Bigjakkstaffa
08-03-2004, 07:09 PM
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4547.html
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17618
--Jakk:t
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17618
--Jakk:t
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Bigjakkstaffa
08-03-2004, 07:32 PM
I asked Terry if these drivers will support instancing on farcry 1.2 (or higher patch), and he said yes, these drivers also provide early support for instancing.
(obviosuly it wasnt me who asked him, but you get the gist)
Also, the main scope of these drivers is to improve performance in Doom III apparently
I'm off to get some arrows lodged in my back...
--Jakk:t
(obviosuly it wasnt me who asked him, but you get the gist)
Also, the main scope of these drivers is to improve performance in Doom III apparently
I'm off to get some arrows lodged in my back...
--Jakk:t
Midknyte
08-03-2004, 07:33 PM
I caught that. LOL! :t Good luck, Kemosabe!
Bigjakkstaffa
08-03-2004, 07:46 PM
Well, cant say i see any performance increases, timedemo1 is around about 36-38FPS as it was previously using the Cat 4.7 Beta's. Maybe it's targeted at fixing the artifact issues?
:confused:
EDIT: X800 series users are reporting modest gains of around 5FPS (plus the improved FPS of the 4.8 Beta driver), while other Radeon owners are reporting no increase.
It appears at first glance that these drivers fix the white dot artifacting problem with Radeon 9800 cards also
--Jakk:t
:confused:
EDIT: X800 series users are reporting modest gains of around 5FPS (plus the improved FPS of the 4.8 Beta driver), while other Radeon owners are reporting no increase.
It appears at first glance that these drivers fix the white dot artifacting problem with Radeon 9800 cards also
--Jakk:t
PacNW CE
08-03-2004, 08:28 PM
I'll be open for the arrows in the back as soon as I get home....:rolleyes:
BadDriver
08-03-2004, 09:07 PM
I got a no boot with them. Oh well, you can't have everything.
Midknyte
08-03-2004, 09:31 PM
Oooh. Arrow in the heart. or is the eye if you can't see anything? Ouchie.
BadDriver
08-03-2004, 09:35 PM
Originally posted by Midknyte
Oooh. Arrow in the heart. or is the eye if you can't see anything? Ouchie.
I had to remove them in safe mode. I don't quite get it. Maybe I should redownload and try again. Might have just been a bad D/L. Nah, I'll wait. :)
Oooh. Arrow in the heart. or is the eye if you can't see anything? Ouchie.
I had to remove them in safe mode. I don't quite get it. Maybe I should redownload and try again. Might have just been a bad D/L. Nah, I'll wait. :)
Midknyte
08-03-2004, 09:45 PM
Hehe. Just a flesh wound. I'm still leery about the 62.20 nvidia drivers. But as everyone will tell you, i'm more conservative when it comes to beta software. :)
I got a few friends with 9xxx cards, so I'll give them the 411. ;)
I got a few friends with 9xxx cards, so I'll give them the 411. ;)
BadDriver
08-03-2004, 10:14 PM
The last nvidias I used were the 56.72's. I liked that set, but with the new cards out I figure those lucky enough to have one should update. I have a 9800 and I am really not in much of a hurry. Doom 3 is still on the horizon for me. :)
too_much
08-03-2004, 11:29 PM
Jakk, do you think it's worth me DLing these, in your honest and wise opinion? ;) I play just as much games as everyone else on my G9600pro, but I'm not sure whether it's worth it....
Dennis Bacon
08-04-2004, 04:11 AM
i am playing doom3 on a 9800 pro and it runs smooth and looks smooth...what is all this fuss about?
Rabbitrunner51
08-04-2004, 10:13 AM
I realize this is about ATI catalast drivers..but how does the game look on the higher end FX cards.....Z??
I knoiw it looks real good for the 6800 and above owners.....
I use the latest 56.76 drivers also..and so far so good....
I knoiw it looks real good for the 6800 and above owners.....
I use the latest 56.76 drivers also..and so far so good....
