Bigjakkstaffa
08-06-2004, 04:26 PM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17706
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bob05
08-07-2004, 11:07 AM
Is it for AGP or PCI-E only?
stalkersoftware
08-12-2004, 07:37 AM
GeForce 6600GT cards come with a 500 MHz clock rate, 128-bit (GDDR3, 128 MB) and will cost $200, GeForce 6600 with 128-bit bus (GDDR, 128 MB) will cost $150. According to preliminary results and unconfirmed tests GeForce 6600GT performs 20% better than RADEON 9800XT.
Model Pipes Memory bus width
6800 Ultra 16 256-bit
6800 GT 16 256-bit
6800 12 256-bit
6800 LE 8 256-bit
6600 GT 8 128-bit
6600 8 128-bit
More info is here
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=1762
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Model Pipes Memory bus width
6800 Ultra 16 256-bit
6800 GT 16 256-bit
6800 12 256-bit
6800 LE 8 256-bit
6600 GT 8 128-bit
6600 8 128-bit
More info is here
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=1762
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fishybawb
08-12-2004, 02:36 PM
The LE is an OEM product and already shipping btw
I thought the LE wasn't going to see the light of day :confused:
I thought the LE wasn't going to see the light of day :confused:
Bigjakkstaffa
08-12-2004, 02:42 PM
For retail sale, it isnt going to, it will however ship in OEM packages
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fishybawb
08-12-2004, 02:49 PM
Ahhh... I see :)
PacNW CE
08-12-2004, 05:14 PM
How smart is it really to advertize your card as being THE solution for Doom3, especially with all the inference that ATI cards will run HL2 faster than Nvidia?
I guess this question assumes that people won't upgrade for ONE game only.;)
I guess this question assumes that people won't upgrade for ONE game only.;)
Rabbitrunner51
08-14-2004, 04:55 AM
How neat is that.... and at a lower cost also....
I just saw this little main headline news bit here and had to read it....and this supports 3.0 shadermodeling and uses DDR3 memory..ect.ect...
If they offer this for $150-200 as suggested...I might have to get one....
How would this compare to say a regular 6800 or 6800GT??
Something we will all have to follow to see what the performance outcomes,reviews and benchmarks are....sweet!;)
I just saw this little main headline news bit here and had to read it....and this supports 3.0 shadermodeling and uses DDR3 memory..ect.ect...
If they offer this for $150-200 as suggested...I might have to get one....
How would this compare to say a regular 6800 or 6800GT??
Something we will all have to follow to see what the performance outcomes,reviews and benchmarks are....sweet!;)
stalkersoftware
08-14-2004, 07:48 AM
Originally posted by Rabbitrunner51
How neat is that.... and at a lower cost also....
I just saw this little main headline news bit here and had to read it....and this supports 3.0 shadermodeling and uses DDR3 memory..ect.ect...
If they offer this for $150-200 as suggested...I might have to get one....
How would this compare to say a regular 6800 or 6800GT??
Something we will all have to follow to see what the performance outcomes,reviews and benchmarks are....sweet!;)
What do you mean compare?? You can not compare these cards to 6800. These cards are crippled versions of the 6800, With half the number of pixcel, vertix shaders and mem bandth width.
6800, 6800 gt and U have 16 Pixcel pipelines (only GT and U have 16PP) and 6 vertex shaders along with 256bit memm where as 6600 have only 8 Pixcel pipelines and 3 vertex shaders and a 128bit mem. In comparison to the 5900 and 9800 both these cards had 256 bit mem.
I fear that in some games these cards may perform less if not equal to the 5900 and 9800,
Here are more deatils.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040812/index.html
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How neat is that.... and at a lower cost also....
I just saw this little main headline news bit here and had to read it....and this supports 3.0 shadermodeling and uses DDR3 memory..ect.ect...
If they offer this for $150-200 as suggested...I might have to get one....
How would this compare to say a regular 6800 or 6800GT??
Something we will all have to follow to see what the performance outcomes,reviews and benchmarks are....sweet!;)
What do you mean compare?? You can not compare these cards to 6800. These cards are crippled versions of the 6800, With half the number of pixcel, vertix shaders and mem bandth width.
6800, 6800 gt and U have 16 Pixcel pipelines (only GT and U have 16PP) and 6 vertex shaders along with 256bit memm where as 6600 have only 8 Pixcel pipelines and 3 vertex shaders and a 128bit mem. In comparison to the 5900 and 9800 both these cards had 256 bit mem.
I fear that in some games these cards may perform less if not equal to the 5900 and 9800,
Here are more deatils.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040812/index.html
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Rabbitrunner51
08-14-2004, 08:23 AM
I realize that...after I looked back over what I wrote I might have been ahead of myself and did not intend to compae it to the 6800GT or anything..and yes it only has 8 pipelines,,but some of the other features are a big plus such as 3.0 shader support..and good or bad the same archetechture as the other top cards...
