Hi, I got my video card last tuesday and it will be usen on a machine that im buiding (buying parts everytime i can, getting close, but is not together yet) but i decided to test it in my current computer, and after taking it off, i was a little bit able to feel it a bit too hot, first time i have a high end video card.
so my question is how to i cool it down?
http://images10.newegg.com/productimage/14-102-268-05.JPG
Thats how my card looks like, i got samsung 425 ram, and i believe is a r350, have not taken the heatsink off yet, until i find it really necesary to upgrade the cooling, i remember reading about these cards getting really hot.
any help will be really appreciated.
hopefully the cooling device that i need, will be availabel at newegg
RockNRoll
09-02-2004, 10:52 PM
That's why I don't reccomend ATI. They're known to run hot and overheat easily.
Now someone reccomended a cooling device... Lemme find it.:)
this is what you would want...the best card cooler.
RockNRoll
09-02-2004, 11:03 PM
Yeh that's the one.
CrazyCrusher
09-02-2004, 11:13 PM
well this would be the one to get right now, it gives better cooling becuase of the copper base for the core, its a little better than the Arctic cooler, which I have now and love it, but I will be soon getting this ATI cooler 3.
thanks guys for the fast reply, as i said im buying my pc parts as i can, so hopefully in no more than 2 weeks i will have the whole thing together.
since i now remember reading about this card getting hot, i was always thinking about getting the first option that was posted by forgiveforget click here (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-186-110&depa=0) because i see that theres more people that have bought that.
another question, by buying that, do i have to take off the current heatsink and fan? or leave them there and put that device on top.
second question, can in overclock this card then?
the samsung 425 is the number that i saw writen in the outsite.
any help will be welcomed , and to everyone that has helped already thank you very much.
mobo57
09-04-2004, 12:49 PM
Any of the Arctic Cooler solutions will be the best. I get 452/756 out of my 9800 pro, R350 core, with the AC Silencer rev 3. Great solution. ALso use AIDA32 to identify your core. Some of the latest 9800 pros are shipping with the 360 core, a tuned down 9800 XT so to speak.
elmace
09-19-2004, 09:31 PM
I finally got the artic cooling rev 3 and i want to know if you guys can recommend me a link to a site that shows me how to install this thing to the card hopefully with pictures, and also a website with tutorials of how to put a pc together, because this is my first computer that i make and i do not want to screw it up, has been taking me a long time to buythis parts.
As i said before hopefully a website with a tutorial and pictures.
Just to remind you im pretty sure that i do not want to overclock this pc yet until i know that it is stable, then im pretty sure i will OC my AMD 2600+mobile with a
Thermalright Copper Heatsink "SLK948U" and a tornado.
thanks again and hope to hear from you guys really soon.
Originally posted by RockNRoll
... and overheat easily. ...That is not true! when the fan on my 9700Pro started to fail last year, my card would run to 98oC before it started showing any ill effects, and I inadvertantly ran it like that many times! I've fitted an Arctic-Cooler and can still push it to this day without issue.
Try not to spread false rumours! I believe nVidia's current core runs hotter than ATi's.
Here's a link to what i ran into, since ur card looks almost exactly like mine. I even contacted AC, and they replied saying " to cut the small piece out of the air duct on it, and would not void warranty".
