Ok...im having trubles! hehe very much! first of all, i think there is a heating problem with my comp, the case is warm!! i mean it's getting hot and hot, and the powersupply is emitting heat aswell which is weird!! second of all, i have a new ati radeon 9600XT card and i cant install the drives, IM AFRAID! cause when i do, the whole scren gets filled with lines, cross hatches, choped images and all....what do i do? no it's not overclocked, cause i just build this system and there is no way that i could have done that...
Specs: P4 2.8 Ghz FSB800 MHz w/1M cache
Asus P4C800 Delux
Kingston 512 Mem
Maxtor SATA 120 GiG HD
ATI Radeon 9600XT 128MB
if anyone has this board, can you please tell me if there is something i should install for my SATA HD on this motherboard, i have one drive as you can see, so NO RAID!!
-AlBERT
RockNRoll
05-29-2004, 06:28 PM
Ah the fun of building PC's. I've been wanting to build one for a week now but I don't have parts. LOL.
Ok... First of all... Do you have a fan or heatsink on the processor? Or a Fan/Heatsink combo?
Rob R.
05-29-2004, 06:52 PM
Boot up the machine and go into the BIOS. This is usually done by hitting the delete key during POST. Now go to PC Health and monitor the PC temperatures. Report back what you find after it runs a few minutes.
What PSU are you using? If you bought a 380W or higher, they put out some heat and it's no big deal. A byproduct of energy is heat you know ;)
Single SATA drives can be a real heel to install, refer to the motherboard manual for instructions (you know, the one you have already read from cover to cover). ;)
When you build a computer and prove it posts and has no heat problems, follow these simple steps.
- install OS
- install motherboard drivers
- Check the device manager for any other missing drivers and address them now.
- Check the driver versions for any you need to update.
- Now run through simple tweaks like adjusting virtual memory size, etc.
At this point you are ready to install the rest of your programs and enjoy your new computer.
*TeKKeD*
05-29-2004, 07:58 PM
umm well manual read! :)
Ok first of all...besed on my ASUSprobe program (which is used to measure temperatures on my computer) it reads this:
CPU: 44C/111F
Motherboard:28C/84F
and for some odd reason only the bios and not this program seems to detect my actuall cpu fan speed.
and yes i have a heatsink/fan combo the interl certified one that comes with the cpu!..but i still think the cpu is getting a little tooo hot based on my touching the case analysis...also what are normal cpu temps supposed to be? and can you recommend any heatsink fan combo that will support 2.8GiG CPU's?
third thing, and most important! graphic card, works, but i had to downgrade the "Hardware Acceleration" bar in the display options menu..which is odd! if i have it running at full the screen and icons will have lines going through them and mixed colors!! which is strange! there is nothing about this on ati's or asuses websites..
so im going to see about updateing my BIOS, and see if that solves anything or does anyone have any suggestions???
and why are Single SATA drives can be a real heel to install besides plugin' in the little red cable to the approprite slot on the mobo and back to the hd aswell as the power connector, nothing else was mentioned in the manual! should there be special drivers in order to use sata drives???
thanks for helping out :)))
bassman
05-29-2004, 08:24 PM
lOriginally posted by *TeKKeD*
CPU: 44C/111F
Motherboard:28C/84F
What's wrong with that?
Rabbitrunner51
05-30-2004, 10:31 AM
That is a high reading from a P4 2.8 processor....while not critical ..it should be lower on idle with nothing making it work hard..like a game or something...
I have that processor and a similar ASUS Mobo ..and the porcessor stays at 30 degrees fairly constant..and never over 32 degrees...
The stock heatsink and fan housing work real well on those...and makes me wonder if either the CPU install did not have enough thermal on it or if some device in the Mobo ..such as Video card or one of the drives isn't over working itself for some reason
Alot of times..as i had this happen..the second reason above is a distinct possibility...when every thing works in your sytem smoothly ..temperatures should be pretty low...
It could also just be a thing with the C model for this board
Your CPU has the 1 MB cache and this may just be how these run ..a little warm...
