Bush Wins ! Phewy on that...

[Rabbitrunner51]

I'm not going to say alot here about this as I mainly just wanted to start a thread and see what everyones views or attitudes are about the outcome of the election....

Basicly, I am bummed.....very simple.

The Democrats gave the ole Republican crony machine a real race for their money...and I beleive this next four years will be the Republicans last for awhile after they see how totally messed up the national debt will get and the whole middle east fiasco just getting worse and not better....

I am very dissapointed in people in general across this great country of ours,at how blind and passive so many are to the real plight and state of affairs and just in wanting to stay the course.

The middle class and below are just going to keep getting more screwed and taken to the bankruptcy court ,while thier conterparts high and moral mighty bosses tend to their sheep and get fat off thier so called moral ambiguitities and hypocracy.

Stay the course my whatever...

Now i have to look at that mug for another four years and hear all the vanities and lies,while everybodies pocket is getting picked and programs and the good things are cut her and there for the sake of...who knows what....

My state of Oregon voted about 80 percent for Kerry so i can be proud of that at least... and no... we are not backward in any way if anyone has not been here or lived here.

I could go on, but I already said enough and could speak about this whole thing alot more......

Who let the dogs out....woof woof...;)

[Baddog]

Originally posted by Rabbitrunner51

Who let the dogs out....woof woof...;)

Somebody call.:D

[Steve R Jones]

And there's not a dry eye in the house:x

[j.m@talk]

Nice Pikki I thought :)
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:t

[mireland]

Originally posted by Baddog
Somebody call.:D

do me a favor will ya Baddog..please lift a leg on gw bush..thanks..:cool:

[Cyan]

All I've got to say...

*twitch*

This was a painful election, but Utah won "Democratic" seats, I say "democratic" because the "democrats" in utah seem to be watered down republicans.

[Billforce]

Actually I think Uke had the right idea....the election is over, now unite and make a better America.

[mireland]

Originally posted by Billforce
Actually I think Uke had the right idea....the election is over, now unite and make a better America.


I'll unite as soon as he brings all troops home from Iraq...:mad:

[porsch1909]

Its a bloody farce!!!

i know im not american but i thought you guys where intelligent and had more common sense. again i ask the question what has bush actually done right in the last four years?!?! please tell me some things. yes its much easier to say what he has done wrong isnt it. i personally think it was a fix. but im a cynic arent i. ill probably get done for slander now.

[BadBadNeil]

the only issue about this election is not the iraq war as much as foreigners would like to think so. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the voters, perhaps they just see something in him that you either ignore or know nothing about.

[Cyan]

Originally posted by BadBadNeil
the only issue about this election is not the iraq war as much as foreigners would like to think so. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the voters, perhaps they just see something in him that you either ignore or know nothing about.

really?

From what I hear, they like him because he Does what he says and means what he says.

The problem I have with this is he also does what he believes. As a philosophical thinker (while bush is NOT) I have a large problem with this.

[porsch1909]

Originally posted by BadBadNeil
the only issue about this election is not the iraq war as much as foreigners would like to think so. It has nothing to do with the intelligence of the voters, perhaps they just see something in him that you either ignore or know nothing about.

the election in britain has been covered to a huge extent. all the debates and speeches have been aired on TV....no matter how boring they are; nonetheless they are all pretty relevent to the whole world. the american presidential election is really the only election that affects the whole world.

and again i ask the question what bush has done right in the last four year and willl he do anything right in the next 4. luckily he cant do any more than 4.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by porsch1909
i ask the question what bush has done right in the last four years. And will he do anything right in the next 4, fortunately he cant do any more than 4.

Dum Dum

[porsch1909]

This thread could loom for all eternaty of people thinking of americans thinking....yeh what has he done right. then thinking why did we vote him back.....oops too late.

[genesound]

I don't think anybody really likes Bush all that much, it's just that the Dems really blew it. Lurch can't take a stand and stick to it, his record proves it for his whole life. Progressive city folks seemed ok with that, but the heartland nixed him big time. The US as a whole is very different than Silicon Valley, New York, Los Angeles or Boston. The big issue isn't really just the President, but it's the hugely Republican hill that he now has. The next election in 2 years will be interesting.

