Norton Systemworks, Ghost & GoBack Questions

[kaydville]

Hello Again,
I working on a Pentium III WindowsMe compaq laptop. I have Norton Systemworks 2001 & Roxio GoBack 2.2 installed. I wanted to uninstall just the Norton Antivirus so that I could upgrade to Norton Internet Security 2003 for the newer antivirus and the firewall but keep the other Systemworks programs (Utilities, CleanSweep, Ghost and WinFax). But when I went to uninstall Norton Antivirus from the Systemworks through the control panel, it kept coming up as my Netscape program. So I know I need to do a manual uninstall. But I want to make a Ghost image of my hard drive first, something I've never done before.

Here are my questions:
1) Is it enough to disable GoBack when making a Ghost Image or do I have to uninstall it. I would really rather not uninstall GoBack because I'd like it to be running when I do the manual uninstall.
2) If it's necessary to uninstall GoBack: after I've made my image & manually uninstalled Systemworks-- in what order should I install GoBack, Norton Systemworks and Internet Security 2003?
3)Any tips on using Ghost would be appreciated. My laptop has 2 partitions that I will be backing up to a partition on a Windows 98se desktop pc.

I'm very concerned about this procedure because a previous GoBack disaster caused me some serious problems. I believe the problem was caused by a conflict with Systemworks during a reinstallation of the two programs following a hard drive format.

Thanks for your help,
Kay:confused:

[Ol'Tunzafun]

http://service4.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/2001101715043525

As for Ghost tips, keep it simple. Use the Floppy disks instead of the Windows interface and copy directly from one harddrive or partition to another harddrive or partition. CDRs and network connections are frought with hazards.

You can mount a laptop drive in the desktop with an adapter.
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10344935&loc=421

If I were in your shoes, I would save my data and format. Uninstalling NAV is far more difficult than removing a host of viruses.

[kaydville]

My apologies for posting to the wrong forum. After my last computer fiasco, I put the technical support forum in my favorites. I'll replace that link with one to the main forums page right away.

Thanks for the links, Tunzafun. I appreciate the help.

I have some questions about how I would setup the IDE Laptop Hard Drive Cable Adapter Converter that I'll post to the tech board.
Kay

[Ol'Tunzafun]

It sounds like you are using some older versions of these programs which complicates things a bit, so I am trying to keep it simple. I suggest separating the two processes of creating an image and copying that image over a network because I have found that to do both at the same time leads to unreliable results.
For one thing, you will have to find DOS drivers for your network cards because the image creation process is done in DOS.
The best way to use Ghost is to install the program in Windows and from that, create your DOS boot disk(s). Boot from this disk and create your image. It is pretty simple really. It boots to a simple graphical user interface. It is not necessary to work at a command prompt. You can then just copy the images over to the desktop in Windows through the wireless.
If you have enough room on those drives, boot from the disk, choose Partition to Image, select the drive you wish to copy (or image), select the destination drive, and hit the button.
So, when you right click on those two drives and choose Properties, what does it tell us about free space and used space?

I gave up on GoBack some time ago as it always seemed to be in the way, slowed things down, interfered with defragmenting and occasionally ate my partitions. I now use a simple, low overhead and very dependable backup utility called SyncBack which will also work well for synchronizing your laptop with your desktop.
http://www.2brightsparks.com/

Instead of installing NIS 2003, I would install the free AVG antivirus alongside the existing NAV and also the free ZoneAlarm or Outpost for firewall.

Free ZoneAlarm
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp?lid=zadb_zadown

Outpost
http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpost/#

AVG
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php

[kaydville]

Thanks for the info, Tonzafun. I know GoBack has its drawbacks and it has caused me some problems but I can't count the number of times it has saved my bacon.
I'm currently using Zonealarm. I bought the NIS 2003 because I couldn't see paying $19.00 to upgrade my 2001 subscription when I could upgrade to 2003 for $28.00. Of course, if I had realized what a colossal pain this would turn into, I probably would have forked over the $19.00.
Are you saying that I can run AVG alongside my Norton Systemworks, right now? If so, I may go ahead and do that as a stop-gap measure until I can get Norton uninstalled (after I get my system safely backed). I feel naked without current antivirus protection. Once I install AVG is it difficult to uninstall?

Thanks,
Kay

[europanorama]

Originally posted by Ol'Tunzafun
It sounds like you are using some older versions of these programs which complicates things a bit, so I am trying to keep it simple. I suggest separating the two processes of creating an image and copying that image over a network because I have found that to do both at the same time leads to unreliable results.
For one thing, you will have to find DOS drivers for your network cards because the image creation process is done in DOS.
The best way to use Ghost is to install the program in Windows and from that, create your DOS boot disk(s). Boot from this disk and create your image. It is pretty simple really. It boots to a simple graphical user interface. It is not necessary to work at a command prompt. You can then just copy the images over to the desktop in Windows through the wireless.
If you have enough room on those drives, boot from the disk, choose Partition to Image, select the drive you wish to copy (or image), select the destination drive, and hit the button.
So, when you right click on those two drives and choose Properties, what does it tell us about free space and used space?

I gave up on GoBack some time ago as it always seemed to be in the way, slowed things down, interfered with defragmenting and occasionally ate my partitions. I now use a simple, low overhead and very dependable backup utility called SyncBack which will also work well for synchronizing your laptop with your desktop.
http://www.2brightsparks.com/

Instead of installing NIS 2003, I would install the free AVG antivirus alongside the existing NAV and also the free ZoneAlarm or Outpost for firewall.

Free ZoneAlarm
http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/products/znalm/freeDownload.jsp?lid=zadb_zadown

Outpost
http://www.agnitum.com/products/outpost/#

AVG
http://www.grisoft.com/us/us_index.php

he is right, i also used nsystem works-i am still using it with nfirewall on my backup or additional pcs. i am now using avg(i would suggest you update to professional paid version), plus sygate(firewall). next time(new drive will see free outpost. i have disabled system restore(winme). goback is working instead. it was only one time(i dont remember on what occasion - this can be checked on internet when problems occur-)when i had to deactivate goback. nsworks was good but slowed down my machines. btw:be aware of using office together with winme. there is a long list of precausions to do.
if partitions are not too big and you have a burner. you can burn onto multiple disks(compressed. but this can be hazardous since not all compression levels worked fine. i could test this by imaging back to a backup-harddisk. all pcs are open! i doubt you have this privilegue.
if you have a burner built into your laptop i would like to have advice how big a partion can be to be copied onto multiple disks. how can we be sure that the images are safe. i would suggest to proceed imaging in all compresssion levels. i dont remember which level was critical- must check the files. anyhow: you will need at least ghost 2003 maybe 2002 is still working for burners. newer version 2003 does only use one type of bootdisk to save and ghost back.

[kaydville]

Thanks, europanorama, if I can't find away to use Ghost over my wireless connection to my desktop, I'll check out the newer versions of Ghost. Although, ukulele just shared a link to a program called Image For Windows that might solve my problems.
Kay

[europanorama]

another way is using an external harddisk with usb. i have not yet used one. this could be the simplest way.