IPv6 Tests Successful, Moonv6 on the Horizon

[rraehal]

I remeber discussing the change to IPv6 when I was in school about three years ago. It looks like it is time to begin planning company expansions to allow IP6 and IP4 so that when the time is right the switch will be easier on IT staff.

I am glad the switch will happen.

[Strawbs]

I'm not so sure! i think it's more geared toward helping the spys keep an eye on our online activity. It doesn't make sense to allow for more internet privacy in these times of terrorist activity, but then again ...it's probably well known in these parts that I border on being a paranoid sceptic! ;)

[CJE-P]

You may also be confusing security with privacy, not necessarily the same things.

[Strawbs]

I agree that Security and Privacy are two different entities, but I believe that in the IT world at least, the two are inextricably linked.

e.g. If the CIA\FBI\MI5\6 etc. find it more difficult to glean information from our computers or about our identity\surfing habits whilst we are online, then our privacy is equally enhanced. I just can't believe this new protocol would be allowed to proceed without the means of a "back door" for those types of agencies. To the contrary, I think this new protocol will make identifiying\tracking a source easier than it previously was, If that is the case, it will only be a matter of time before the hackers get their hands on the spare keys.

I also believe it is these hidden entry points that has given M$ such a hard time trying to secure it's OS' while leaving a key or two "under the mat" for the authorities and themselves (IMO the real reason for the US governments anti-trust case 7 years ago).

My caution is rooted in theory and I have no evidence to back up that theory! We'll know for sure sometime after the new protocols are brought online and IPv4 is wound up.

:t

[Oatmeal]

Strawbs, you're overlooking the fact that this coming under development of the North American IPv6 Task Force, not the government.

You're just using this as an excuse to nit-pick on M$, not that I think highly of them, but you know the back door protocol isn't true, it's just a spook from some anti-M$ extremists. I come to that conclution by being reasonable, if there was a back door, someone would have found one by now. The same with the government; eventually, someone would find them snooping around any tell everybody. Don't point to articals about governmental hacking, those are for our protection, not incrimination, and don't mention the RIAA, that's about stopping criminals, not compromising sensitive information.

This is all about hackers not huge corporations.

[Strawbs]

Originally posted by Oatmeal
Strawbs, you're overlooking the fact that this coming under development of the North American IPv6 Task Force, not the government.

You're just using this as an excuse to nit-pick on M$, not that I think highly of them, but you know the back door protocol isn't true, it's just a spook from some anti-M$ extremists. I come to that conclution by being reasonable, if there was a back door, someone would have found one by now. The same with the government; eventually, someone would find them snooping around any tell everybody. Don't point to articals about governmental hacking, those are for our protection, not incrimination, and don't mention the RIAA, that's about stopping criminals, not compromising sensitive information.

This is all about hackers not huge corporations. Does the US Military have anything to do with the Government? >...About IPv6tf (http://www.nav6tf.org/nav6tf/about.html). Combine that with the fact that it was the same Military that gave birth to the Internet to begin with, and one might start to wonder if they would just give up control of the internet without a fight!

Because Palladium (http://www.epic.org/privacy/consumer/microsoft/palladium.html) will drive many away from Microsoft\Apple's OS', Government Security Dept's will require an alternative method of tracking people across the Internet ...IPv6 may be it. :confused:

The rest of your statement seems to leave your naivety on show for all to see, The back-doors in Microsoft's OS' have been discussed at length here at SysOpt and across the web for years! I don't right now have the time to search for you ...but I'm sure if you do a search for "Microsoft Security" both here and on google you'll find a raft of information pertaining to the matter that may (or may not) have you changing your mind, ...and I didn't mention the RIAA. :cool:

[Strawbs]

GRC.com (http://grc.com/dos/xpconference.htm) is a good place to start reading up about the holes in Windows. This guy (Steve Gibson) told M$ about security flaws in XP before it was released and they ignored him. He has been issuing smaller (yet equally as effective as M$'s own efforts) patches before they do, with a lot less resources available to him. Microsofts reasons for the delay in issuing security patches is often quoted as "testing for compatability ...", what they are really testing is for the ability to unlock your computer remotely with the patch in place, or the unlocking of another access point should the patch prove to be too effective!