[genesound]

The Democrats gave the ole Republican crony machine a real race for their money Actually I don't think so at all. I think they bungled it bigtime and lost huge influence in national politics. Next time maybe they'll promote some real issues with somebody that is believeable and has some character, and not just try to tear down the opposition. The Dems lost vastly :p

[porsch1909]

Originally posted by genesound
I don't think anybody really likes Bush all that much, it's just that the Dems really blew it. Lurch can't take a stand and stick to it, his record proves it for his whole life. Progressive city folks seemed ok with that, but the heartland nixed him big time. The US as a whole is very different than Silicon Valley, New York, Los Angeles or Boston. The big issue isn't really just the President, but it's the hugely Republican hill that he now has. The next election in 2 years will be interesting.

what you mean in two years. is that a difference election; that is not the presidential election.

i get where your going with the lesser of two evils thing though. i thought lurch was the lesser of two evils. but he is a gracious loser though.

[werz]

Originally posted by genesound
Actually I don't think so at all. I think they bungled it bigtime and lost huge influence in national politics. Next time maybe they'll promote some real issues with somebody that is believeable and has some character, and not just try to tear down the opposition. The Dems lost vastly :p

tear down the opposition you say, all I saw was Bush and the Republican party try to smear Kerry for every imagineable thing the could, I didn't see GWB say anything about the benefit his previous 4 years had been to the American people, why didn't he campaign on that, instead of smear and outright lies about Kerry's character, it was the worst and lowest campaign by any politician I have seen or heard, and the time spent on Kerry's war record, which Bush's aparatchiks sponsered and promoted instead of anything Bush may have done in a positive way for you all.
and I'm still waiting to read something positive he has done for you and America as porsch keeps asking you to tell us.

[genesound]

Originally posted by porsch1909
what you mean in two years. is that a difference election; that is not the presidential election...
Yeah, the House of Representatives and the Senate. The Democrats lost a bunch of seats in the Senate this time. Various Senators are elected every two years for six year terms. The Republicans now have even greater control of both houses.

[Rabbitrunner51]

kerry lost the election for these reasons as given by the whole media from differing sources.....

1. It was said that people could not identify with Kerry..

2. One of the leading reasons given was a that a real large chunk of morality voters , those who have families and put religious principles first, voted in great numbers for the republicans.In regards to that, one could see that Bush carried all the midwest and southern states.

3. The Democrats were counting very heavily on the young people getting out and voting and I agree that a majority most likely would have given Kerry a big lift.
The reality is that only 18 percent of them did vote...and that is totally disgusting and very dissappointing to me as well as the whole issue at large.

Kerry did a good job as far as I am concerned...and for all the uphill fight they as a party had to overcome and deal with ..I still think they did an outstanding job overall....

What..???They don't think that democrats care about spirtitual or religious things...come on....its just that they do not favor much the ideals of hypocracy and the ways of the spindoctors...

[genesound]

Yeah, the media makes me nutz, like they never saw a Democrat in church.

I think it's more like the people said let's not get off the horse in the middle of the river so close to the waterfall, and let's get some more horses in there.

[Rabbitrunner51]

Good answer..... you said it like it is....:eek: ;)

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by genesound
Yeah, the media makes me nutz,

Sphericalls

Ya were nuts B4 :p

[Rabbitrunner51]

The logic in war is always to add more horses or whatever..but the real issue is and was ...why did we go in there and open up this can of worms and I guess in a metaphorical way its like once you taste the bitter fruit ,you are hooked...like some sick drug that sucks you in.

No matter how many times our country or any other tries to learn from the mistakes of the past ,we still do it all over again and still use sorry and misguided reasoning for doing so.... sad..

My neighbor two doors down who was a friend of mine ..finally was sent over there with his National Guard unit and wasn't there for even one month when he got killed in action
His real duty titile was cook,by the way..and he also received training for use in the machine guns that sit atop the humvees...
he traveled down this road and field mine blew him up....
Those humvees are just coffin boxes with almost no armour whatsoever...and its just another case of stupididty in this whole scenario...

The last war that was justified to me was WW2 ,and even in that war we waited till it was only absolutely necessary...but looking back i beleive we should have gone in earlier...

He said today in his news confernece that he was going to stqay the course...which means to me that a pipe dream of moral right in the affair will go on and on and not really ever acheive what he intends...

My fear is that he will continue to be inflexible and not open to reason or change in assessing the affairs at home or abroad.
He has more power now from the senate and plans to use it for whatever his agenda is...no backing down and that just scares me to death.....

Right wing..just got more right of center and i for one am basicly a moderate who tends to stay in the middle on most issues.....