*TeKKeD*
05-30-2004, 03:26 PM
Rabbitrunner51 !! that's exactly right! i mean i can feel the heat that's being exahusted form the powersupply fan heating up my legs, and that' is not normal! on ideal. like right now i have a few minor programs like winamp, messanger, getright, icq, etc running in the task bar and this webpage open and the reading according to ASUS Probe..is 41C/105F which is HIGH!!!!!! i mean i wana use the comp for gaming and all, and with these temperatures, thats not going to happen without my fryin the cpu! well for the stock heatsink/fan...i removed the aluminum sticker under the heatsink and got some sort of no name compound from a friend and just splattered that on, and i put quite a bit too..like all sides of the cpu..which is usully more than enugh or too much!hehehe and i noticed that the temp went down for as much as 10C! which is amazing if ask me! but none the less i think i should get another heatsink/fan...with that in mind i wonder, do i still have to add more of that cooling compound on the cpu when adding the newheatsink/fan combo..?????
and for some stupid odd reason, the asus motherboard wont let me load my ati radeon 9600Xt;s drivers!! when i do it just goes wacko!! this sucks!!
JediOfDarkness
05-30-2004, 08:16 PM
Well, first of all you're not going to "fry" your processor unless it gets to about 90c. And 40-50c is good, nothing wrong with that. You could, of course, have better, but it's nothing at all to worry about. Try buying a new HSF combo from http://www.newegg.com if it worries you nonetheless.
Rabbitrunner51
05-30-2004, 08:25 PM
Good point! After reading the post I wrote it occured to me that quite possibly the heatsinkand fan mmay not be good or running properly...Not a bad idea to get another one...if you feel as though some other makeer of one is fine ..then do that...It really could not hurt the issue.and I think this could be the issue..
41 degrees is not that high..but i might be concerned with what it is after running an intensive game that sucks resources..or program.Mine goes up to 41-42 upon heavy use in running certain things....but nevr on idle...My CPU is ruing at 27-30 degrees now..as is my Mobo.
There is no need to overapply the thermal paste..and i would recommend the use a proven compound..and only cover the bottom with a smooth thin to medium layer...not gobbs of..don't get silly with such an intricate part of your system...
Not every part or Mobo is perfect by any means and it could be the Mobo is less than perfect..but I tend to think this is not the issue...ASUS makes good products that don't fail very often.
JediOfDarkness
05-30-2004, 08:34 PM
Went ahead and looked around on NewEgg and found this: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-032&depa=1
Has a high air flow, though it can be very loud at high speeds. Just a sacrifice you have to make: quite PC or cool PC. And Thermaltake is very trusted brand of cooling, so you should have no trouble with it whatsoever.
Rabbitrunner51
05-30-2004, 08:59 PM
Great find! I like it! Thermaltake makes some really great products...Ihave their case and Power supply..and nothing but quality...
If not for the fact tht my hetsink and fan are working quiet and really cool..I would get that one myself...
*TeKKeD*
05-31-2004, 04:29 AM
thanks guys :)
about the thermal paste compound! so if i was to buy a new heatsink say like the one from new egg..and it either comes with the tape at the bottom of the heatsink or comes with an extra pack of thermal paste..what do i do about the paste already on the cpu...add to it, remove it (HOW?) or just leave it and add the heatsink/fan combo as is?
Yes im concerend with it! but also i think that, the powersuppy is not supplying enugh power...could this cause the cpu to work harder and heat up even more so?
crusious31
05-31-2004, 06:37 AM
Read this link, it is good to know. All Thermal Compounds can be treated the same way during the application process.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
This is what most recommend.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-100-007&depa=0
missiveusa
05-31-2004, 10:21 AM
besides plugin' in the little red cable to the approprite slot on the mobo and back to the hd aswell as the power connector, nothing else was mentioned in the manual! should there be special drivers in order to use sata drives???
When installing Windows XP you must load SATA drivers by keying F6 (?) at the hardware setup (blue) screen. Also set SCSI device to boot in BIOS. See this forum (http://www.nforcershq.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=13) for info on SATA drives with Asus A7N8X boards.
Judging by the forums, single SATA drives are a bit of a headache to install.
dajogejr
05-31-2004, 11:29 AM
You only need to F6 the install IF you're gonna use the SATA drive as your Windows OS disk, or...if you're gonna boot windows from it.
I agree...Missiv...there is a lot on these forums about SATA in these new mobos.
But...I've built three SATA combos, two in RAID 0, and haven't had a problem.
I think the two issues are this:
Make sure the jumper is enabled on the mobo.
and...
Make sure you have the correct drivers on a floppy when you install XP.
Tekked:
Are you still having problems installing your vid card. This thread is bouncing back and forth a bit.
And...do you have a couple of case fans in this case, to circulate cool air?
RockNRoll
05-31-2004, 03:28 PM
Yes, there should be some case fans... Or vents. And make sure nobody blocked any of them with anything, because sometimes the vents come covered with a rubber flap thing on the inside of the case.