Listen to these guys they will not steer u wrong:D :t :t
elmace
09-20-2004, 08:26 PM
Thank you guys for the fast reply, as soon as i get all my pc parts left to buy i will be checking this pages for sure. as soon as i get more time i will add a list with all the parts that i got for my first gaming rig ( will not be something fancy high end parts, but will be ok for future games)
thanks again to everyone.:t
elmace
09-22-2004, 09:16 PM
Here is the list of the parts that I got for my first pc that i make, I want to know if what i have right now I will be able to overclock a bit, I do not want to push the edge of the cpu but i would like to get it to a point where Halo and Doom 3 will playable at decent speeds. any help will be welcome and hope to hear from you guys soon as always. :t
Gaming rig:
Case: ASPIRE Turbo Case X-Pider White ATX Mid Tower Case with 420W Power Supply, Model "ATXA2XPW-WHI/420" (Link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-144-003&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE))
Mobo: ABIT "NF7-S Version 2" nForce2 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Socket A CPU -RETAIL (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-127-166&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE))
CPU: AMD 45 Watt Mobile Athlon XP 2600+, 266 MHz FSB, 512K L2 Cache Processor - OEM (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-436&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) )
CPU cooling: Arctic Silver Premium Silver Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound, Model "Arctic Silver 5", 3.5-gram( 1 cc. ) tube (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-007&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) )
Vantec "Tornado" Double Ball Bearing Cooling Fan, Model "TD9238H" -RETAIL( Link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-999-613&depa=0))
Thermalright "SLK900A" Copper Heatsink for AMD: Athlon XP Palamino, Thoroughbred, and Barton 2800+ and up(link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-109-011&depa=0))
Hard Drive: Western Digital Special Edition 80GB 7200RPM IDE Hard Drive, Model WD800JB, OEM Drive Only (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-122&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) )
Memory: Crucial 184 Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 8T - OEM link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-541&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) ) will get only one for now until i get more cash
Video card: SAPPHIRE ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 128MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP -BULK -OEM (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-102-268&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE) )
Video card cooling: Arctic Cooling VGA Silencer, Model "AVC-1000 REV.3" -RETAIL (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=35-186-110&depa=0))
Floppy Drive: SONY Beige 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920, OEM (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=21-103-109&depa=0))
Fan Controller: VANTEC Nexus Fan Controller Panel (Silver), Model "NXP-201-SL" (link (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=13-999-503&depa=0))
Magua
09-22-2004, 09:31 PM
If your not going to OC the card then I wouldn't bother with aftermarket cooling.
Someone Stupid
09-22-2004, 10:39 PM
I'd suggest using a thermaltake smartfan (with rheostat) or a medium speed papst. That tornado is insanely loud and highly uneeded unless really pushing an overclock, same with the heatsink.
elmace
09-23-2004, 07:13 AM
sorry, but i forgot to tell you that i already have those parts so i will not be buying more things only another 512 MB memory but that will be in about two months i just want to know if i will be able to OC this pc to get good performance in doom 3 and Halo, and battlefield vietnam. thanks and sorry for the confusion.
mobo57
09-23-2004, 03:44 PM
Depending on how far you can push your chip and still be stable, you should get really good performance from that rig. And with the Arctic cooler you should be able to get a decent oc out of that card, especially if it is a newer one, as the seem mostly to be de-tuned 360 core xt's now.
Terminator
09-23-2004, 04:44 PM
When I read this I was surprised no-one suggested taking the heatsink off and possibly lapping it....It can be down because I've down it recently but it IS a delicate operation especially as the GPU is on the card unlike lapping CPU's. I suppose it depends on the equipement you have..at work for me.
Also most of time the thermal contact cr@p they put on it is either poor or more than not spread across the GPU unevenly AND the heatsink sometimes sits awkward.
If it was my card I'd at least remove the heatsink, clean it and apply Artic and put it back on. The sapphire heatsink does'look' inadequate but if the manufacturer didn't think it was appropriate then you wouldn't get the warranty. This of course does not account for OC'ing.
Best OC'ing is def water cooling but a good copper heatpipe would be adequate
If you don't OC then run it as it is...it fails then return it....believe me they WILL know if you tampered with it.
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Magua
09-23-2004, 06:36 PM
Well if he isn't going to OC it then there is no way I would recomend touching it. Even if it was running super hot I would leave it alone untill warrenty is up.
Exactly how hot was it? Did you just feel some heat coming off it? Could you hold your fingers on it for an extended period feeling heat, but not painful? Could you only touch it for a brief period before hurting? There is always going to be some amount of heat coming from the card, how much is the issue.
elmace
09-23-2004, 07:40 PM
The heat on the card was not too bad, I just wanted to give it a better cooling, im thinking about adding a little of the Arctic Silver 5 since i believe i do will not be using the whole tube on the CPU.
So you guys think that i will be able to get some decent performane with or withOUT OCing? what i mean by OCling is OCing the video card and the CPU, when OCing the cpu do i need to change something in the memory too? and with that power supply will i be able to keep up "IF" i decide to OClock the CPU and Video card?
Sorry guys, but everytime that i come to this forum i ende up asking more question,
The bad news right now is taht i ordered my stuff yesterday before noon Pacific time and i was hoping to get the CPU, HD, RAM and fan controller tomorrow friday but seems like it will be until monday when i get those last 4 parts that i have already paid for, well i have been waiting for this PC about 2 or 3 months already, so 4 days i hope they can go fast.
