install Second operation System?need help?!!

[Martin]

Am trying to install win NT 4 server as my second operation system..but it does not accept the partition am giving it..

OK.am using the 3 boot disk setup.
and made a ntfs partition with
partition magic 4.0
plz give some direction
tk

[Bleeding Edge]

NT needs to load itself onto a regular FAT16 partition. It will then give you a choice to make it into a NTFS partition.

Note:
Even after NT is installed with NTFS, it will keep a small FAT16 area to do its initial loading. Then it will perform a memory dump to NTFS and finish loading the OS -each time it starts.

Pretty niffty.

[Martin]

ok i think i got to that piont...now am at the piont to reboot..after copying files it ask to reboot ,,,,so i do it.but it does not
it's stack at "verify dmi pool data"......


my guess is that somehow i got no cd-rom support??????????????????????????????

[Stan]

Martin,

What are the spec of your PC ?
If it is EIDE all the way, you DO NOT need the 3 boot floppy disks.
I assume your PC is CD-Rom bootable (check the modo bios)
NT will load the necessary files from the CD rom.
You do not need to partition the hard disk, NT will do it for you.
You will be prompted with the partitionning of the HD, choose the size, then NT will ask you if you want to format/convert in NTFS partition.
NT is probably the easiest OS to install.

There is one issue if you have a SCSI-2 HD. NT does not have this driver by default and will "blue screen" if you boot the PC with the cd-rom.
The trick is to press F6 AS SOON AS the cd-rom is detected (during the boot-up process).
KEEP PRESSING F6 until you have entered the NT setup. NT will ask you to specifiy any additionnal drivers, press S, enter the floppy disk the the SCSI-2 drivers and you are done...

Any other question, just ask...

Stan

[Stan]

Martin,

My last comment, don't bother using Partition Magic... Let NT partition/format/convert your partitions

Stan

[Jin Vitas]

Martin buddy .. if you are trying to DUAL BOOT.. you will have to leave enough room for NT and the other OS.. on your boot partition.. also you probably DO NOT want to use NTFS on the boot partition.. ie. c:\.. because then how is the other OS going to install??... (have u thought of that yet?) best is to make it FAT16..

[Stan]

Jin,

I agree with you but it much better to separate the 2 OS.
Where is the point to have NT without NTFS partition ?

The way I would recommend to do it is as follow:
Win98 on partition1 using FAT16
WinNT on partition2 using NTFS (not seen by Win98)
Games on partition3 (for Win98 and no letter assigned under NT)
Applications on partition4 (NTFS - not seen by Win98)

Of course, it depends on the size of your hard disk(s)

Stan

[Jin Vitas]

I do agree with Stan that having NT on NTFS is good but not necessarily on the boot partition. also separating 9x and NT programs by partitioning with FAT32 and NTFS is also a good idea (ie. having c:\=Fat16 d:\=NTFS e:\=FAT32..) .

This is the problem with NTFS.. if NT does not boot up..like your just missing several files and you do not have an ERD... How can you extract files from the winnt CD.. since dos/windows cannot see a NTFS partition..u cannot extract.. (unless u have a NTFS4Dos disk).. but who has the time to make one of those.. so therefore FAT16 would be an easy way to go.. if you have to troubleshoot NT's system and boot partitions.. in the future..

[Stan]

Jin,

One thing: using NT without NTFS, you won't benefit from the NTFS security/permission system.
Also, IF ever NT crashes so badly that your machine won't even boot, don't worry: boot up your pc using the cdrom (if machine is cdrom bootable) and choose the option "Repair NT" instead of "Install NT"

FAT16 is good but old and unsecure...

Also, if Martin wants to install Win NT SERVER, does he really want to dual-boot his machine ?

BTW, Martin, don't forget service pack 4...

Stan

[Jin Vitas]

MaRTIN..notice the "if" in 'if machine is cd rom bootable'

Stan that is correct not using NTFS disables the benefits of security and permissions.. but you would really want the security and permissions in the program and data files.. not necessarily a boot partition..(have u seen the post on which drive letters to have FAT32 and NTFS??..)

**Don't forget Martin wants to DUAL BOOT.. therefore boot partition HAS TO BE FAT16.. (unless u can find a way to dual boot win9x and NT from a NTFS partition..I would really really like to hear the miracle.)

[Martin]

okkk..first the specs.
450@
abit bh6
lit-on 40x max cd-rom (non-scsi)
richo 6200 burner (non scsi)
seagate 6.5g(non-scsi)
quatum ex 10g(non-scsi)
network card
tnt card
mx300 s-card

Nt disable my win 98 c: drive..so only the nt one is active.
So my plan was to install nt ,then arrange my boot sequence with nt administrater,But it does not finish the install.so i had to reactive my win98 c: drive..but what u saying is to boot in dos and install nt of the c-rom without those 3 boot disk.(on c: nt active of course) and ma ke the drive a fat 16..

[Stan]

Hi...

OK, just realised that Martin WANTS dual-boot. In that case, no choice, (I fully agree with Jin), there is NO WAY to dual boot NT and 95/98 on NTFS. The 1st partition has to be FAT16.

Jin, I agree that security is not vital on a boot partition, but, as it is better to separate the 2 OS, it would be a bit stupid not to use NTFS for NT partitions.

Also, if the machine is not cdrom bootable and NT crashes to death, then boot with the floppy and repair it... same thing but takes longer...

Stan

[Jin Vitas]

Martin, good luck..

Stan what does a system specialist do??.. and Does it snow in London?

Did you Fix your SQL problem?

[This message has been edited by Jin Vitas (edited 04-15-99).]

[Stan]

Jin,

I am really glad you ask me that question...
Systems Specialist is not very explicit, isn't it ?
Believe me, I did not choose my job description.
What am I doing ? building servers, network maintenance, workstation trouble-shooting, installing servers, repairing PC's, ...

Believe me, I am having fun...

To answer your 2nd question: no, it does not snow in London, but the weather is ****...

Stan

[Stan]

Jin,

Nope, SQL 7 still crashes the NT server.
I have changed the mem allocation for SQL, but it did not make any difference.

Still looking into it, I don't give up !

Thanks for asking...

Stan

[Jin Vitas]

(u must think i have a lot of time.. since I am everywhere on this msg board...)

I like what I am doing .. but not getting paid enough because of my age.. i am a Network Engineer , design , implement, troubleshoot and maintain LANs/Wan networks.. including router configurations.. right now I am done with my project and next one starts tomorrow..

[This message has been edited by Jin Vitas (edited 04-15-99).]

[Jin Vitas]

If you look at technet articles:

Q75288-PRB: Too Many User Connections Keep SQL Server from Starting

Q162361-INF: Understanding and Resolving SQL Server Blocking Problems

Q137983-INF: How to Troubleshoot Orphaned Connections in SQL Server

Q170576-INF: How to Determine When SQL Server Causes a WinNT Blue Screen

These are common lockup problems in SQL servers. This is probably what your SQL server is doing. Just take time (like I did) to read through it and implement it. This will help alot.. especially article Q162361.

good luck

[Stan]

Martin,

Abit BH6 is cdrom bootable (right ?).
What do you mean by "nt disables the win98 c:" ???
Is your win98 c: FAT32 ??? Might be the reason: NT can not see/access FAT32 partitions...

What I would really do in your case (this is what I did for my PC):
- backup your important files
- reformat and repartition your hard disks
- partiton1 for Win98: FAT16
- partiton2 for NT: NTFS
- then create as many partitions as you want...

Stan