Bigjakkstaffa
08-04-2004, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by too_much
Jakk, do you think it's worth me DLing these, in your honest and wise opinion? ;) I play just as much games as everyone else on my G9600pro, but I'm not sure whether it's worth it....
See my last post here:
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1158250#post1158250
For me, while theyve not "rocked the earth" or anything, they are a definite improvment and well worth trying out IMO.
--Jakk:t
Jakk, do you think it's worth me DLing these, in your honest and wise opinion? ;) I play just as much games as everyone else on my G9600pro, but I'm not sure whether it's worth it....
See my last post here:
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=1158250#post1158250
For me, while theyve not "rocked the earth" or anything, they are a definite improvment and well worth trying out IMO.
--Jakk:t
BadDriver
08-04-2004, 01:21 PM
Hey, I got them to work on the second D/L of the drivers. I think I must have gotten a corrupt download 1st time.
RamonGTP
08-04-2004, 07:55 PM
Well I tried them out, and here's my take on them:
Jakk, as you pointed out in that other thread you've linked, the studdering is now gone. Im not quite sure if ingame perofrmance increased, but I do know it has not gotten any worse, thats for sure. I did encounter one minor bug though. In certain parts on the "Communication" level, the flash light would not shine on the objects you're pointing at. You could see the light beam, but the actual illumination of the object you're point at would be turning on and off, the actual light beam remained on. Wasn't too big of a deal, and it wasn't throughout the entire level, just certain parts. I can't say for certain if this was the beta drivers causing this, becuase I had never played that level using my 4.7s. Either way, hopefully that issue is worked out in the final release.
Jakk, as you pointed out in that other thread you've linked, the studdering is now gone. Im not quite sure if ingame perofrmance increased, but I do know it has not gotten any worse, thats for sure. I did encounter one minor bug though. In certain parts on the "Communication" level, the flash light would not shine on the objects you're pointing at. You could see the light beam, but the actual illumination of the object you're point at would be turning on and off, the actual light beam remained on. Wasn't too big of a deal, and it wasn't throughout the entire level, just certain parts. I can't say for certain if this was the beta drivers causing this, becuase I had never played that level using my 4.7s. Either way, hopefully that issue is worked out in the final release.
porsch1909
08-04-2004, 08:00 PM
im still waiting for that darned game. i wish i was american.
did i just say that.... yes i did :rolleyes:
did i just say that.... yes i did :rolleyes:
PacNW CE
08-04-2004, 08:27 PM
the 4.9 betas work fine for me. I never bothered with the straight 4.7 cats, so I guess I really don't have anything to compare...
What settings are other 9800 pro 128 owners using?
I gots a 2800+ barton and 512 MB of 2700 too.
Doom3 tells me 1024x768 @ medium with no AA or AF. What are yall finding acceptable?:p
What settings are other 9800 pro 128 owners using?
I gots a 2800+ barton and 512 MB of 2700 too.
Doom3 tells me 1024x768 @ medium with no AA or AF. What are yall finding acceptable?:p
Bigjakkstaffa
08-04-2004, 08:35 PM
1024x768, High Detail, 8xAF, V-Sync diabled. XP2400+ @ 2.25Ghz, 9800Pro @ 396/381, 512mb PC2700
FPS' in non-combat situations are a steady 50-65 FPS, during combat this drops to around 45FPS. I've not been able to get any gains out of the various "wondertweaks" floating aroudn and am still getting a few "caching stutters" here and there, but i suspect thats my 166Mhz FSB catching me out :(
As a word of interest to y'all, overclocking components wont do much for peoples performance, one guy i read about pumped an extra 350Mhz out of his XP2500+ and got a whopping 1fps increase for his trouble. This seems to be a game whose performance is more dependant on a well balanced system than having a few shiznit hot components.
--Jakk:t
FPS' in non-combat situations are a steady 50-65 FPS, during combat this drops to around 45FPS. I've not been able to get any gains out of the various "wondertweaks" floating aroudn and am still getting a few "caching stutters" here and there, but i suspect thats my 166Mhz FSB catching me out :(
As a word of interest to y'all, overclocking components wont do much for peoples performance, one guy i read about pumped an extra 350Mhz out of his XP2500+ and got a whopping 1fps increase for his trouble. This seems to be a game whose performance is more dependant on a well balanced system than having a few shiznit hot components.