Also, that little switch box on the mobo for the Mhz setting; make sure it's at the appropriate setting for your CPU.
About your vid card... First, did you install the newest version of DirectX from your vid card's driver CD?
Or if it still doesn't work, check your monitors refresh rate. Sometimes the "optimum" setting works, but if it doesn't try 60hz or 70hz (60hz usually good).
I had a problem with a 16MB Banshee card when all you could see was lines on the screen. So had to change the monitor refresh rate in Safe Mode and it works fine now.:)
*TeKKeD*
05-31-2004, 04:19 PM
First off i wana thank everyone who is takein part in helping me out! i appriciate it alot!
ok as for the video card, i think it's busted! meaning, not working condition! i took it to a coloegues work place, where he had the ASUS P4C800-E Deluxe mobo, 3.0Gig P4 CPU and 1GIG of DDRAM and the card, upon initial boot, had distortions on the screen started to appear almost immediatly!! which sucks! so i know fo sho that either it's this! 1) the card is gone! (which is probably not the case) 2) my ASUS motherboard, does not support it!
as far as the cooling, i have one intake fan infront of thecase, and yet to install a new exhaust fan at rear of the case..but the PSU has an internal fan that sucks air from the inside, near the cpu fan/heatsink, and another fan at the outter part of the case (this is on the psu) that exhausts the air out! which is still not good enught 45C with a few webpages, icq, norton anti-virus, and maybe some music...that's not the right temp, i mean i dont even wana imagine what it will be like when i try and play some games...yikes!!!
which i find strange considering the fact that it's a stock intel made for 2.8 CPU's fan/heatsink combo! what's wrong>?
as for the SATA drives, well im using them now, i installed it without pressing the F6 button and all...so was i supposed to press F6 wait to be prompted and put in the asus mobo drivers disk, cause i got no disk with the HD, it bought it in bulk stock!! i mean what happens if i jsut installed windows on the disk without going through the mentioned procedures? have i lost performance/security/stability..can anyone give details...or even a link to where i can read more about this...ill also check out the MAXTOR website if they have anything on SATA drives, like a tutorial or info...
thank you all VERY MUCH!! this fourm is the best!
-Albert
ps. im getting an GeForce 4 5700 Ultra 128Mb, i should have never turned my back on Nvidia, ATI does defeintly suck! sorry!
G
05-31-2004, 05:40 PM
Your motherboard has issues with respect to video. If the motherboard is V1.2 then you need V2.0.
ASUS will not replace the motherboard if this is the case.
Therefore, if you and your friend both have V1.2 then you c cannot eliminate the GA yet.
dajogejr
06-01-2004, 01:42 AM
You may be using that SATA drive in windows...but, you couldn't have installed Windows to it. In other words...you're not booting from it.
The driver wouldn't have come with the drive...rather the mobo. Bulk or not, you could have easily downloaded the SATA/RAID driver from Asus' site..but, no worries. It either works...or doesn't.
Yes, your PSU has a fan, for itself. Another exaust fan installed under the PSU will help get some of that warm air out of the case.
I think your temps are ok...but, an exhaust fan won't hurt...
Nvidia and ATI both make fine cards. I ran Nvidia for a while, no complaints. But...I couldn't pass up the deal I got on my ATI card...it will last me quite a while, as my old Nvidia card did!
It sounds like you might have gotten a bad ATI card out of the box. Any computer part manufacturer is guilty of this, some more than others...it happens....
Your mobo will support any current and most non-current AGP based 4X or 8X graphics cards...
*TeKKeD*
06-03-2004, 04:30 AM
Well for heat aspect of this computer, i mean i dont like it being so high as 55C i just dont get it! i want it to be 44-48MAX! i mean it's aroudn that temp when i have a few websites open, winamp, icq, msn messanger, norton anti-virus, pc proble...etc so i wana know if there is a heatsink like the zelman flower, i think that's what it's called, is that any good, i want really good cooling on the cpu, but low fan noise, so i guess i want a really good heatsink!
btw...a friend of mine has advised me not to run the ASUS PC Probe program, which i use to get readings for my computer on temps and useage of resources...does anyone this this program is a problem?
the video card i returned...it's either gonna get fixed, getting a new one, refund, or a glourious nvidia product *sigh*
-AlBERT
G
06-03-2004, 04:48 AM
Zalman Flower CNPS7000A-AlCu 'Silent' CPU Cooler (The hybrid Al/Cu is within specified weight parameters. The Cu is not)
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
This is a nice setup
For cooling, the following software will reduce heat and noise and monitor temperatures too. This is what I use. I have not gone for the hardware probes as my bays are full and I do not need a hardware probe anyway.