And again thanks everyone for the help and will be back as soon as i can.
Magua
09-23-2004, 08:52 PM
im thinking about adding a little of the Arctic Silver 5 since i believe i do will not be using the whole tube on the CPU.
If you do, your doing something wrong :p
I would use the card, and if your happy with its performance keep the warrenty a bit longer. If you want a bit more, go ahead and start to push it. I recomend not overclocking or touching the card atleast for a few weeks to let it prove to you its not a complete lemon.
blacknight31k
09-23-2004, 09:49 PM
Imo: I would run this rig at all stock settings, and then run a few benchmarks to see what u get. That way u have a base figure to let you know how it performs. Then run the games u want to play and see how well it performs when playing in real time.
Most people like to have a good benchmark with high scores, but dont run those settings on everyday usage
Most of us who do over clock their systems do so to get a little more out of the system that we have. At least for me i dont $$$ to hand out for the best of everything, i could, but my wife would have me on the couch,hehehe. So i try to buy parts that are the "best bang for my buck".
When u get this rig together write down your settings and then let us know what u have, all these guys in here can really help u with ur configuration to get the best performance out of your rig.
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elmace
09-23-2004, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by blacknight31k
When u get this rig together write down your settings and then let us know what u have, all these guys in here can really help u with ur configuration to get the best performance out of your rig.
:t :t :t
you are right about that im getting right ahead of myself, is just that i have been waiting for this pc for too long now, and since it is my first pc that i make and if everything goes right it will not be the last one.
and yes as soon as i get this thing togheter i will post my settings, any benchmark software that you can recommend me?
One last question for today, i have read that when people build new pcs the say that they let their cpu burn for days so it can go stable, what do they mean?
blacknight31k
09-23-2004, 10:39 PM
The reason they say this is: just like builing a new engine, u want it to have a chance to wear in before u crank up cpu settings, thus not oc'ing it right off the bat, and to check stability before oc'ing.
dont have the links right off the bat for benchmarks, but u can find them on google real easy use like: Imo sandrasoft or futuremarks 2001se gives u a real good mark for vid and cpu, because they both stress cpu and vid card to give u an acurate mark for real life gaming.
Dont be to hard on urself, because most of us dont get a rig running smooth right off the bat, its all trial and error, Hense the reason for sysopt.
A cool bunch of guys that give their time to help people like u and me. hehehe
Magua
09-23-2004, 11:38 PM
3dMark 2001 will give you a good videocard/CPU bench
Hi guys, i have finally started working on the pc, and everything works, at least i can boot the pc and everything seems to work fine.
I know i said everything is great but, here is my biggest problem right now, I know many of you said not to install the vga silencer, but i did because the idea of "I have paid for it I will used anyways" I started to install it and when I turn on the pc I get artifacts like white spots and squares of diferent colors, so I tried an video card that I had extra and it worked because i tought that the agp slot was bad.
Please if any of you know how can i fix this problem I will really, really appreciate it, please help me.
I now know for sure hat i have r360 core and samsung memory.
Please any help will be highly appreciated.
Forgot to say that it seems to make good contact with the core and im using artic silver 5.
blacknight31k
10-03-2004, 02:26 PM
Try to install the stock cooler and boot to see how it does. When u disasemble it check to see if anything is touching the board that shouldnt be.
Did u install the drivers from the cd and if u did have u updated them from ati.
See if the back plate that mounts to the case is loose from the card, a buddy of mine has the exact card u have, and he has to rma it, because his was loose from the card causing the same problems: artifacts and causing screen to flicker and go blank.
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elmace
10-03-2004, 02:50 PM
I have not installed any drivers or anything like that , because when i boot up the pc, I can not figure out what says on the screen.
Here is a pic of what i see when I turn on the pc.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/elmace/photos/PA032679.JPG
Strawbs
10-03-2004, 04:12 PM
I think this is caused by someting shorting out on the card\AGP slot! have you installed a 3rd party temp probe? If yes - turn it over or re-adjust it's position slightly.
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elmace
10-03-2004, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Strawbs
I think this is caused by someting shorting out on the card\AGP slot! have you installed a 3rd party temp probe? If yes - turn it over or re-adjust it's position slightly.
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Questions:
What is probe?
how do i re-adjusted?
please im desperated, I also want to know if there is a way to put the stok heatsink/fan back, if yes how, any pictures that i can see for that process?