It was stated also that it would run 20% faster than the current 5900's and 9800 cards..so thats a plus also....
I have the 5900 card now and its a real good card...but I always said the speed could be enhanced some...
Maybe still a better card than the 5900...and I know it has the same memory..128...Is this 256 bit or what?
Its all in likely just a enhanced version of what i have now...
I still plan on getting the 6800GT someday...so don't fret.
It was stated also that it would run 20% faster than the current 5900's and 9800 cards..so thats a plus also....
I have the 5900 card now and its a real good card...but I always said the speed could be enhanced some...
Maybe still a better card than the 5900...and I know it has the same memory..128...Is this 256 bit or what?
Its all in likely just a enhanced version of what i have now...
I still plan on getting the 6800GT someday...so don't fret.
JediOfDarkness
08-14-2004, 04:10 PM
The 6600GT will have 256bit memory. Plus the support for SM3.0 and DX9.0c (?) will make it a much better card than the 9800's or 5900's. It wouldn't touch the 6800GT or 6800Ultra in benchmarks, for sure, but I would guess that it would score around the same as the 6800 Standard. I guess time, and benchmarks, will tell...
VOR78
08-14-2004, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by JediOfDarkness
The 6600GT will have 256bit memory. Plus the support for SM3.0 and DX9.0c (?) will make it a much better card than the 9800's or 5900's. It wouldn't touch the 6800GT or 6800Ultra in benchmarks, for sure, but I would guess that it would score around the same as the 6800 Standard. I guess time, and benchmarks, will tell...
It would be a bad move by Nvidia to market a $200 card that will compete with the 6800nu. The 6800nu, at about $275, is already a reasonable alternative for people who don't want to spend anywhere from $400 to $550 or more on a 6800GT or Ultra. If Nvidia puts the 6600GT out there with similar performance to the 6800nu, they run a very real risk of not only undercutting the 6800nu, but also the GT and Ultra versions of their cards.
Myself, I expect it to perform marginally better than the 9800pro and 5900s, with the main advantage not being increased graphics processing power, speed or FPS, but improved feature support, such as the SM3.0 you mentioned. In short, see it as being to this generation of cards what the 9600XTs and 5900XTs were to the last generation. It'll be a decent performing, relatively inexpensive way to get the latest feature support.
The 6600GT will have 256bit memory. Plus the support for SM3.0 and DX9.0c (?) will make it a much better card than the 9800's or 5900's. It wouldn't touch the 6800GT or 6800Ultra in benchmarks, for sure, but I would guess that it would score around the same as the 6800 Standard. I guess time, and benchmarks, will tell...
It would be a bad move by Nvidia to market a $200 card that will compete with the 6800nu. The 6800nu, at about $275, is already a reasonable alternative for people who don't want to spend anywhere from $400 to $550 or more on a 6800GT or Ultra. If Nvidia puts the 6600GT out there with similar performance to the 6800nu, they run a very real risk of not only undercutting the 6800nu, but also the GT and Ultra versions of their cards.
Myself, I expect it to perform marginally better than the 9800pro and 5900s, with the main advantage not being increased graphics processing power, speed or FPS, but improved feature support, such as the SM3.0 you mentioned. In short, see it as being to this generation of cards what the 9600XTs and 5900XTs were to the last generation. It'll be a decent performing, relatively inexpensive way to get the latest feature support.
Yoshi
08-14-2004, 10:28 PM
6800 Ultra $500
6800GT $400
6800 $300
6600GT $220
6600 $150
6200 :D $100
6800GT $400
6800 $300
6600GT $220
6600 $150
6200 :D $100
JediOfDarkness
08-14-2004, 10:31 PM
6200? You have any links to info on that?
Yoshi
08-14-2004, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by JediOfDarkness
6200? You have any links to info on that?
Just a guess, that's why there is a smile
6200? You have any links to info on that?
Just a guess, that's why there is a smile
Rabbitrunner51
08-14-2004, 11:10 PM
These guys must just take a basic card structure....fiddle around with it ....add something here..and take something away there, and thus put out more cards or choices for people ..and yes its alot to do with marketing...
I totally agree with the undercutting of your other products...this makes sense to me....
Of course I suppose after they put out the 6800's they had to re-evaluate some things like sm3.0 support and other things...and then decided it might be good to put out another line of cards....but really...I don't believe there is a real need for it...although maybe those who don't even have the 5900's or 9800 pro's yet have a newer chice in that price range with all the latest stuff on it....
Personally..I think its just overkill in the practical sense
I totally agree with the undercutting of your other products...this makes sense to me....
