matthew13l
05-05-2004, 11:34 PM
Man, there seems to be a petition for everything.
http://www.petitiononline.com/nohw/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/nohw/petition.html
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mireland
05-05-2004, 11:36 PM
hee hee, that was funny...http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/hop.gif
...I see his point though...:eek:
...I see his point though...:eek:
scottluebke2003
05-06-2004, 12:43 AM
Better get on top of that HW. I don't see HW being done away with anytime in the near future. :t
One_Inch_MAN
05-06-2004, 07:39 AM
I signed it:t
Steve R Jones
05-06-2004, 12:00 PM
Me thinks peeps that sign petition should keep an eye on this thread:
Homelessness and Poverty
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162428
Homelessness and Poverty
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162428
Baddog
05-06-2004, 12:44 PM
"This petition is only to be signed by current students of Elemntery, Middle, and High School. The petition is being created to oppose homework assigned in schools. We feel that if we are required to go to school for 7 hours a day, then we should be able to enjoy the rest of our day without school work. "
SUCKERS!http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/nahnah.gif :D
SUCKERS!http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/nahnah.gif :D
rsfnatik
05-06-2004, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Baddog
"This petition is only to be signed by current students of Elemntery, Middle, and High School. The petition is being created to oppose homework assigned in schools. We feel that if we are required to go to school for 7 hours a day, then we should be able to enjoy the rest of our day without school work. "
The problem is approaching education/learning as "work" and that it is not something to do outside of school. If these kids have such poor dedication to their academic lives at this point they are going to be in for a wakeup call should they persue post-secondary education (college/university). Then again, they probably won't make it that far. :)
I feel for them tho. With a whole 7 hours in school they hardly have enough time as it is to get fat and stupid playing XBox and watching television.
"This petition is only to be signed by current students of Elemntery, Middle, and High School. The petition is being created to oppose homework assigned in schools. We feel that if we are required to go to school for 7 hours a day, then we should be able to enjoy the rest of our day without school work. "
The problem is approaching education/learning as "work" and that it is not something to do outside of school. If these kids have such poor dedication to their academic lives at this point they are going to be in for a wakeup call should they persue post-secondary education (college/university). Then again, they probably won't make it that far. :)
I feel for them tho. With a whole 7 hours in school they hardly have enough time as it is to get fat and stupid playing XBox and watching television.
Johnny Fist
05-06-2004, 05:30 PM
I have an idea. What if instead of having homework you went to school for seven hours a day and then after that you went to your technical training for three hours. How's that sound? So not only are they getting educated they're also learning how to keep a job.
werz
05-07-2004, 09:14 AM
the main reason children are sent to school for 7hrs/day, 5 days/wk, 35 wks/yr, for a min of 11yrs is to train them in to habit of getting up at the same time every day, and to go to an alien unfriendly institution, run by poorly trained staff, who generally have sadistic tendencies, to do something of dubious value. This harsh regime is for the main purpose of conditioning the people who graduate from this mindless rote to be compliant and obedient, as a work force, controlled generally by managers, with low IQs and sadistic tendencies, with minimum complaint by the workforce who have been trained to turn up to unsatisfying jobs and put up with this soul destroying routine for 50 years. This is the most important reason for the school system to exist. All this suffering to teach us to get up on time and do what we are told,without question.
werz
05-07-2004, 09:15 AM
homework is just adding insult to injury
rsfnatik
05-07-2004, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by werz
the main reason children are sent to school for 7hrs/day, 5 days/wk, 35 wks/yr, for a min of 11yrs is to train them in to habit of getting up at the same time every day, and to go to an alien unfriendly institution, run by poorly trained staff, who generally have sadistic tendencies, to do something of dubious value. This harsh regime is for the main purpose of conditioning the people who graduate from this mindless rote to be compliant and obedient, as a work force, controlled generally by managers, with low IQs and sadistic tendencies, with minimum complaint by the workforce who have been trained to turn up to unsatisfying jobs and put up with this soul destroying routine for 50 years. This is the most important reason for the school system to exist. All this suffering to teach us to get up on time and do what we are told,without question.
I agree with you on some points werz. Having structure and organization with respect to scheduling within the education system does lend itseld to a degree of conformity and compliance - but do you not agree that, to some extent, this is required within our current society? It would be kind of tricky to allow kids to simply show up at various times through out the day to study what they choose and for how long.