I have taken off that silencer about 3 times now, and everytime i get the heatsink from the silencer with some artic silver 5 on it, so im pretty sure there is contact with the core. please help me.
blacknight31k
10-03-2004, 04:20 PM
Yes i agree, thats why i asked if u could put on stock cooler back on to check and make sure its not the vidcard itself.
Check real carefully, pull the card out and see if there is anything touching other than ramsinks. And make sure power connector is hooked up correctly, i know from experience that the little plug can come off card and cause same probs.
edit: has any of the silver oozed over the chip onto the board, if so u can use "rubbing alcohol" to clean it off there.
elmace
10-03-2004, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by blacknight31k
Yes i agree, thats why i asked if u could put on stock cooler back on to check and make sure its not the vidcard itself.
Check real carefully, pull the card out and see if there is anything touching other than ramsinks. And make sure power connector is hooked up correctly, i know from experience that the little plug can come off card and cause same probs.
I do not know why, but there is no contact with the ramsinks, the silencer does not reach that far. all i see that is touching is the shim but im not sure if it is really touching the core but like i said before when i take off the silencer the heatsink has thermal paste, should i use the stuff that came with the silencer?
as you can see im checking this post all the time, so please, please, please help me
As i said i just put together this rig, and windows is not installed so is no because i was trying to OC it i just wanted a better cooling.
blacknight31k
10-03-2004, 05:02 PM
ok first things first:
1: clean off all the silve u have put on completely
2: put ur stock cooler back on to make sure u didnt hurt the card the original cooler should have either push pins to hold the cooler on or an adhesive pad/paste
3: if the card isn"t hurt then go ahead and install all vid drivers and windows.
4: Once u get it up and running then u can go back because there is something causing the cooler not to seet correctly, probly the square chip next to the Gpu, hitting the air duct on the cooler not letting it set squarely on the Gpu.
here"s the link that helped me http://www.frozencpu.com/images/products/pdf/artic-cooling_vga-silencer-compatibility.pdf
elmace
10-03-2004, 05:08 PM
but again how do i get the old heatsink back, because i did what the manual for the slicencer said and now i don seem to be able to put it back,
blacknight31k
10-03-2004, 05:27 PM
ok here's a link to a better view of ur card http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?style=album
now acording to this view that im looking at there should be 2 black or what ever color pins "where the screws when through the 2 holes in ur card next to the Gpu" Look at what u took off the card and see, they should be able to push them through the holes to secure the stock cooler and dont forget to put some silver on it hehehe
Finally if ur getting frustrated with it leave it alone for a while and come back to it in a little while. Get ur mind off it and u will be surprised that its probly just something overlooked
elmace
10-03-2004, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by blacknight31k
ok here's a link to a better view of ur card http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?style=album
now acording to this view that im looking at there should be 2 black or what ever color pins "where the screws when through the 2 holes in ur card next to the Gpu" Look at what u took off the card and see, they should be able to push them through the holes to secure the stock cooler and dont forget to put some silver on it hehehe
Finally if ur getting frustrated with it leave it alone for a while and come back to it in a little while. Get ur mind off it and u will be surprised that its probly just something overlooked
Thank you very much for replying to this post, for real thank you blacknight31k and thanks everyone else that has been helping me.
Ok big news right now, I just have been able to put the old heatsink back but i have not checked yet if is making good contact i will work with that for a little bit more, because i only had 4 hours of sleep and im feeling tired. and i will try to make a little dent to the silencer so that i makes better contact.
thanks everyone and if i get the old one back succesfully i let you know even if not i will let you know.
thanks again for the help and see you soon.
elmace
10-03-2004, 08:11 PM
bad news it did not work and after installing another card i check the bios and my amd 2600 mobile is not recognized and it says that it was at 500MHZ something like that i give up and i will try it again during the week
Terminator
10-03-2004, 08:57 PM
Last time I saw a screen like that on boot up was when I blew my old ATi8500. All I did was attach heatsinks to the ram chips and clocked the memory too high (stupid). When it first came up I yanked the power off right away but on rebooting I got a very similar screen.
I removed the heatsinks and cleaned the chips up and RMA'd and luckily they did not notice.