SpeedFan V4.12 (freeware)
http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
CPUIdle Extreme (uncrippled shareware)
http://www.cpuidle.de/
Motherboard Monitor:
http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
*TeKKeD*
06-03-2004, 05:18 AM
G Thanks so much your the best!!!!
Can i ask another question aswell...since i have already added some no-name thermal compound to the cpu already, if i was to buy the zelman with the quiet fan...and add some of that artic silver compound, would i have to remove the compound i have already on the cpu? if so, with what? and if not, will it damage it in any way, if i just added a dab, of artic silver coumpound onto the already existing coumpund, so like a small little dab just as suggested on the coolermaster website for artic silver?
Thanks :)
-AlBERT
Rabbitrunner51
06-03-2004, 06:23 AM
TeKKeD...you will probably want to remove the old compound as much as you can...yes...but watch that you do not scratch the surface much at all when doing so ( warm water and use a non abrasive pad to remove or whatever.....
On the bottom of the heatsink..apply a thin even layer on it....no need to overdo it.. and install....no trick to it..
Some poeple might think that the more is better ..but that is not so...simple logic here...
have you searched some other sites or found any info about other users of this board?? and what there temps are???uisng the processor you got??
If , after doing all this and using the new heatsink fan assembly ..it still is high ....then there might be a problem somewhere else..like maybe a slightly defective processor or something..it happens..every once in awhile..more than likely the Mobo is amiss
With respect to cleaning agents, I cannot find one on Newegg.com. Some members will be able to help here though and it is important that you clean the residual compound of off the CPU heat spreader and your old HSF block.
Now this thermal cleaner is citric based and I have read on AR’s site not to use them so may be someone can advise you on this.
Wear a surgical glove (this stops the compound getting on your hands and getting everywhere). It also prevents contaminants mixing with AR 5.
Place a very small amount on the Zalman base. Using your rubber-gloved hand, rub a very very small amount over the surface area slightly greater than the heat spreader of your CPU.
Now use a lint free cloth and rub the AR 5 off the base of the Zalman base. The idea is to have enough AR 5 to make contact with the main compound on the CPU heat spreader.
Now place a reasonable amount on the CPU heat spreader and ensure that it is completely covered in AR5. The rule I use is to spread it over with my gloved figure so that there is a reasonable layer of paste covering.
What you do not want is too much compound so that it becomes viscous and migrates to tracers on the motherboard.
For this reason I run in my CPUs once connected to the Zalman, in the horizontal position while doing other things, e.g., dinner, studying etc, some hours. Spend as much time running the CPU in the horizontal position. Any residue compound that could have seep out on to tracers on the motherboard with fill up the microscopic pits on the surface of the CPU head spreader and Zalman base instead.
If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to get ion contact.
*TeKKeD*
06-07-2004, 09:03 AM
Hey i do have another question, is it worth purchasing an artic silver compound aswell, since the zelman comes with it's on pre-packaged in the box? it's not artic but im sure it's not any different,...
also, every review i read, my mobo is like the best! but i dont think of it like that, i mean its' slow! sometimes it take a while to click on a button and stuff... i mean...even on my 2.6 P4 at work, everything just flys i mean every programs just wizzes by..which is strange considering that fact that i have a really good mobo and a supper nice cpu 2.8 with 1MB of L2 cache which is supposed to work fastttt!! i installed the cpuideal, but althogh the temps droped somewhat, most of the time i just stalled my system and kept using 55% of my system resources....and had to shut it down to get my comp back to working speed of the comp!
ok someone mentioned not enught cooling in the case, i have the chenbro spider, which had really nice reviews on the net for it's price and cooling and overall case specs were good...is there a way to measure or a program to see which hardware is the bottleneck in the system or which hardware could be damaged or possibly not functioning as should be???
Thanks :)
RockNRoll
06-07-2004, 06:38 PM
This is definitely strange... I wouldn't think you should need all that extra stuff.
Have you had anyone from a PC place look at it?
I've got a PIII 600 with only a heatsink on it and an intake fan on the case in front of it. And a 64 mb GFX card with a heatsink and mine is running real cool.:confused:
So if you've got like, a heatsink and 3 fans... Why should you have to put all that cooling compound and all?:eek:
dajogejr
06-08-2004, 02:07 AM
RNR...