Of course I suppose after they put out the 6800's they had to re-evaluate some things like sm3.0 support and other things...and then decided it might be good to put out another line of cards....but really...I don't believe there is a real need for it...although maybe those who don't even have the 5900's or 9800 pro's yet have a newer chice in that price range with all the latest stuff on it....
Personally..I think its just overkill in the practical sense
stalkersoftware
08-15-2004, 07:02 AM
Originally posted by JediOfDarkness
The 6600GT will have 256bit memory. Plus the support for SM3.0 and DX9.0c (?) will make it a much better card than the 9800's or 5900's. It wouldn't touch the 6800GT or 6800Ultra in benchmarks, for sure, but I would guess that it would score around the same as the 6800 Standard. I guess time, and benchmarks, will tell...
No mate, These cards all the 6600 card including GT will only carry a 128bit memory.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040812/geforce_6600-01.html
And yes all 6600 will suppot DX9c .I.E Sm3.
these cards can not be compared to the 6800 NU, They will be a lot slower and are exactly half of a GT or U in almost everyway.
6800NU will be a far supirior card.
I also feel that these cards would perform slightly better if not equal to the current 5900 and 9800.
The 6600GT will have 256bit memory. Plus the support for SM3.0 and DX9.0c (?) will make it a much better card than the 9800's or 5900's. It wouldn't touch the 6800GT or 6800Ultra in benchmarks, for sure, but I would guess that it would score around the same as the 6800 Standard. I guess time, and benchmarks, will tell...
No mate, These cards all the 6600 card including GT will only carry a 128bit memory.
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040812/geforce_6600-01.html
And yes all 6600 will suppot DX9c .I.E Sm3.
these cards can not be compared to the 6800 NU, They will be a lot slower and are exactly half of a GT or U in almost everyway.
6800NU will be a far supirior card.
I also feel that these cards would perform slightly better if not equal to the current 5900 and 9800.
porsch1909
08-15-2004, 11:09 AM
will the 6600 series be better thatn the X800 series at doom 3 as well?!?!?!?
Bigjakkstaffa
08-15-2004, 11:45 AM
It wouldnt suprise me if it did. It's wrong to think of Doom 3 as a title which reflects the overall performance of nVidia and ATi cards accuratley as a whole, but as reflecting the way the two seperate manufacturers handle Hierarchical Z. In this case, nVidia's "method" is better suited to the particular title than ATi's
http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/2004/07-30_english.php
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http://www.3dcenter.org/artikel/2004/07-30_english.php
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JediOfDarkness
08-15-2004, 04:44 PM
Hmm.. I thought that the 6600GT had 256bit memory. I guess I was just thinking of the 256mb memory.. Oh well. I wouldn't consider buying one anyway, mostly because I've already got a 6800GT and there would be no point, but I have been telling friends of mine to look out for it, as they've been wanting to get a 9800 Pro here soon. Anyone know of any place that has any benchmarking scores on it yet, or when they'll most likely arive?
Rabbitrunner51
08-15-2004, 05:07 PM
According to the link that is posted by Jakk in the openiong of this post...if you go and click the highlighted link in the first paragraph....Nvidia's president says that after gamers convention...from the 19-22 of August...the cards will then be made available immediately....so nothing until then I believe...
The purpose of these conventions is to test the cards out and again I do not believe any benchmarks would be made available till after this.....
The purpose of these conventions is to test the cards out and again I do not believe any benchmarks would be made available till after this.....
Yoshi
08-19-2004, 03:01 AM
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17812
Priced at $199 for the GT and $150 for the NON GT these could sell out faster the the 6800s or x800 did.
Both cards have PS3.0 and the GT is said to reach just over 8000 in 3dmarks03. These cards have 500/1000 MHz for the GT and 300/1000 Mhz for the regular. The GT is Also SLI ready.
Nvidia claims that at 1024x768 at 32 bit color 4X FSAA and 8X Aniso or 1600x1200 at 32 bit colour, both high quality settings, you will be able to get a more than sufficient 56 FPS.
Nvidia looks very well set this round, now it is ATi who is playing catch up.
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Priced at $199 for the GT and $150 for the NON GT these could sell out faster the the 6800s or x800 did.
Both cards have PS3.0 and the GT is said to reach just over 8000 in 3dmarks03. These cards have 500/1000 MHz for the GT and 300/1000 Mhz for the regular. The GT is Also SLI ready.
Nvidia claims that at 1024x768 at 32 bit color 4X FSAA and 8X Aniso or 1600x1200 at 32 bit colour, both high quality settings, you will be able to get a more than sufficient 56 FPS.
Nvidia looks very well set this round, now it is ATi who is playing catch up.
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stalkersoftware
08-19-2004, 06:46 AM
If the GT is priced at a $199 we could have another GF4ti420, It would replace all the current GF an ATI cards in that price range, Thats means 5900 and 9800 prices would need price cuts.