So , sorry, but I think you've blown the card.:(
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CrazyCrusher
10-03-2004, 09:25 PM
as some have suggested above try them all, I would also remove your mother board from the case, place is on a non conductive surface and try it, also try cleaning your Video card connection with some rubbing Alcohol, I have gotten your screen before, turns out it was running way to hot, I started over again, double checked every thing, and it turned out I didn’t have the Arctic Fan connected correct and it was not running the way it should have been.
elmace
10-04-2004, 08:10 PM
Originally posted by CrazyCrusher
as some have suggested above try them all, I would also remove your mother board from the case, place is on a non conductive surface and try it, also try cleaning your Video card connection with some rubbing Alcohol, I have gotten your screen before, turns out it was running way to hot, I started over again, double checked every thing, and it turned out I didn’t have the Arctic Fan connected correct and it was not running the way it should have been.
Did it work then? were you able to fix your card?
also as i said right now i have the original heatsink but its not making good contact im able to move the heatsink a little bit, but im sure that the reason is because the old plastic nobs are not as strong as they were before i removed them.
later today i will post a picture of the bios (BY using a different video card) and my
AMD Mobile Athlon XP 2600+, all i remember from yesterday is that it was 500 MHz
thanks for the replies but i do really hope that some of you can help me.
Note. because i work in a shop where we work with cnc machines and we are going to try to take some off from the silencer and leave a square of the size of the core so that we know that it is making contact with the core. (because we think that the shim is on the way)
well please guys if you can help me please post it. also do you think if i RMA it will they check if the heatsink was removed? any help or comments will be appreciated. thanks
pictures here:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/elmace/photos/PA042723.JPG
http://members.lycos.co.uk/elmace/photos/PA042725.JPG
Thing is running hot http://members.lycos.co.uk/elmace/photos/PA042727b.jpg
Strawbs
10-05-2004, 04:00 AM
The Shim is just a flat metal plate that is glued to the core, if done with care it can be prised off quite easily using a razor\craft-knife blade - but you have to think about the possibility of returning the card - so it's probably not advisable until you're sure it works properly.
Most of the temps in your screen shots are maximum allowed temperatures precipitating automatic shutdown to avoid damage to components, not the actual temp the cpu is running at! There is one temperature displayed that reads "28oC/82oF", that is your actual CPU temperature and it shows the core to be stone cold because you are running it underclocked! The Multiplier should be at 7.5 and the External Clock (FSB) should be at 266MHz, to give you a frequency of approx 2.0GHz! Mobile chips are often not recognised by desktop BIOS', so your seeing "unknown" is nothing to be alarmed about.
You should enable the "CPU Shutdown Temp" option for automatic protection against overheating! Make sure you don't have the HS sitting on the chip backwards: i.e. rotated thru 180o, you need the groove in the base of the heatsink aligned with the step on the socket.
I'll be back with some pics of how my A-C silencer looks.
Strawbs
10-05-2004, 07:07 AM
note the gap between the exhaust & backplate!
Strawbs
10-05-2004, 07:14 AM
Ramsinks are easily cleared! Caps are a lot closer though.
Strawbs
10-05-2004, 07:19 AM
Mounting Bracket!
Strawbs
10-05-2004, 08:11 AM
The Orange\White lead coming from the right-hand end of the card is the Temperature Probe I asked about earlier! The dust in the HSF will soon be gone! :eek:
elmace
10-05-2004, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Strawbs
Most of the temps in your screen shots are maximum allowed temperatures precipitating automatic shutdown to avoid damage to components, not the actual temp the cpu is running at! There is one temperature displayed that reads "28oC/82oF", that is your actual CPU temperature and it shows the core to be stone cold because you are running it underclocked! The Multiplier should be at 7.5 and the External Clock (FSB) should be at 266MHz, to give you a frequency of approx 2.0GHz! Mobile chips are often not recognised by desktop BIOS', so your seeing "unknown" is nothing to be alarmed about.
You should enable the "CPU Shutdown Temp" option for automatic protection against overheating! Make sure you don't have the HS sitting on the chip backwards: i.e. rotated thru 180o, you need the groove in the base of the heatsink aligned with the step on the socket.
how do i do that i have been trying but no luck about changing to 2666 and 7.5, everytime that i put those numbers I exit by pressing F10 and it say to not turn off my pc while it saves the bios and the monitor turns off but the pc not, what i happening?
forgot to mention that i called the place where i got the video card and i will RMA it thanks everyone that helped me and next card i will not remove the heatsink and i will try to sell the silencer or keep it for my 7500 if it fits, but that will be next summer for my next pc.
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