--Jakk:t
too_much
08-04-2004, 08:50 PM
Interesting point there Jakk, I read somewhere very recently (Can't for the life of me remember where - I spend more time online than offline, I read a lot!) that someone senior from ID software was saying that overclocked systems may run worse or at least experience problems with Doom3, and it's best to run at stock for best stability...
Now, while I realise that the latter point is somewhat stating the obvious in the grand scheme of things, I still find it curious that they found a lot of overclocked systems having problems, or no increase in performance.
When taking my rig from it's total stock, to the amount I overclock it, I notice a lot of benchmarking differences, so I would assume that this would affect gameplay too...
If I'm honest, I don't particularly notice in game difference when overclocked - I simply clock and tweak until my 3dMark is at it's highest, stable. To me, this means that my rig is running at its best, from what I see to be a logical perspective.
That's something I'll have to test - Does overclocking my cpu, ram, and vpu even make a significant difference? I just assumed so, but I get great satisfation from doing it. Thing is, it's not all about fps is it... For me, I'd like to have a reasonable FPS but with the nicest graphical quality I can. 90fps is no fun if it looks like you're playing on a ZX Spectrum, as equally "Ultra" nice graphics are no use with 10fps!
If overclocking allows me to run the likes of Doom3 and HLs at nicer graphical settings with reasonable FPS, with as little stuttering as possible, then I shall continue to do so! My extra half gig ram arrives in the morning so it'll be nice to see how much of a stutter I cut out of BF:Vietnam ;)
Anyway, I'm liking this thread, but I'm gona wait for the official 4.9's :)
Now, while I realise that the latter point is somewhat stating the obvious in the grand scheme of things, I still find it curious that they found a lot of overclocked systems having problems, or no increase in performance.
When taking my rig from it's total stock, to the amount I overclock it, I notice a lot of benchmarking differences, so I would assume that this would affect gameplay too...
If I'm honest, I don't particularly notice in game difference when overclocked - I simply clock and tweak until my 3dMark is at it's highest, stable. To me, this means that my rig is running at its best, from what I see to be a logical perspective.
That's something I'll have to test - Does overclocking my cpu, ram, and vpu even make a significant difference? I just assumed so, but I get great satisfation from doing it. Thing is, it's not all about fps is it... For me, I'd like to have a reasonable FPS but with the nicest graphical quality I can. 90fps is no fun if it looks like you're playing on a ZX Spectrum, as equally "Ultra" nice graphics are no use with 10fps!
If overclocking allows me to run the likes of Doom3 and HLs at nicer graphical settings with reasonable FPS, with as little stuttering as possible, then I shall continue to do so! My extra half gig ram arrives in the morning so it'll be nice to see how much of a stutter I cut out of BF:Vietnam ;)
Anyway, I'm liking this thread, but I'm gona wait for the official 4.9's :)
Someone Stupid
08-05-2004, 02:17 AM
I wish I could answer your above question, but I do know that for 9800's, it sucks up major GPU cycles as I had to lower my core (albeit already a bit toasted, but working) to 400 and I'm using a dedicated watercooling line and a peltier. Running at 445-455 that I can run everything else at, including FarCry is artifact free, in Doom 3, complete lockup 30 seconds in every single time though no artifacts. VPU recovery is disabled as is fast writes and I tried both 4x and 8x AGP. Then after it locks up, I have to reset even though the sound is going and I can manage after some fighting to close the window, just it doesn't reset the graphics settings, so the monitor is out of sync, reboot. At least that problem is fixed by a drop in clock speeds.
I'm running the 4.7's and I get the caching deal every now and then. Maybe twice a level. I'm running with a bit more ram though. That may help out some there Jakk, though I can't justify an 80 to 150 dollar purchase to stop a couple stutters.
