dogs were playing in he's back yard, while he was at work, and the male wanted the ball the female had, then the male in front of my friend's kids, jumped on the female and started to tear her apart. not only he killed her but after, he was dragging her dead body across the yard. the wife called him to come home, but he couldn't leave work. so he called he's brother to go kill the male pit. the brother told him he couldn't kill him, because he couldn't believe this nice dog would of done something like that. well when he got there and saw what the male had done the female, he didn't think about it twice, he shot him 4 time with a 45 before the dog fall the the ground...

my point is; they are killing machine, this is what they were made for, and it doesn't matter how you raise them, at any moment, the can just snap and do what they were made for, Killing...

and Taz use to be a good friend of Bruno. but now after hearing the story, don't even want to see an other pit bull again...

http://img15.echo.cx/img15/1928/tazandbruno3ft.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[ukulele]

but now after hearing the story, don't even want to see an other pit bull again...

Looks like you keep a Rottweiler. They are worse, but just try to tell that to a Rotty owner. Like I said, you keep them chained up and fenced in and any dog can get mean. The worst biters in the world are beagles, but when it comes to fatalities no single breed of dog is any worse then another, In fact the odds of being killed by another human is much, much greater.

Get educated, it's free... http://www.fataldogattacks.com/

[Someone Stupid]

My friend's gf owns a 6th or 7th generation pit bred for friendliness and obedience. It even listens to me, gets along well with her cats, and can be walked without a leash as it listens so well. She acts more like a lab on X than a pit bull, she's just to happy.

[zybch]

For the time being, but one day, one day...

[gringo]

At the end of the day, a dog is still an animal with animal instincts.

I recently got a new dog which is a cross between labrador and berner sennen. These are two very easy going breeds, so a perfect combination. I was discussing this fact with the trainer at the dog school with regards to the fact that when my dog is playing with the children he has a tendency to playfully bite the children. his reply was very simple, a dog does not play. It is always trying do find it's place in the rankings, to see who is in charge.

It will see by the reaction of a dog, child, adult etc wether they are afraid or in charge of the situation. If it feels it has a higher ranking than a child it will use this to it's advantage.

Bringing a puppy/dog up properly definitely improves the charachter of any dog, but they will always have a hunting instinct, that is why nearly all dogs chase cats, birds, rabbits etc. it is their instinct, and if a dog feel threatened or is tired of being pulled about by a child etc it will react to it.

The biggest problem with many dog owners is that they don't realize the time required to bring and train a dog properly. It's not just a lovely soft fluffy puppy, it's almost as much work as a child.

It's not a fashion accessory or a statement that you're tough (as in most cases with pit bulls) they are living creatures with a will of their own.

[zybch]

Originally posted by gringo
The biggest problem with many dog owners is that they don't realize the time required to bring and train a dog properly. It's not just a lovely soft fluffy puppy, it's almost as much work as a child.

Nothing could be as hard as bringing up a child properly, unless you're a great big bear with stomach problems.

I think a lot of people forget that a dog isn't just for christmas.
They can be eaten at easter as well.

[gringo]

Most Korean resaurants serve them all year round.

[gringo]

http://achachichou.free.fr/salade2/HOTDOG.jpg


Maybe a bit of mustard to go with it.

[DozerLYP]

or just send all the killing machine puppy to asia. at least they are going to be used to feed the ppl...:D

http://img233.echo.cx/img233/2163/hungry28et.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[gringo]

I always find that the hairs get stuck between my teeth if they are not skinned properly.

[tantone]

Eating animals, unless it's a life and death situation, that have been bred for domestication as pets is wrong.

[fishybawb]

Unless that pet's a pig, and you REALLY want some bacon.

[ukulele]

Originally posted by tantone
Eating animals, unless it's a life and death situation, that have been bred for domestication as pets is wrong.

Friggin' do gooders. They take all the fun out of raising rabbits. :mad:

[tantone]

If I want rabbit, I go to a restaurant or buy in from the local market. Tends not to be Fluffy from next door.

Although, being in TX and working with a bunch of Texas A&M grads, there are quite a few people with kids in FFA. One of them just shipped a steer down to have slaughtered...one that they raised. 'Course, it wasn't raised as a pet but rather a farm animal.

[ukulele]

If I want rabbit, I go to a restaurant or buy in from the local market. Tends not to be Fluffy from next door.

Typical attitude of a city dwelling, know-it-all, yuppy do gooder. You'll eat it if it's raised in a 1 foot by 1 foot cell with 10,000 other movement restricted crop rabbits along with your force fed goose livers and motion restricted massaged Kolbi veil Parmesion, but you think raising an animal meant for consumption in the backyard with a normal life is disgusting. You are a sick, brainwashed little person if that is really your viewpoint.

I am sure glad I'm a country boy and never let that rot destroy my brain. I raised livestock many times and never once ate an unhappy mistreated animal.

[tantone]

Raising livestock for consumption isn't raising a domesticated pet, then eating it.

You're just an angry little pot-smoker.

And for health code reasons, you can't raise, let along slaughter, certain animals in cities.

Edit:
And limiting the use of those muscles makes for better meat. :t

Why are you so angry? You don't see a distinction between animals raised for slaughter and domesticated animals raised as pets? If that makes me a do-gooder, fine. At least I'm not a vegan, PETA-member who thinks KFC is inhumane.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by ukulele
yuppy do gooder.

Oath :p

[ukulele]

Originally posted by tantone
Raising livestock for consumption isn't raising a domesticated pet, then eating it.

You're just an angry little pot-smoker.

And for health code reasons, you can't raise, let along slaughter, certain animals in cities.

Screw you, you moron. I don't smoke pot or anything else for that matter.

[j.m@talk]

Titter titter :p

[tantone]

LMAO! Judging by your anger, you might want to try some pot.