Whether you realize it or not...your CPU and HS have either a thermal pad or thermal compound...period.
The die on the CPU needs to have this to dissipate heat.
*TeKKeD*
06-08-2004, 04:00 AM
Well i think most of my problems, being that the comp runs nice and sloowwww..is probably due to the underpowered power supply, which is supposed to be 320watts but has a total output of 183!!! yes that is messed up!! that's taiwan for ya! anyways...im getting a cheiftec 400Watt (REAL WATTS) PSU and that should help fix the juices flowing in and out problem...as as for the cooling. a i have a P3 800 with 512mgs of ram....it has once coolermaster fan/heatsink combo in the who case, and the smallest vent holes in the world! and i have never had problems with it, never heated up...but i guess these new p4 prescott cpu's need "EXTRA" cooling!!!
Rabbitrunner51
06-08-2004, 07:59 AM
I think you might have brought up the most important point to date..about this situation..and don't know if you mentioned this before..about your power supply...This is very critical..and that alone would cause your problem...and make everything run hot...of course it would! I suggest any good Power supply with at least 420 watts and above...I use this amount forf reasons of the wattage usage..which mine is close to this use and i have two HD's and two CD-R type players with a upper end video card...
If any component is not getting the constant and fairly even supply it is supposed to have to it...the nall the workings an componenets suffer too..alongside this...as a whole....
I would by all means invest in this element first ..and then check your results..again...there should be a huge difference..
note: and yes..the prescotts run at a higher temp. overall then their predesessors..which is the one I have using the northwood core...and have a smaller die and architechture..which means it works just as hard with less surface space...ect..
*TeKKeD*
06-10-2004, 05:26 AM
yea this guy is supposed to be getting me a new 420 watt psu, for some unknow maker says it's good, although the **** thing weights nearly 5 pounds, is that normal? umm so yea...
i read this article if the psu is cheap and not able to handle all the voltage coming in and out of the psu, it gets hot and has to cool it's self, and i think in the process of getting hot, it's also throwing that heat at my cpu!!
thanks for the tips i should look into an Cheiftec or Enermax...and maybe even those Coolermaster ones are nice but pricey!!
*TeKKeD*
06-10-2004, 05:59 AM
Oh can anyone recommend a PSU/POWE SUPPLY Brand..??? Eneremx, Cheiftec, CoolerMaster? can anyone recommend the best one, i have 1 120 Gig Drive, 2 CD-RW/DVD Drives, 2.8P4, ASUS Mobo, ATI 9600XT 128MEG!! so lots of power consumtion and i plan to add another 120 gig HD and a DVD-RW aswell!! so im looking for something 400WATTS and more!! but i want a really stable, quiet and performance kind of psu, im willing to trade of the noise for stable power flow within the psu and well build aswell!?!
ps. im in europe, so you europeans, what do you use, which is the best?
-AlBERT
Rabbitrunner51
06-10-2004, 07:38 AM
The basic rule is the heavier the PS ..the better it is.but personally that doesn't seem like a very scientific analysis...Enermax.Antec or Thermaltake are real good power supplies and I am sure there are others also...like the ones from PCpower... Whe I got mine which is a TT dual fan Purepower..it weighed a ton also..and just felt and looked like a very good product and it has been..no real fluctuations to report...and I know i have it close to and maybe even over the total capacity right now and that tells me something...
If you have a prescott CPU..let me emphasize once more that they do run a bit hotter than the others..so just get the power supply and things should improve....
I was just playing this real intensive scene from a game I got where the graphics were really buzzing ( very busy and intense) and my CPU skyrocketed to over 50 degrees celcius..which is pretty normal..but what impreses me is that when I exit the game..the system goes right back to the 28-30 degree range...very stable indeed...
Enermax is supposed to be the leader if not in the top two list of PS's.Get that if tthe cost is no real issue...a bit more..but you get what you pay for.....
dajogejr
06-10-2004, 08:09 AM
Antec is really my favorite...they're readily available, and are good...quality units for a fair price.
If money was not object, I'd head over to www.pcpowerandcooling.com
Most here will agree...although pricey, they are the best out.
Fortron, Sparkle and Enermax all are fine offerings, as well.
Fortron make some darn good PSUs, often are underrated in their power output...and very moderately priced...
