Cutting taxes doesnt help job growth

[Vampiel]

http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/02/news/economy/jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes

[themac]

no but it does increase the defacit

[Vampiel]

Did you even read the news article? My topic I was being facisious.

I just had to rub it in a little.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158251&perpage=15&highlight=tax&pagenumber=2

[mireland]

Originally posted by Vampiel
http://money.cnn.com/2004/04/02/news/economy/jobs/index.htm?cnn=yes


Yea, but did you see that Unemployment STILL went up..Apparently they were counting the illegal immigrant numbers...:rolleyes:

[Vampiel]

Read the article.

The unemployment rate comes from a survey of households, which found that 179,000 people entered the labor force in March without a matching rise in employment, resulting in a higher unemployment rate.

Still, most economists believe the survey of businesses, which is much broader, is a more accurate measure of the health of the nation's labor market.

Of course the Democrats are STILL trying to say the economy is bad... sheesh whatll it take for everyone to become millionares before they pull their head out of their buts.:rolleyes:

[mireland]

Originally posted by Vampiel
Read the article.





Of course the Democrats are STILL trying to say the economy is bad... sheesh whatll it take for everyone to become millionares before they pull their head out of their buts.:rolleyes:

I guess that's easy for someone to say who HAS a job..some of us have been looking for quite some time...:(

[Billforce]

Read the headlines today....jobs are markedly increasing as businesses become healthier. Payroll saw the biggest gain in 4 years.

[mireland]

Originally posted by Billforce
Read the headlines today....jobs are markedly increasing as businesses become healthier. Payroll saw the biggest gain in 4 years.

I'll believe all that **** when someone offers me a job instead of the illegal immigrant next to me...:mad:

[Vampiel]

Im sorry to hear that you dont have a job. Maybe the muppets will come back and you can work for them.:D

But dont blame it on everyone else.

[mireland]

Originally posted by Vampiel
Im sorry to hear that you dont have a job. Maybe the muppets will come back and you can work for them.:D

But dont blame it on everyone else.


I'll blame it on whoever I see taking jobs from americans and giving them to people who shouldn't be in this country...:t

[Vampiel]

I think most of the Mexicans (who Bush proposed a plan to get them jobs if their employer could prove that no American wanted the job, and yes it does happen) are mowing laws and putting up roofs. It's the big companies that are shipping the better jobs somewere else. Their is legislation coming in right now that is supposed to help stop this.

[mireland]

Originally posted by Vampiel
I think most of the Mexicans (who Bush proposed a plan to get them jobs if their employer could prove that no American wanted the job, and yes it does happen) are mowing laws and putting up roofs. It's the big companies that are shipping the better jobs somewere else. Their is legislation coming in right now that is supposed to help stop this.

well I hope so. I also would just like to illistrate my bitterness: I went to apply for a job at K-mart one time, and after I turned in my application someone who worked there said they were only hiring Mexicans and women and they only advertised the job because they "had" to. just a TAD frustrating...

[Vampiel]

It's called affirmative action, it's been around forever (like for 50 years). When it came out their was a good reason for it b/c their was rampate racism among corperations, but now I dont think it's neccessary anymore and they should get rid of it. May the best person get the job, not get it just b/c they are a women or a minority, that's just unfair.

[Billforce]

All jesting aside, I do have great empathy for those out of work...Hard for me to identify and fully appreciate because the longest I was ever without a job was 2 months. Having raised a family, I know it must be terrible without a job and paycheck.
Jobs are definitely area specific though, I made 5 major moves in 8 years half way across the U.S. to take employment. If the jobs won't come to you..........Mohammed and the mountain?

[themac]

Originally posted by Vampiel
Did you even read the news article? My topic I was being facisious.

I just had to rub it in a little.

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158251&perpage=15&highlight=tax&pagenumber=2

i was referring to bush's pushing both tax cuts and an $87billion spending budget for iraq at the same time. where does he plan on pulling the money for this from? i've got an answer for ya too. same place he pulls all of his ideas.

[Vampiel]

I explained it in the other thread that I gave a link to.