[Billforce]

Originally posted by genesound
Actually I don't think so at all. I think they bungled it bigtime and lost huge influence in national politics. Next time maybe they'll promote some real issues with somebody that is believeable and has some character, and not just try to tear down the opposition. The Dems lost vastly :p

If you consider losing by over a 3 million vote margine, then I guess you could say they are totally out of step with the American people. Bush won by the largest MARGINE in history...not simply because there were more people voting but he WON overwhelmingly. The only Democrat that really has a handle on the Dems situation is Zell Miller who actually promoted Bush because of the decline of values by the Democratic party.
If a 3 million vote edge and an electoral college MAJOR majority isn't a mandate, then there is no such thing. The Left is simply going to have to realign their values to the thinking of the general public or they will become PERENNIALY extinct.
THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN!

P.S.....the Democrats OUTSPENT the Republicans by a factor of 4 to 1. Cubic money doesn't always win, HEH Mr. Soros?

[BadDriver]

Originally posted by werz
tear down the opposition you say, all I saw was Bush and the Republican party try to smear Kerry for every imagineable thing the could, I didn't see GWB say anything about the benefit his previous 4 years had been to the American people, why didn't he campaign on that, instead of smear and outright lies about Kerry's character, it was the worst and lowest campaign by any politician I have seen or heard, and the time spent on Kerry's war record, which Bush's aparatchiks sponsered and promoted instead of anything Bush may have done in a positive way for you all.
and I'm still waiting to read something positive he has done for you and America as porsch keeps asking you to tell us.

It isn't so much what Bush has done for us but more what Kerry has done to us.

He come home from Vietnam after his 4 month tour with scratches and called the rest of the vets murderers and war criminals. He claimed that he took part in atrocities himself.

Veterans vote in big numbers. Veterans also never forget what happened even though some would like to.

I think the veteran and military vote is what doomed Kerry. He never had a chance with those 2 groups. He has voted against every military spending issue for his entire career.

He voted to send troops to Iraq and then claimed he didn't?? He voted for the war and then claimed he didn't think it would happen?? He flipped his opinion to suit who he was talking to. He went behind the back of the US government to meet with communist leaders at the height of the cold war. It didn't take long to figure he couldn't be trusted.

If the democratic party wanted the white house they should have sent an American to run for it. John Kerry isn't an American IMHO.

[DozerLYP]

it looks like there's a big party going on here. let me get some more beer...
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[Rabbitrunner51]

I just do not get the whole idea of a mandate.....

What does that do..?,give them a key to the whole country and beyond..??

3 million votes may seem like alot but i still think that winning 51 percent to 49 percent is not that huge of an overwhelming victory.

One small city here in the Us has that many people so if you spread it evenly all across the country...it is only a small mandate at best....

That is just what i mean...republicans are all about power and how to best abuse that power. Reminds me of a dictatorship more than anything....

I am into fairness for all,and I will say it again: The needs of the one do not outshine the needs of the many..

The people of the great ( or not so graet) state of Ohio put morality ahead of the basic down to earth needs for jobs. What does that tell you?

Its ok as history has shown ..,whenever a republican gets into office and even re-elected for an additional four years...the peole eventually wake up and smell the roses...as slow as they are.

Funny as if the bible thumpers should learn that even in the bible pride is said not be worth anything and one should throw it away and be humble.

FDR and Teddy Roosevelt where are you..??

[zybch]

Originally posted by Billforce
Actually I think Uke had the right idea....the election is over, now unite and make a better America.

I'm not trying to bait anyone with this, but I'm not sure bush will be able to unite america. Just look at how close the election actually was.
What he is successfully doing is uniting the rest of the world against the US, or so it seems, especially nations that don't have christianity as their dominant religion.
The whole 'Axis of Evil' statement was sheer political stupidity.
After the massive ammount of support for america after 9/11, bush has systematicaly alienated one country after another, all for no apparent good (or rather legitimate) reason.
Hopefully america will start waking up to this some time soon.

[zybch]

Originally posted by BadDriver
It isn't so much what Bush has done for us but more what Kerry has done to us.

He come home from Vietnam after his 4 month tour with scratches and called the rest of the vets murderers and war criminals. He claimed that he took part in atrocities himself.

Veterans vote in big numbers. Veterans also never forget what happened even though some would like to.

I think the veteran and military vote is what doomed Kerry. He never had a chance with those 2 groups. He has voted against every military spending issue for his entire career.

