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wardD
08-08-2004, 06:08 PM
gee, I dont know if you read my last reply to the sysopt link not working, but if you did disregard it.

I dont know why, but the link is working great, in both my html folders and in the public_html folder. go figure!

the only thing I did was shut off my computer. I dont even know why i shut it off. I rarley shut down. got home from work today opened a wobly pop and checked sysopt, read your reply, sent a little howdy doodie back to you, then went to copy your code but as soon as i opened the folder, I saw the link, tried it, and it worked.
as it did in my original/main index file. :)

k, well I guess I will start trying to make the page look a little more " thought out". thanks again for all your time and patience, I will keep ya posted on my progress.


regards, ward.

ScaryBinary
08-08-2004, 06:28 PM
Cool, glad to hear things are working! Feels great to have your own website, eh? :t

wardD
08-08-2004, 07:11 PM
ya its pretty cool. every one who has seen it thinks Im a brainiack.(HaHa)mind you that would only include family and the odd co-worker.

pretty much any thing I know about computers I have learned through sysopt, which is why the link thing was formost on my mind.

I was interested in this a year or so back, and an aqauintance of mine lent me dream weaver and the manual that came with it.

well this is just a hobby not a job, and one look at the manual, I just gave it back and thanked him for the thought.

well by goly I have a simple site and am pleased with it, and it didnt take a $600 program to do it.

my interest is now sparked, so I think I will end up with a fairly cool site as I learn how to do things, and I may even spark up mavis bacon(typeing tutor) just to spead things up. unfortunatley my spelling will always suck.

regards, ward.

ScaryBinary
08-08-2004, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by wardD
unfortunatley my spelling will always suck.

LOL

That's a prerequisite for being a programmer, don't you know?! That's why they invented compilers.

wardD
08-13-2004, 09:23 PM
ok, well been playin around and kinda figuring things out.

It would apear that I am running out of room on my main page( I think). I tried to pop another pic up their but it wont go. its an image i D/L off another site, or was sent to me, cant recall. anyway I dont realy know what the prob is but i think its that their isnt enough room to desplay it. is that possible??

I did get my sysopt link in big bold letters, thats cool. but the color sucks, how do I change that!

I beleive it was fancy mentioning, you can put pics in a folder and upload that and have a link to it on your web site?? I may have missunderstood, could you shed some light!..

one more thing, I have been checking out the code on assorted sites, but they are prety much martian to me after the <html>.

can you recomend or point me in the direction of some simple web sites so i can scope out their code.

thanks a bunch, ward.

ScaryBinary
08-14-2004, 10:08 AM
There's really no limit to how much stuff you can put on a single web page. You could put the entire Illustrated Old Testament on one page if you wanted, though your visitors would have to scroll down the page for days before they got to Malachi.

In other words, check your links, images, etc. and make sure they're all in the right spot. Are you saying the image isn't displayed at all (not even the square with the little "broken" icon)?

What fancyf was saying is that you can put all your images in one folder (different from the folder your main page is in), then link to those images from your main page. This approach isn't absolutely necessary, but it makes your website as a whole a little more managable and clean.

An example may help. I'm not sure how to explain it without talking about directories and files, so bear with me.

Let's say you're designing your website on your home computer, so you have a folder called "MyWebs" somewhere on your harddrive. Let's say the full directory name is "C:\Documents\MyWebs". While you're designing your site, you put your "index.htm" file in this folder. Let's say you have another file, which shows all your favorite links, called "favlinks.htm". You put this file in your "MyWebs" folder, too. So, now you have two HTML files in the same folder. The full path of each file is:

C:\Documents\MyWebs\index.htm
C:\Documents\MyWebs\favlinks.htm

OK, the important thing to note here is that both files are in the same folder. What this means is that if you want to put a link from your main page to your favorite links page, you don't have to specify a folder because your browser is smart enough to look for the file in the same folder first. So, your link might be:
<a href="favlinks.htm">My Favorite Links</a>
You're computer and browser won't even care that you didn't say where that file really is (C:\Documents\MyWebs\favlinks.htm), as long as it's in the same folder as the file you're linking from.

*breath*

All that being said, let's say you have a bunch of images. So, create a new folder "images" in your "MyWebs" folder. Now you have a folder that is really at:

C:\Documents\MyWebs\images

In this case, your images are in a different folder than your main page, so you can't link like we did above, where our files were in the same folder. But there is a shortcut - you only have to specify where the image file is relative to where your main page is. This means if you want to display the picture "bearhead.jpg" on your main page, you can do it like:
<img src="images\bearhead.jpg">
This just stays that starting from the MyWebs folder, where your main file is, look for images in the sub-folder "images".