[Picard]

it is hard for those unaffected by the economy to sympathize with the millions still affected. That unemployment went up too has got to tell you something. There is something wrong with the figures. As I see it, the democrats are gonna complain about the economy until it's fixed. I don't see that happening so long as there is a republican in the white house.

[Vampiel]

Pfft yea I didnt feel the effect's of the economy. I own a store and I felt them more than alot of people.

As I said before the unemployment study is not very broad, they give a VERY ROUGH est. that is often wrong (you think you would have a hard time counting over 250mil jobs?)

The other test is much BROADER that reaches alot more people...
Still, most economists believe the survey of businesses, which is much broader, is a more accurate measure of the health of the nation's labor market.

I guess some people are never satisfied. Oh yea the economy is on the downturn (even though their are news releases every month that say different). Just keep on telling yourself that, it wont make it true.

I wonder who is should listen to, you or..
most economists

Or maybe the democrats LOLwho critize everything Bush does no matter what the economy is really like, cause they want the power.

[Billforce]

Originally posted by Vampiel


Or maybe the democrats LOLwho critize everything Bush does no matter what the economy is really like, cause they want the power.

Ever wonder why Liberals are like hemorrhoids?

Neither one has any apparent reason for being.
They are both very difficult to get rid of.
They are BOTH a Royal pain in the @rse!:r :r :r

[ukulele]

Originally posted by Vampiel
It's called affirmative action, it's been around forever (like for 50 years). When it came out their was a good reason for it b/c their was rampate racism among corperations, but now I dont think it's neccessary anymore and they should get rid of it. May the best person get the job, not get it just b/c they are a women or a minority, that's just unfair.

I don't think you can un-law something. Is that even constitutional? I used to think so, but I don't think so anymore.

[FrnchDp]

Originally posted by Billforce
...
They are BOTH a Royal pain in the @rse!:r :r :r

Nah.. we're just a pain in your @r$e!! But I can live with that..

[Vampiel]

Originally posted by ukulele
I don't think you can un-law something. Is that even constitutional? I used to think so, but I don't think so anymore.

Yes you can.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/27/affirmative.action.ap/index.html

If it's in the constitution you cant.

[ukulele]

Don't believe everything you read.

[jad1097]

Lets not forget some of us have run our unemployment out and are not counted.

[Billforce]

By the same token, small businesses with less than 6 employees are also not counted. Most of the new small businesses fall into this category.

[leprechaun_40]

Cutting taxes doesnt help job growth


Neither does sending them all to India:eek:

[Vampiel]

Originally posted by Billforce
By the same token, small businesses with less than 6 employees are also not counted. Most of the new small businesses fall into this category.

Yep

[bushmaster]

You can't base unemployment #'s on figures gotten from the dept of labor.
The government has no real way of knowing how many Americans, actually people working in america (legals and illegals), have off the books jobs. These folks (and there are alot of them) work for companies or employers that simply don't want to pay what they are legally obligated to pay as employers. And when somebody working for them stops working they don't end up collecting unemployment.
As for the creation of jobs, a great number of those jobs are simply created by taking 3 forty hour work week jobs and turning them into 4 thirty hour work week jobs which lets the politicians brag about a 33% increase in jobs and at the same time relieves the employers as 30 hours a week is not considered full time, and as such they are no longer obligated by law to provide benefits that full time employees are entitled to.

Our tax dollars are entirely mis-managed. The child tax credit refund we get every year in the summer is just more of the smoke and mirrors.

I think the fairest tax plan would be to have a 10% income tax across the board wether you be a person making minimal wage or Zero Halliburton. No refunds, no tax breaks, just pay up or you'll no longer be able to do business here.
Too many mega corps find a way to say they made no profit during a business year, and then lay off workers, get huge tax breaks, yet pay their CEO's obscene amounts and find ways to spend their $$$ so as to show little or no income if not a loss.
Corporate America owns us all lock, stock, and smoking barrell.

[Vampiel]

Of course you can always start your own business. They dont "own" me.

[bushmaster]

Well they don't own you untill they decide you underpaid your taxes by 50k and just come and take it from your hide.

[Vampiel]

Then that would be the IRS not "Corporate America"

[bushmaster]

No, corporate America owns the IRS.