*TeKKeD*
06-10-2004, 09:16 AM
Well i already made up my mind (sorry) oppurtunity came and went with it! i got a really nice offer for a 420Watt CHEIFTEC, they are the company that makes the nice and well known dragon tower cases, Alienware used them quite a bit 2 years or so ago! and now i have one of these power supplies that came with them...
here is the link to the power supplies page:
http://www.chieftec.com/products/psu/DPSII%20PSU.htm
Has some niffty features, but id still like to get an opinion on it, if anyone has had good experinces or even bad ones too!!
Thanks very much for all the help! this forum rocks! :)
Rabbitrunner51 yea i wish i could get an Enermax! power supply but it's hard for me to find one where i live!!
dajogejr: thanks for the link, thats a wicked site!! yea as i was telling rabbitrunner51 just above, that if i could have found it i would without a doubt bought it! but the options are limited :(
_AlBERT_
Rabbitrunner51
06-10-2004, 12:29 PM
Looks good and some really nice specs.. I'm sure this will do just fine....Enjoy! ( Looks alot like the one I have...the dual fans are a must have )
*TeKKeD*
06-10-2004, 12:56 PM
Hey thanks for the help! ummm i donno if i did everything right...i mean when i started up the comp, i went straight to the BIOS, and checked CPU temps...it was high...moving as high as 52-53C!!! this is on start up that's not normal or is it>>>im really concerend with this heat thing!! i mean...i hooked up the mobo, the cpu power, the 2 cd-rw's, and this time around i used the sata powercable that came with this powe supply unlike the older one which had a standard power connection jack same as the cd-rw's...and i also connected the cpu fan cable into the jack on the mobo that says Cpu_fan...and also there was another fan like cable with this perticular psu...and i connected this to the chassis fan jack on the mobo, or where would that go>???HELLPPPP!!
mrrobotto
06-10-2004, 01:29 PM
The lead you are referring to coming from the psu should go the the fan connector on the mobo labeled pwr. As for the temp of the cpu that does seem a little high for startup. Did you use the stock hsf that came with the cpu?
*TeKKeD*
06-10-2004, 03:49 PM
Ok for some wierd reason the temps have JUMPED!! i just installed cpuidel and the temps went down 7C which is good! but it's jumping back and forth between 46 and 49 even 51 according to Motherboard Monitor!!
i used this thermal paste 3 weeks ago on the cpu and when i took a look at the cpu today, it was melted everywhere...right to the edges of the cpu, i took a napkin and cleaned the heating off nicely, and big parts of the cpu's edges where junks where left..i know a napkin was not the best thing to use but it was the only thing i had at the time!!!
ok i have an idea...what if i get this thermal compound stuff out! what can i use that is safe and i can get in the local stores so i can remove this **** and get another heatsink with a thermal pad! i hate this! my friend has the same cpu, actually it's a 3.02 or something with 512 cache.. and it works fine!! what have i done wrong that mine is getting some freakin hot all the time, i even had to take out the new psu..cause it got soo hot i burnt my hand!!!!!!!!...
i mean and my friend is using the standard heatsink/fan combo he got with the cpu!!!
is it the board, the psu cant be cause i used two different ones..one rated at 384 and the other at 417 watts!! is the heatsink/fan//i changed these twice now aswell!!!
>help you pc hardware experts<
_AlBERT
dajogejr
06-10-2004, 04:42 PM
Tekked...two things.
How much goop did you apply?
Head over here and apply your new compound accordingly.
Also...I use automotive brake cleaner for cleaning CPUs and HSF.
It dries very quickly, and does not contain oils...
Spray some on a rag, wipe accordingly.
51C under loads is no big deal.
What are your idle tems and your loaded temps, in Celsius, please.
Also...without re-reading this whole thread...
Is this thing overclocked?
RockNRoll
06-10-2004, 07:47 PM
Hmmm, I didn't know that...
But I mean, if it's got some already, then why should he need to add more if it's working properly. That's what leads me to believe something is wrong. Not just cooling.
dajogejr
06-10-2004, 07:52 PM
Add more??
No....clean off what is on there, and start over...not add more.
And, yep...too much thermal compound will actually make it run warmer...
And...as mentioned...51C is not that warm, especially now that it's summertime.
Closer to 60C under load...now...that's a little warm.
Rabbitrunner51
06-10-2004, 08:36 PM
A couple of small but important info bits....
Like dajogjr says ...be sure to start over with the cleaning and clean the bottom of the heatsink real good with either what he uses or some achohol solution.... apply only a thin even layer of thermal paste...not gobs of..
The CPU sensor that I use is located between the heatsink and the CPU ..and if this is not positioned correctly( can be trickoy to get it in there ) ,then your readings could be off kilter..or not show a trrue reading...Of course if it says it in the bios..then something is amiss....