I also admit to having some poor teachers along the way, but my parents, and later myself, identified them as such and adopted learning methods to cope with their downfalls or dealt with the issues as required. I've also had some wicked teachers and professors over the years that were *very* supportive and challenging and encouraged their students to approach material in a vareity of ways. I can hardly accuse all of my instructors as being "sadistic" and of teaching material of "dubious value". Perhaps I was exception... tho I believe that to be the case.
IMO, it's those individuals who have no interest in or dedication to learning that rut themselves into a "soul destroying routine for 50 years". They feel they don't have the ability or knowledge to change their situation.
There's also a lack of parental involvement at play. In the early years of a childs life there is a certain degree of responsibility that falls on the parent to support their children in their education and encourage them to apply what they learn from the more rigid classroom environment to other activities and areas of learning that can be personalized and made far more stimulating. As a student progresses and understands the freedoms that come later in their academic career they can exploit their education to its full potential.
I've attended a vareity of elementary/secondary schools when I was a kid and can identify both positive/negative experiences. I also attended university for four years and studied many subjects of personal interests. Unlike many of my classmates, I took advantage of and created opportunities to continue learning outside of the lecture halls while others just memorized and regurgitated text books. I found them to be far less stimulating/stimulated individuals who will most likely find a rut later in life.
I've also had some indirect exposure to Montessori schools and find the methods interesting when compared to traditional schools. There are alternatives.
the main reason children are sent to school for 7hrs/day, 5 days/wk, 35 wks/yr, for a min of 11yrs is to train them in to habit of getting up at the same time every day, and to go to an alien unfriendly institution, run by poorly trained staff, who generally have sadistic tendencies, to do something of dubious value. This harsh regime is for the main purpose of conditioning the people who graduate from this mindless rote to be compliant and obedient, as a work force, controlled generally by managers, with low IQs and sadistic tendencies, with minimum complaint by the workforce who have been trained to turn up to unsatisfying jobs and put up with this soul destroying routine for 50 years. This is the most important reason for the school system to exist. All this suffering to teach us to get up on time and do what we are told,without question.
I agree with you on some points werz. Having structure and organization with respect to scheduling within the education system does lend itseld to a degree of conformity and compliance - but do you not agree that, to some extent, this is required within our current society? It would be kind of tricky to allow kids to simply show up at various times through out the day to study what they choose and for how long.
I also admit to having some poor teachers along the way, but my parents, and later myself, identified them as such and adopted learning methods to cope with their downfalls or dealt with the issues as required. I've also had some wicked teachers and professors over the years that were *very* supportive and challenging and encouraged their students to approach material in a vareity of ways. I can hardly accuse all of my instructors as being "sadistic" and of teaching material of "dubious value". Perhaps I was exception... tho I believe that to be the case.
IMO, it's those individuals who have no interest in or dedication to learning that rut themselves into a "soul destroying routine for 50 years". They feel they don't have the ability or knowledge to change their situation.
There's also a lack of parental involvement at play. In the early years of a childs life there is a certain degree of responsibility that falls on the parent to support their children in their education and encourage them to apply what they learn from the more rigid classroom environment to other activities and areas of learning that can be personalized and made far more stimulating. As a student progresses and understands the freedoms that come later in their academic career they can exploit their education to its full potential.
I've attended a vareity of elementary/secondary schools when I was a kid and can identify both positive/negative experiences. I also attended university for four years and studied many subjects of personal interests. Unlike many of my classmates, I took advantage of and created opportunities to continue learning outside of the lecture halls while others just memorized and regurgitated text books. I found them to be far less stimulating/stimulated individuals who will most likely find a rut later in life.
I've also had some indirect exposure to Montessori schools and find the methods interesting when compared to traditional schools. There are alternatives.
werz
05-07-2004, 01:26 PM
I am all for alternative education that works on the principle of stimulation of the minds of the students, but society has requirements to run in a manner that the majority of workers will have to be put in mind numbing repetative employment and over stimulation will work in a counter productive way. if all of us had the chance of a good education with intelligent choices and commited teachers. i.e prison guards, service and hospitality, production line, the military and auto workers, plus lots of other jobs which would make the task of doing this type of work impossible for anyone to do if they had been encouraged to question everything. We would be heading in the direction of Brave New World where menial and boringly repetative job were done by specifically bred
'workers or menial tasks would be carried out by lower IQ bred in test tube fertility. with less expectations, than we can tolerate .