And weren't you the one who said you were hitchhiking through TX a long time ago with marijuana? I might have misread that. So I'll take back the pot-smoker part until I find the post.

[j.m@talk]

The 10 bobs are getting angry :rolleyes:

[tantone]

Considering it was 1971, and I was a hippie then, it was probably their upbringing, that and the fact they had the worst weed in the country. -ukelele

Edit:
I'm not angry. He's cracking me up. Makes for an entertaining Friday.

[j.m@talk]

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[tantone]

Looks like you got a hold of some bad weed too. :D

[j.m@talk]

I don't go down that street any more ....... I'd inhale, eat most substances at one time :(

[ukulele]

Originally posted by tantone
LMAO! Judging by your anger, you might want to try some pot.

And weren't you the one who said you were hitchhiking through TX a long time ago with marijuana? I might have misread that. So I'll take back the pot-smoker part until I find the post.

No, what I said was the Texas cops are like they are because their pot is so bad. That's probably your problem too. You need drugs to make it day to day in Texas. I don't do any dugs. None, zero, nada. I never get sick, not even a cold more then once every few years. I don't need an escape where I live and with my life style. I don't even drink beer anymore much less the hard stuff. You city people are so stressed out about everything you just don't get it. You need to go spend some money and get drunk for a quick fix. Just don't ever give up hope that you can someday get out of that hell hole. You just have to put one foot in front of the other. I did. I grew up in LA. I even worked once as a resident managed of a 125 unit condo project in Honolulu, so trust me I know all about city rats.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
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:rolleyes:

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
:rolleyes:

did you just roll your eyes at yourself??? :p

[j.m@talk]

I'm allways playing wiv .............. Well yas knows :D

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
I'm allways playing wiv .............. Well yas knows :D

yourself? :eek:

[tantone]

Originally posted by ukulele
No, what I said was the Texas cops are like they are because their pot is so bad. That's probably your problem too. You need drugs to make it day to day in Texas. I don't do any dugs. None, zero, nada. I never get sick, not even a cold more then once every few years. I don't need an escape where I live and with my life style. I don't even drink beer anymore much less the hard stuff. You city people are so stressed out about everything you just don't get it. You need to go spend some money and get drunk for a quick fix. Just don't ever give up hope that you can someday get out of that hell hole. You just have to put one foot in front of the other. I did. I grew up in LA. I even worked once as a resident managed of a 125 unit condo project in Honolulu, so trust me I know all about city rats. Such hostility to all people who live or work in the city. Sounds like you got burned at some point, somehow, by someone and now you're just hostile and angry and bitter.

Honestly, it sounds like you hate everything...oh, except meat and Hawaii.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by tantone
Honestly, it sounds like you hate everything...

Yas could be related :t

[tantone]

Dad?

Nah, I don't hate everything. Just extreme liberals.

[ukulele]

Nah, I don't hate everything. Just extreme liberals.

You really are uneducated. Now the yuppy yappers are all Republicans and the independantly employed home owners are all liberals? Did you finish high school? You yuppies will say anything to keep up with the Jones. The whole lot of you wouldn't know a liberal from a conservative if they wore a neon sign. Now the people trying to conserve the forests are tree hugging liberals and the clowns tearing them up with their SUVs and chopping them up for particle board and plastic shovels are conservatives. The brilliant geniuses that take our national resources and make million dollar bombs so they can blow something up are conservatives and the ones who oppose deficite spending and would wrather spend the money to clean up our waste dumps and turn our rivers back into drinking water are liberals. I swear this country is raising a herd of mindless cattle that believe anything and will swear an oath to anyone just so they can be part of the good old boys. I don't like cities because I don't like filth, traffic, noise and pollution, and now you think I hate everything? I suggest you get your head out of your you know what before it's too late. As for me, the only thing I hate is ignorance.

[j.m@talk]

You guys need to learn how to get along :)

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
You guys need to learn how to get along :)


yea! :-@ and make up.......:rolleyes:

[tantone]

:D You are an extremely rude and insulting creature. But I'll chalk that up to your upbringing and the fact that you used to be a hippy, oh and also possibly that you don't get much real human contact or interaction--except for these forums--living so far away from the city you hate.

The Yuppie part is pretty funny. You know nothing about me, but you know that I'm a yuppie how?

The rest is pretty humorous too. I'm not a conservative, nor am I a liberal. Paint away though.

If you're happy and content in your world, then why are you so hostile about everything? I have strong opinions, but I don't ever recall telling someone here "screw you, you moron."

You need to learn to debate, even heatedly, without direct, childish, immature outbursts and insults.

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
You guys need to learn how to get along :)


JM finally says something worth quoting..:D

[ukulele]

If you're happy and content in your world, then why are you so hostile about everything? I have strong opinions, but I don't ever recall telling someone here "screw you, you moron."

You want to call me a dope head. I'll call you anything I please, you mouthy moron.

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
You guys need to learn how to get along :)

[ukulele]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
You guys need to learn how to get along :)

I have to agree with you JM and Mireland, but I don't care much for fools who try and debate with insults and ignorance. I took debating class in school too and in fact was the team captain, not because I was better at muck throwing or dumb comments when the opponents made a valid point. In fact when it comes to pissin' matches I could knock him down so small that if he was gas, it wouldn't be enough to run a pissant's minibike around the inside of a Cheerio. :D

[zybch]

Originally posted by ukulele
I have to agree with you JM and Mireland, but I don't care much for fools who try and debate with insults and ignorance. I took debating class in school too and in fact was the team captain, not because I was better at muck throwing or dumb comments when the opponents made a valid point.

Where is Billforce anyway?

[porsch1909]

Originally posted by zybch
Where is Billforce anyway?

I think he gave up on us all a long time ago :p