I'm running at 400/380 at 1024x768, High Detail, 4x/8x 60 FPS (VSYNC'ed) without any creatures in most areas and a low of 35 with enemies on the screen. If I drop it to 2x/8x my low is about 45 FPS. 2500@2.3 with 1.5 gigs ram. I think I'll be holding off quite a bit longer on a new card with how things are shaping up.
I'm running the 4.7's and I get the caching deal every now and then. Maybe twice a level. I'm running with a bit more ram though. That may help out some there Jakk, though I can't justify an 80 to 150 dollar purchase to stop a couple stutters.
I'm running at 400/380 at 1024x768, High Detail, 4x/8x 60 FPS (VSYNC'ed) without any creatures in most areas and a low of 35 with enemies on the screen. If I drop it to 2x/8x my low is about 45 FPS. 2500@2.3 with 1.5 gigs ram. I think I'll be holding off quite a bit longer on a new card with how things are shaping up.
too_much
08-05-2004, 08:54 AM
Yeah, I spoke to Jakk in PM about it and he made a very good point - As a result of him educating me (:D) I'll be waiting for the R500 to make an appearance, because our current "Top level" cards will undoubtedly drop greatly in price, much like the 9800 did rather quickly!
To be honest, I could have sold my current card and bought a 9800pro by adding some money on top, but I opted to buy another half gig ram instead. This is a move I think I was wise to make :p I'm really impressed at how my (tyan Tachyon G9600pro etc etc) has shaped up, and performance in Doom3 (I had a friend bring a copy home from Florida) has been impressive to say the least. Granted this is no mean feat, but I play it at 1024x768, medium detail, no AA/AF that I'm aware of, and I generally get 60fps (vsync) most places with a drop down to 40~ in action areas.
At high detail it ran at about an average 20fps lower but it was surprisingly playable... But yeah, my point is that I assumed my 9600 would either explode, or just plod along like a Kyro 4000, but it's been great, and HL2 performance should be better; fingers crossed!
I'm about to install the new ram, and I'm gona do tons of tests and benchmarks and mess around with things, test my overclocking success in a little more detail, I'm intrigued now! God I love computers :D (I don't know much about them, but hey, every day you learn something new right?)
too_much :)
To be honest, I could have sold my current card and bought a 9800pro by adding some money on top, but I opted to buy another half gig ram instead. This is a move I think I was wise to make :p I'm really impressed at how my (tyan Tachyon G9600pro etc etc) has shaped up, and performance in Doom3 (I had a friend bring a copy home from Florida) has been impressive to say the least. Granted this is no mean feat, but I play it at 1024x768, medium detail, no AA/AF that I'm aware of, and I generally get 60fps (vsync) most places with a drop down to 40~ in action areas.
At high detail it ran at about an average 20fps lower but it was surprisingly playable... But yeah, my point is that I assumed my 9600 would either explode, or just plod along like a Kyro 4000, but it's been great, and HL2 performance should be better; fingers crossed!
I'm about to install the new ram, and I'm gona do tons of tests and benchmarks and mess around with things, test my overclocking success in a little more detail, I'm intrigued now! God I love computers :D (I don't know much about them, but hey, every day you learn something new right?)
too_much :)
Rabbitrunner51
08-05-2004, 08:49 PM
The most logical and best bet IS to do any system upgrades like more ram ....better HD or other goodies before getting a top end video card........It just makes sense....
I certainly hope the prices drop soon as I want the 6800GT model sometime and $470.00 is a bit much for me right now....as my current card is still not ready for the scrap heap yet....It plays everything very well and reasonable high setttings...and I think even Doom 3 will be OK for now when I get it..... 2X or 4X AA and AF. will do just fine at the 1024X768 settings...good enough...
I certainly hope the prices drop soon as I want the 6800GT model sometime and $470.00 is a bit much for me right now....as my current card is still not ready for the scrap heap yet....It plays everything very well and reasonable high setttings...and I think even Doom 3 will be OK for now when I get it..... 2X or 4X AA and AF. will do just fine at the 1024X768 settings...good enough...
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