'workers or menial tasks would be carried out by lower IQ bred in test tube fertility. with less expectations, than we can tolerate .
rsfnatik
05-07-2004, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by werz
We would be heading in the direction of Brave New World where menial and boringly repetative job were done by specifically bred workers or menial tasks would be carried out by lower IQ bred in test tube fertility. with less expectations, than we can tolerate .
I would consider this vision a rather frightening image of the "Brave New World".
Granted, I would like to see education accessible to those who express an interest, but that is not the situation at the moment and is truly unfortunate. I'm just saying that education, within the current version of society, is not as bleak a picture as you paint and can actually be a means of raising oneself above the menial/boring/repetative jobs and potentially raising the bar in general - again, education needs to be made more accessible. At present, that still leaves a great number of menial/boring/repetative jobs to be done, although we have filled them with machinery/robotics/computers in many cases. The remainder are to be filled by those who don't do their homework. :)
We would be heading in the direction of Brave New World where menial and boringly repetative job were done by specifically bred workers or menial tasks would be carried out by lower IQ bred in test tube fertility. with less expectations, than we can tolerate .
I would consider this vision a rather frightening image of the "Brave New World".
Granted, I would like to see education accessible to those who express an interest, but that is not the situation at the moment and is truly unfortunate. I'm just saying that education, within the current version of society, is not as bleak a picture as you paint and can actually be a means of raising oneself above the menial/boring/repetative jobs and potentially raising the bar in general - again, education needs to be made more accessible. At present, that still leaves a great number of menial/boring/repetative jobs to be done, although we have filled them with machinery/robotics/computers in many cases. The remainder are to be filled by those who don't do their homework. :)
Johnny Fist
05-07-2004, 08:14 PM
If you don't study and do well in school you're going to end up with a low paying boring job.
If you study and do well you're going to end up with a high paying boring job.
Either way you're going to have a boring job, so you might as well make some cash doing it.
If you study and do well you're going to end up with a high paying boring job.
Either way you're going to have a boring job, so you might as well make some cash doing it.
Vincent Atari
05-08-2004, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by matthew13l
Man, there seems to be a petition for everything.
http://www.petitiononline.com/nohw/petition.html
One word: LAZY!
Or maybe the case is that they don't have enough free time after wasting all of their free time :rolleyes:.
Man, there seems to be a petition for everything.
http://www.petitiononline.com/nohw/petition.html
One word: LAZY!
Or maybe the case is that they don't have enough free time after wasting all of their free time :rolleyes:.
DozerLYP
05-08-2004, 12:44 AM
here's an idea.
lets cut the homework and make them go to school 12 months a year.
and see what they think about that...
lets cut the homework and make them go to school 12 months a year.
and see what they think about that...
werz
05-08-2004, 02:05 AM
1st thing is, dont assume that working hard at school will make you earn more when you leave school.
In actual fact having conformed at school and passed exams etc may make you a better prospect for getting a job, but after you have completed 20 years of loyal service to your boss or company you will have the satisfaction of knowing you helped make him or the shareholders rich, not yourself,but dont worry, the moral satisfaction you will recieve will be worth the effort you put in to making yourself 4 paychecks away from being homeless.
If you feel the effort was worth it to get good marks at school then use your work ethic to become self employed and get yourself rich, and when you have plenty money and your standing around at the golf club bar while someone else who you employ does you job, just have a look at your buddies there, and you will realise that in most cases these were the jerks who didn't do there homework, never learnt math past multiplication, rarely stuck at a job for long and the only real reason they have money is luck and being in the right place at the right time, and taking the opportunity when they saw it, plus having a minimum of morals and ethics helps, you know like a bit of a bribe to get the contracts, paying the people who work hard for you much less than you know you should, but as any sense of decency would have left your soul years before you reached this position, you'll be an expert in self deception.
In actual fact having conformed at school and passed exams etc may make you a better prospect for getting a job, but after you have completed 20 years of loyal service to your boss or company you will have the satisfaction of knowing you helped make him or the shareholders rich, not yourself,but dont worry, the moral satisfaction you will recieve will be worth the effort you put in to making yourself 4 paychecks away from being homeless.