He voted to send troops to Iraq and then claimed he didn't?? He voted for the war and then claimed he didn't think it would happen?? He flipped his opinion to suit who he was talking to. He went behind the back of the US government to meet with communist leaders at the height of the cold war. It didn't take long to figure he couldn't be trusted.

If the democratic party wanted the white house they should have sent an American to run for it. John Kerry isn't an American IMHO.

Its these comments that confuse most non-americans.
The worst Kerry did recently was to believe Bush about WMDs. It was this trust that led to all his so called 'flip flops' since 9/11.
He might have only received scratches in Vietnam, but at least he actually went, he wasn't even drafted.
Bush just got daddy to pull some strings so he wouldn't have to go.
Talk about a good example comming from a 'war president'!
Trying to avoid fighting for your country is far more 'not american', than fighting for your country but later protesting against it after seeing 1st hand the real horrors of war.

[zybch]

Originally posted by Billforce
Bush won by the largest MARGINE in history...not simply because there were more people voting but he WON overwhelmingly.

I looked this up and Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916.

[genesound]

Originally posted by zybch
I looked this up and Bush's victory was the NARROWEST win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916. You mean by percentage perhaps?

What I read was it was the greatest number of votes for a presidental canditate, without consideration for margin, ever.

It is remarkable however, since he was a minority choice in 2000.

What's even more remarkable is how the Senate exploded with new Republican seats.

[Rabbitrunner51]

According to some good news insight from one of the major stations ( NBC I think ), political anaylists said it all began with Reagan, after his second term and the Repulicans have been on a roll ever since..gradually picking up house seats and pull in the political arena....

Its not so much that I hate all republicans per se, but that I wish they would be more truthful and quit spinning such webs of deceit and blind optomism.
What they usually end up doing is spin the web and fill the air with mesmerizing spam and get people into thinking they are doing whats best for the country....
What americans should know is that when they say agenda ( cliche word there also ), they mean whats in THEIR best interest and their pocketbooks... and..let me state that there is nothing wrong with being rich and successful, its just that more often than not it clouds any good persons judgement and objectivity.

And of course he got the most vots of any president when you take into account the population today is much larger than any time yesterday....dah... another spin doctor foolerism...don't you think?;)

[zybch]

Originally posted by genesound
You mean by percentage perhaps?

What I read was it was the greatest number of votes for a presidental canditate, without consideration for margin, ever.

It is remarkable however, since he was a minority choice in 2000.

What's even more remarkable is how the Senate exploded with new Republican seats.

The most votes, but the slimest margin. Simply because so many people voted. Really, that means nothing if the margin is as slim as it was.

[Billforce]

I don´t see how you lefties can try to SPIN the fact that Bush´s popular vote count was in excess of 3 million votes over Lurch. No percentages or squat OVER 3 MILLION VOTE ADVANTAGE OVER KERRY! Now try to spin that TREE HUGGERS!

More than Reagan, Clinton, Carter, ALL of them.......get it? Over 3 million vote advantage If you consider population growth, 3 million is STILL 3 million. Now I will repeat so you slow thing lefties can absorb.....3 million vote advantage.

[zybch]

Originally posted by Billforce
I don´t see how you lefties can try to SPIN the fact that Bush´s popular vote count was in excess of 3 million votes over Lurch. No percentages or squat OVER 3 MILLION VOTE ADVANTAGE OVER KERRY! Now try to spin that TREE HUGGERS!

More than Reagan, Clinton, Carter, ALL of them.......get it? Over 3 million vote advantage If you consider population growth, 3 million is STILL 3 million. Now I will repeat so you slow thing lefties can absorb.....3 million vote advantage.

I don't understand where you are comming from. Compared to last time, kerry got millions more votes than Gore did as well.
Why, simply because so many people voted. I cannot understand how you don't seem to get this.

More voters, so more votes got cast. Its simple schoolkid maths.

Increase the sample size but leave the actual precentages alone and BOTH sides get way more votes, but the percentages DON'T change.

[mireland]

Originally posted by Billforce
I don´t see how you lefties can try to SPIN the fact that Bush´s popular vote count was in excess of 3 million votes over Lurch. No percentages or squat OVER 3 MILLION VOTE ADVANTAGE OVER KERRY! Now try to spin that TREE HUGGERS!

More than Reagan, Clinton, Carter, ALL of them.......get it? Over 3 million vote advantage If you consider population growth, 3 million is STILL 3 million. Now I will repeat so you slow thing lefties can absorb.....3 million vote advantage.


ok, so there's 3 million STUPID people that live in this country..:-@