Being no expert...but I would think a temp of about 40-48 derees is fairly normal for those CPU's...
Another important point is the way the fan assembly is working for the CPU. Stock kits like the one that comes with the CPU should be sufficient and work fine...I have the same CPU( but a Northwood) and HS fan assembly on mine and it works real well....
This is an all new assembly with the parts you ordered right??
Are the Hard drives configured and working properly?? If some component is not hooked up or woking as required..this and other componenets can cause the CPU to work much harder..thus creating more heat...
Give us another list of what you have and have hooked up.
I can feel for you alot..as I do not have the most patience with things myself sometimes and its very dissapointing when you spend all that money for a good product and it does not work porperly....You will get it solved eventually,I'm sure.
Have your friend look it all over and see what he can find...and anybody else around who is a knowledgeable person with these things....
Hope things work out for you...:t
*TeKKeD*
06-11-2004, 03:40 AM
Hey guys thanks alot :)
well it was running o-k till i changed the psu...when i did so, the psu got sooo hot! it was scary i thought it would blow!!! the old psu has larger fans that work faster and has better air flow!!!
what kinda "stuff" should i use to remove that thermal compound off the heatsink and most importantly, without damaging, from the CPU!!!
than what i will do is get a new heatsink/cooler combo!! and use the heatsink with a pad on it not this compound stuff!!!
*TeKKeD*
06-11-2004, 05:11 AM
How can i determine if my CPU or motherboard and or even memory are causing this heat problem...could it be that the cpu is faulty...i mean i donno why should 512k of more cache make such more of difference in the heat dispenssion process than that of the same cpu with only half that cache???
what can i do to determind this?
G
06-11-2004, 06:00 AM
I gave you all the information in my posts on applying the Zalman (read instructions) and AS thermal paste (read instructions from link posted my myself and another member of this thread). Forget about the pads, in comparison it would be a poor choice and your CPU temps will not go down as much.
It sounds as if you have not read the AS instructions I posted as you should not have AS leakage like you have described.
All computers will run hot initially especially if you have the Prescott. The AS takes 200 hours to be optimal once running in so heat dissipation will be optimal then but it will still be ok to use your machine.
BIOS flash update, as this would have helped the temps, as the fixes are important in this respect. Follow your motherboard’s BIOS instructions to the letter.
Fans from the front drawing air in and back fans drawing air out. If you have a side fan turn it off as it confuses the airflow.
AS does not need to dry before placing the HSF on the installed CPU. Again follow my advice on BIOS and AS paste and it will work ok. AS has an instructions link, as mentioned, and there was one posted on your thread by another and me. Read this and look at the pictures for applying AS to HSF and CPU heat spreader.
Like spreading butter on bread. Just make sure there is enough butter so the bread does not show and no more. Apply this analogy to the thickness of AS paste to CPU head spreader. Think, “will the amount of AS applied cause leakage?”
Whenever you upgrade a motherboard of significance it is important to re-evaluate the PSU. My choice is Antec as they are of a very high standard, are readily available and so price competitive.
G
*TeKKeD*
06-11-2004, 08:41 AM
Thanks again for the help! i have read your posts!
I had applied thermal paste (of unknown kind) during the time of starting this thread! but since i tryed out the new psu last night i noticed it got extremly hot, on initial boot up, the temps were 48 going up and down between 49C and 51C! which im not fond of! anyways, i took the time to un-hook my heatsink/fan combo and check the cpu, which had it's whole plate melted with this thermal paste all right to the edges...and some leftovers, i took a few napkins and wiped the heatsink clean...and than with the edges of the napkin and went around the cpu metal plate, and cleaned of the chunkyer parts of the paste that looked like they were too much and took some of that and added that to the middle of the plate, and whatever else i got on the napkin was thrown out with the napkins...after re-installing cpuidealexteme...the temps were at 41C but in a split instant jumped to 49C and back to 42C but mostly remained at 42C..so without cpuideal the temps are the same at 49C!! i donno why this happend just cause i had used the new psu..or why??? with the old psu the temps were at 44C-47C mostly!
Thank you again for taking the time to help :)
dajogejr
06-11-2004, 08:55 AM
Well...I think we found your problem.
You do not use thermal paste and a compound pad at the same time.
One or the other.
I would clean off the CPU with rubbing alcohol and/or automotive brake clean.
Clean the HS, while you're at it.
Then...as said, follow the artic silver instructions for applying the thermal compound.
Just to clarify....