If you feel the effort was worth it to get good marks at school then use your work ethic to become self employed and get yourself rich, and when you have plenty money and your standing around at the golf club bar while someone else who you employ does you job, just have a look at your buddies there, and you will realise that in most cases these were the jerks who didn't do there homework, never learnt math past multiplication, rarely stuck at a job for long and the only real reason they have money is luck and being in the right place at the right time, and taking the opportunity when they saw it, plus having a minimum of morals and ethics helps, you know like a bit of a bribe to get the contracts, paying the people who work hard for you much less than you know you should, but as any sense of decency would have left your soul years before you reached this position, you'll be an expert in self deception.
cwin
05-08-2004, 07:18 AM
Ive had nights where ive had more than 5hrs of homework and have had to stay up late doing it.
Homework isnt the only thing i do when i get home, when i said that to a teacher because i ran out of time to do one sheet of hwk, she seemed suprised that we actually do something other than homework.
My dad works 9-5. He has a 2hr lunchbreak, he has 15mins break every hr. That means he does about 4 1/2 hrs working. He does really easy stuff. He gets paid more than £35 000 a year.
We go to school 8:45-2:50. We have a 35min lunchbreak, and a 15 min break. That means we have 5hrs working. We get average ~2hrs homework a night (45mins per subject. 2/3 subjects). We get paid £0 a year. (We pay them quite a bit though for stuff they force us to pay for)
Yes we do have more holidays... and i think we deserve them. We have nothing to make us want to work, no money coming in to buy anything that we want, at least on the summer holidays we can get a summer job and buy some things that we wanted. I dont really care about the holidays anyway. I get bored sometimes, but i still end up more busy than my parents doing comp related stuff.
Why do we need homework after a lesson? We arent learning anything, we are just going over what we learned repeatedly if we are lucky, most of the time its just a random piece of cr@p that a teacher has found lying under his/her desk.
Lets face it that the majorty of school is completely worthless.
Food design technology.. er, ok, i really need that.
Art... i dont need that either
Language... I dont need that, and i am dropping it ASAP
the list goes on....
Yeah, some ppl might need them, but not everybody, but everybody still learns them... some ppl might never use a computer again after leaving school..
At least soon i get to drop subjects.. and get more of a choice.
Homework is just pointless in general. It IS just work. We know how to do it, we arent learning anything.
I have had recently to:
Make a title page in my Geography book.
Draw a storyboard of Macbeth
Do a long sheet on basic division and multiplication - took like 1hr, but it was easy as hell.. there was just 100's of questions.
Down with homework
Homework isnt the only thing i do when i get home, when i said that to a teacher because i ran out of time to do one sheet of hwk, she seemed suprised that we actually do something other than homework.
My dad works 9-5. He has a 2hr lunchbreak, he has 15mins break every hr. That means he does about 4 1/2 hrs working. He does really easy stuff. He gets paid more than £35 000 a year.
We go to school 8:45-2:50. We have a 35min lunchbreak, and a 15 min break. That means we have 5hrs working. We get average ~2hrs homework a night (45mins per subject. 2/3 subjects). We get paid £0 a year. (We pay them quite a bit though for stuff they force us to pay for)
Yes we do have more holidays... and i think we deserve them. We have nothing to make us want to work, no money coming in to buy anything that we want, at least on the summer holidays we can get a summer job and buy some things that we wanted. I dont really care about the holidays anyway. I get bored sometimes, but i still end up more busy than my parents doing comp related stuff.
Why do we need homework after a lesson? We arent learning anything, we are just going over what we learned repeatedly if we are lucky, most of the time its just a random piece of cr@p that a teacher has found lying under his/her desk.
Lets face it that the majorty of school is completely worthless.
Food design technology.. er, ok, i really need that.
Art... i dont need that either
Language... I dont need that, and i am dropping it ASAP
the list goes on....
Yeah, some ppl might need them, but not everybody, but everybody still learns them... some ppl might never use a computer again after leaving school..
At least soon i get to drop subjects.. and get more of a choice.
Homework is just pointless in general. It IS just work. We know how to do it, we arent learning anything.
I have had recently to:
Make a title page in my Geography book.
Draw a storyboard of Macbeth
Do a long sheet on basic division and multiplication - took like 1hr, but it was easy as hell.. there was just 100's of questions.