OK, if I haven't lost you yet, the final point of all this is that if you link in this manner, you can layout your folders and files on your computer, then upload the whole darn thing to your website and all your links will still work. In our example here, you'd upload all the files and folders in your MyWebs folder, and put them in (most likely) the "public_html" folder on your ISP's computer. Note that you don't upload the MyWebs folder itself, just everything in it.

The other point is that if you had referenced everything according to YOUR computer, all your links would be broken when you upload. If you had a link on your main page like:
<a href="C:\Documents\MyWebs\favlinks.htm>My Favorite Links</a> instead of just
<a href="favlinks.htm">My Favorite Links</a> your links wouldn't work because your ISP's computer doesn't have a "C:\Documents\MyWebs" folder. It was something like "C:\memberpages\wardd\public_html" which you probably can't reference like that anyway. To you, your main directory is that "public_html" folder.

Sheesh, sorry that was so long and drawn out. Maybe someone else could have explained it in 3 sentances! :D

I'll try to find a nice site for you to look at, as far as source code goes. If there's something specific you're interested in (tables, forms, etc.) let me/us know and we can just post some examples.

ScaryBinary
08-14-2004, 11:37 AM
Whoops, forgot to answer the "easy" question about link colors! You can change link colors using styles.

The following styles will make your links red when they're new, black if you've clicked on them, and blue when you put (i.e., "hover") the mouse cursor over them.
<style type="text/css">
<!--
a:link {color: red;}
a:visited {color: black;}
a:hover{color: blue;}
// -->
</style>


You've probably seen that fancy thing where the underline for a link is drawn only when you hover over the link. You can do that using the "text-decoration" attribute, as shown below.
<style type="text/css">
<!--
a:link
{
color: red;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:visited
{
color: black;
text-decoration: none;
}
a:hover
{
color: blue;
text-decoration: underline;
}
// -->
</style>

Here I used the same link colors as the first example, but added the "text-decoration" so you only see the line under the link when you put the mouse curser over the link. In my opinion, this is not a good thing to do, since most people expect links to be underlined (how do you know if it's a link if it's not different from normal un-linked text?) but it's kinda cool, nonetheless.

You'll notice I indented my style code and put the curly braces on their own lines. This is just my coding preference, it makes it easy to read for long lists of atrributes. You can do that, of follow your own style. As long as you have the braces and stuff in the right place, you could put it all on one line if you wanted.

wardD
08-14-2004, 07:42 PM
scarybinary, too cool.

you have shed some light on a few things I needed to know. I just "read" your last post. I will save it and re-read it a couple dozen times and I think it will all start making sence!.

as far as having any specific " things" I want to do!, I don't!! up till a few weeks ago I hadent even thought about a web site after seeing the dreamweaver manual.

but now that i am a little more optimistic and have actualy got a little sumpin happening, I am thinking I need a little focus, a little thought in the lay out of the page. I have lots of thoughts on what I could get happening up thier, but not the technoligy to pull it off.

I would like to have adaware,spybot, memtest and that sorta thing up their. but I am thinkin their is a space issue I have to consider. I havent looked into it but I am assuming I have 5mb of space( it came with my isp). I was also thinking as aposed to having those files uploaded to my site, I could just put in links to the site(s) I d/loaded them from. would save a whack of space!!.

as you probably figured, we are into intarsia and fret work, so a few links to other fret/intarsia sites would be good, and theoreticaly I know how to do that.

anyway, I am just learning things through trial and error. so as long as you dont mind typing, I sure dont mind reading.

thanks again, your time and wisdom are most apreciated.

ward. PS. the image I was refering to had the broken image sqaure, perhaps I will go re-look at the code. cheers.

SJG437
08-17-2004, 10:20 PM
WarD - Dreamweaver is a fantastic tool - just for reference (I can understand it being a bit overwhelming your first time out.)

WebMonkey (http://webmonkey.wired.com/webmonkey/frontdoor/beginners.html) has a fairly goo tutorial on HTML for the beginner.

There are several other and a search for HTML tutorial via Google will net you tons. :t

wardD
08-18-2004, 05:09 PM
sjg437, I have been using webmonkey and lisa exsplains. both quit helpful, but scarybinary just exsplains things better.

my site is nothing special yet, but as I learn more things it keeps getting better.

its mainly for my amusment and a way to keep in touch with family and freinds..

anyway, thanks for the thought.

regards, ward.