This is major blow fo ATI they hav'nt got any thing to respond with for the moment.
This is major blow fo ATI they hav'nt got any thing to respond with for the moment.
JediOfDarkness
08-19-2004, 02:49 PM
Yeah, I think ATI was hoping that their X800 Pro would be able to hold off everything else, as it's kinda the middle card right now. And I would love to see if the 6600GT could be overclocked like the Ti cards could be :D
porsch1909
08-19-2004, 05:27 PM
8000 is a pretty good score.
the X800 pro is still better than that though. when HL2 comes out i would imagine it will be ATI laughin....you win some you lose some.
the X800 pro is still better than that though. when HL2 comes out i would imagine it will be ATI laughin....you win some you lose some.
Bigjakkstaffa
08-19-2004, 06:09 PM
The X800 Pro in itself is a decent card, its problem lies in that it just isnt priced right. If ATi do adopt the rumored price shuffle and significantly undercut the 6800GT with the X800 Pro, particularly with the existence of 16-Pipeline X800Pro VIVO's, it could well find itself as the best "Value-Performance" buy out there. Until somethign does happen with the X800Pro's pricing though, the X800 Pro VIVO is their only real competition for 6800GT, and most peopel dont have the know how or the grape-fruits to utilise that particular piece of kit to its fullest potential
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porsch1909
08-19-2004, 06:12 PM
that is true. both cards can hanle anything you throw a them today. excet the X80 pro at 1600*1200. bu if the X800 pro is significanly cheaer why buy a GT for so much more??
bob05
08-19-2004, 06:38 PM
I would seriously look into the 6600 Non-GT if it's raw performance was close to a 9600XT-9800NP. $150 for a decent card with SM 3.0 support, sounds nice. :D
porsch1909
08-19-2004, 06:39 PM
im not convinced of the advantages of sm3.0 yet . time will tell.
Bigjakkstaffa
08-19-2004, 06:43 PM
SM3.0 is useful and does have a couple of decent tricks up its sleeve, the thing is that the current crop of SM3.0 cards dont have the horsepower needed to utilise these aspects of SM3.0, it'll be the next gen of cards that really show SM3.0's full capabilities (at which point i still think it'll be a case of "nice, but not really revolutionary is it mate?")
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porsch1909
08-19-2004, 06:46 PM
that is what i was trying to say just couldnt word it like that. ure a genious jakk lol.
some nvidia card perform worse than ati card on 'nividia the way its meant to be played ' games. is that not kinda ironic???
some nvidia card perform worse than ati card on 'nividia the way its meant to be played ' games. is that not kinda ironic???
Bigjakkstaffa
08-19-2004, 06:56 PM
Not really, there are fundamental differences between nVidias TWIMTBP scheme and ATi's GITG initiative.
TWIMTBP is essentially an advertising scheme, nV throw a big bundle of cash at developers to include a little 10 Second video advert at the beginning of their title and usually, thats that. By the same extension the TWIMTBP nVidia sabotage theories that some throw around can also be written off as a load of old cobblers.
GITG is more of a partnership between ATi and Developers to improve technology and performance, as well as relations between developers and hardware manufacturers. There tends to be very little about advertising in it (though the eagle eyes among you may have noticed posters/grafitti of "Ruby" in the streets of HL2's ity 17 ;)). For this reason, many people dont know of many GITG titles, simply because its an almost entirely "behing the scenes" development based scheme, rather than a shouty shouty "look at us" PR campaign
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TWIMTBP is essentially an advertising scheme, nV throw a big bundle of cash at developers to include a little 10 Second video advert at the beginning of their title and usually, thats that. By the same extension the TWIMTBP nVidia sabotage theories that some throw around can also be written off as a load of old cobblers.
GITG is more of a partnership between ATi and Developers to improve technology and performance, as well as relations between developers and hardware manufacturers. There tends to be very little about advertising in it (though the eagle eyes among you may have noticed posters/grafitti of "Ruby" in the streets of HL2's ity 17 ;)). For this reason, many people dont know of many GITG titles, simply because its an almost entirely "behing the scenes" development based scheme, rather than a shouty shouty "look at us" PR campaign
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Rabbitrunner51
08-19-2004, 09:52 PM
Sounds as though from the specs Yoshi posted here that the 6600GT with its higher bus speeds and 3.0 plus features would put my FX5900 to shame...and I agree that the regular 6600 would be the premier card in the midlevel price range....but also I am wanting to see wht the true benchmarks are for these cards..so the excitment can justify itself......
personally since I already have a decent last genration card that plays well....I would still jump up to the 6800GT when I can afford it...as its the best all around card for the money....
Prices will come down some....;)
personally since I already have a decent last genration card that plays well....I would still jump up to the 6800GT when I can afford it...as its the best all around card for the money....
Prices will come down some....;)
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