Down with homework
porsch1909
05-08-2004, 09:10 AM
point 1 : you are only 14, its the easy life just now. i'm guessing you are doing GCSEs if you are in england or Standard Grades if in Scotland(im assuming your brittish since you used £s) but both those exams are easy!! try A-levels or highers(scotland) that when it get difficult.
point 2 : why do you get homework. to help you. if the teacher thought the whole class could do everything perfectly and get full marks in any test/exam you wouldnt get homework. so stop comlaining that something is easy until you get full marks in it all, all the time.
i mean maths. the vast majority of people never use calculus after school yet you need an A in math do study to be a doctor. why? because maths is difficult and if you cant handle something difficult then that tells you something about that person. if the person says im never going to use this why am i learning it. then thats a bad attitude. why am i good at maths and enjoy it, well that the reason i enjoy maths, it facinates me. do i want to use it when i leave school, no.
what are you going to do when your children learn this stuff.
"dad can i get some help with this differentiation."
"come on son you wont need that when your older, dont bother doing any homework either, it is pointless"
i dont think so. knock a bit of sense in your brain. maybe that should be a subject "Common sense."
point 2 : why do you get homework. to help you. if the teacher thought the whole class could do everything perfectly and get full marks in any test/exam you wouldnt get homework. so stop comlaining that something is easy until you get full marks in it all, all the time.
i mean maths. the vast majority of people never use calculus after school yet you need an A in math do study to be a doctor. why? because maths is difficult and if you cant handle something difficult then that tells you something about that person. if the person says im never going to use this why am i learning it. then thats a bad attitude. why am i good at maths and enjoy it, well that the reason i enjoy maths, it facinates me. do i want to use it when i leave school, no.
what are you going to do when your children learn this stuff.
"dad can i get some help with this differentiation."
"come on son you wont need that when your older, dont bother doing any homework either, it is pointless"
i dont think so. knock a bit of sense in your brain. maybe that should be a subject "Common sense."
cwin
05-08-2004, 09:54 AM
I'll be doing an A-level in computers next year.
Homework DOES NOT HELP me. I get full marks in some tests - whether ive done the homework or not. The homework is normally easy as cr@p but it takes time to do it. Im pretty sure the reason we get set it is to waste our time.
Im good at most my subjects (Maths, IT, Music, Science, Graphics mainly, becuase i like them)
What did i do in food last week, followed a recipie. .. yeah, very useful. My main problem with food is that they spend thousands on all the cookers, but like 1 in 100 people will need the food course. It should be a GCSE only subject IMO - just like bizness
Homework DOES NOT HELP me. I get full marks in some tests - whether ive done the homework or not. The homework is normally easy as cr@p but it takes time to do it. Im pretty sure the reason we get set it is to waste our time.
Im good at most my subjects (Maths, IT, Music, Science, Graphics mainly, becuase i like them)
What did i do in food last week, followed a recipie. .. yeah, very useful. My main problem with food is that they spend thousands on all the cookers, but like 1 in 100 people will need the food course. It should be a GCSE only subject IMO - just like bizness
werz
05-08-2004, 09:59 AM
Well I dont want to disalusion you kid but learning something difficult like calculus is not gonna make a blind bit of difference whether someone makes a better doctor than someone who is completely baffled by it. when you have seen enough of the world and the different people in it you will find there are some people who are in the right job for them and they are naturals at it. They are lucky but very few of them exist. the next catargory have a gift at what they do, and if they try hard may become competent at it. Then come the rest of us who can learn and do a reasonable job with a minimum of mistakes, next is the ones who should be counciled to try looking for something more suitable for there talents, but as they have worked hard to pass the exams to get in the job in the first place and have then been in the wrong job for years it wont do much good, so we have to put up with train crashes and plane crashes, and doctors who were good at passing exams bit bad for there patients
Happy Joe
05-08-2004, 10:46 AM
Advise... Do your homework, learn all that you can in school, get a good job (if you want to get rich start or buy a business), invest at least 30% of your take home pay in stocks and realestate, If you are smart and good you can retire at 35 like I did.
I work now because retirement is basicly boring, Being able to quit at the drop of a hat puts work in proper perspective.
Enjoy!
I work now because retirement is basicly boring, Being able to quit at the drop of a hat puts work in proper perspective.
Enjoy!
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