Thermal Compound is the little square pad (Solid material) that is applied normally to OEM heat sincs.
Thermal paste is a liquid form in a tube..normally silverish in color and texture....
JediOfDarkness
06-11-2004, 03:45 PM
One other thing that I thought of is you could try a copper CPU shim. They normaly do not decrese CPU temps by a lot, but they also do not at all hurt to have them on there, except maybe the fact that they can make it harder to install some HSFs. Also if you upgrade to a new HSF, like the one I pointed out earlier in this thread (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-106-032&depa=1), it should also help quite a bit with CPU temps. I have a Thermaltake Volcano 11+ on my Athlon XP 2400 @140x16 and on full speed I get an idle temp of 36c and at full clock I get a temp of 44-46c. I also have two Thermaltake Smart Case Fan II's, one blowing air in from the front and one blowing air out in the back. This keeps my whole computer happy.
See ya,
---Johnny
G
06-12-2004, 05:29 AM
I was under the impression that you had pulled off and then cleaned the pad off as described in one of my posts to this thread.
Unless you carry out the instruction to the letter that others and I have suggested then you are not going to succeed at all.
What will happen is that you will end up breaking something. You do not need a shim etc unless the CPU does not have a heat spreader that the Prescott does. Keep it simple.
Now you must understand that by going for the Prescott you were going to increase heat. This goes for the CPU itself but case temperatures too, which isn’t so great for the devises etc in the case. I would have gone for the Northwood equivalent.
Regardless of what you do you are not going to get the idle temperatures that you want. The Prescott over the Northwood gives you very little added performance but real heat problems.
Now you must follow our instructions.
Take off the Zalman HSF and CPU and give them a clean with a cleaning agent I have mentioned previously.
Follow the AS instructions, even if you simply use the Zalman paste. Use a liberal amount of paste (use common sense but the AS pictures will guide you).
Ensure that cables do not obstruct fans (in and out) and that the system has plenty of room to exhaust hot air from the exhaust fan. Moreover ensure that it isn’t to close to a heat source.
If the ambient temperature (room temperature) is high so will the case and CPU temperatures. Hot whether does that even in the UK. Get a fan blowing on the case towards the intake fans. This is what I do if things get warm to help out the old girl :D
missiveusa
06-12-2004, 10:15 AM
Best solutions I've found for cleaning cpu and heatsink are 99% isopropyl alcohol and pure mineral spirits (main ingredient in brake parts cleaner). The instructions at Arctic Silver (http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm) are very useful. Followed carefully, you won't go wrong.
girls_love
06-13-2004, 05:57 AM
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bushmaster
06-13-2004, 07:28 AM
DO NOT CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
*TeKKeD*
06-15-2004, 06:14 AM
k! thanks for all the help! especially G! you rule!!
i didnt want to go through all the truble, instead my computer parts guy *the one who sold me the cpu, heatsink/fan* offered me trade in the 2.8 with 1Meg of L2 cache with a 3.0Gig with only 512k of L2 cahce, and this came with a new and much improved heatsink/fan...and the heat accoring to Motherboard Monitor (the program as suggested by G!) is 31C !! WOW!! im happy now! and when i play games like Medal of Honor, Far Cry, GTA Vice City...the heat will go up as much as 45-47C!! which is not shabby! means i can do better, and i will improve this by improving the none-what-so-ever air circulation in the case, by adding one 80mm front case intake fan...and one 120mm outtake fan...the fans i have are not really intake outake desiged for, but just take it and change its position of blowing the heat...and it should work like a charm! ....i should also the mention that the new cpu is using it's standard heatsink and fan, and yes! a thermal pad, so whever the artic silver comes in, and the coolermaster aero or whatever fan...i should start to see cooliing resaults, that will be suitable for a possible Oc-ing potentioal :))) yup!
i donno if i should also looking into these HD coolers aswell???
ps. why should i not click the above link???
thanks to all for being so kik *** and supportive aswell!!
-AlBERT!!
G
06-20-2004, 07:14 AM
Anytime Albert, just give me a PM to the link and I will see if I can help.
I think the Northwood approach is the most prudent to go for. Performance of the Prescott over the Northwood is minimal but heat dissipation, as you have found to your cost Albert, is a real problem.
All the best, and enjoy your super fast PC at much lower temp
PS: Zalman gave a cheap and effective HDD cooler in the form of heat dissipation rails. Go for the more expensive version as if cost not much more. I am thinking of going with too this one. The best thing is that no fan and so additional noise to content with.