Follow the links at the foot of the page for more!

I rarely research these security issues because I don't give a rat's @*$£ about corporate or government snooping. I have nothing of interest to hide from these ppl, just knowing the holes exsist and why, is enough to satisfy my curiosity (...and sometimes make me mad). I download the security patches to keep the opportunistic hackers out, safe in the knowledge that there is nothing I can do (short of disconnecting from the internet on a permanent basis) that will keep Redmond or the Government from knowing\finding out what I'm doing online and what information I have on my computer, I'm cool with that (...for now!).

IMO folk that believe Microsoft is trying to secure their OS' against all forms of spying\hacking are mis-guided! I believe the new security pack - "SP2" will be little more than a tool with which to convince the majority that they have no need for 3rd-party firewalls\security suites (which make access for M$\government more difficult to hide) because "we'll take care of you - leave it to us!"

Yeah, ok Bill! Right you are!! ;) ;)

it's a bit like putting Homer Simpson in charge of donut security.

Admittedly ...most of what I've written is based on speculation, but today's security concerns and Logic means the cap is a fairly good fit.

[Oatmeal]

CJE-P was right strawbs, you're confusing security with privacy, and in the IT world they are connected, not melted together. I mean that they still have their separate meanings despite there hand-in-handiness.

Just keep talking; the US Military is in place to protect the American people, that's their job, not hacking your computer. Indeed the government and the Military are fused beyond separation, but here again, it doesn't mean that they are the same, it just means that they depend on one another.

You mentioned the plethora of posts here on Sysopt and everywhere else that deals with these ”back doors” as proof that they exist. I’ve seen your rants, they’re all just like this one, someone like you brings up the possibility of them, and someone else says “I agree, so it must be true” and a back door is born. I’ve been floating around on Sysopt longer than you have, and I’ve never seen one person, either here or anywhere else, who actually reported finding a back door. If Bill was that good at coding, he wouldn’t need back doors to begin with.

"testing for compatability ...", what they are really testing is for the ability to unlock your computer remotely with the patch in place, or the unlocking of another access point should the patch prove to be too effective!I want you to read this again. This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard said today. Pretty complicated patches for such a lousy software company! Pretty high-tech for such slacking programmers!

Everyone with a broadband connection is going to install SP2. Geeks and Nerds alike will run all over it looking for back doors, fine none, and then claim someone else did, just like they did with SP1. But it won’t stop me from installing it, because I know better.

[Oatmeal]

Microsoft Windows Media Player and Panasonic IPv6-controlled Web-enabled video cameras have been successfully tested, teasing multimedia enthusiasts with the prospect of a faster and more sophisticated digital media experience.This will help me, because my work gets put online as full video. I can't wait to break out of this dial-up shell. :t

[Strawbs]

Oatmeal; you've managed to mis-construe everything I've written! I blame myself ...I'll never make it as a writer!

:(

[rraehal]

My suppport for the switch is based in the capabilities, not the security/privacy risks. I don't have anything to hide on my computer. I am legit and everything they find will point to that. I really do not think that someone will target my computer specifically because I am simply not important.

I like the idea that there will be more addresses. The communications will be fasater (IPv4 was designed with text in mind, not multimedia). I would like to think that my handheld computer will be able to have its own static IP address (or even dynamic) that I can take anywhere in my travels and use wireless to connect to the net. You can eneble GPS systems with IP addresses, cars, watches, whatever and still have addresses for people to use. The possabilities make it worth it to me.

Someday you could be a writer. Just practice some more. Thats how I started gettting good grades on my work. Maybe I will be able to get published soon. (not that good yet.)

[Oatmeal]

I know the feeling, I have some really good ideas in my head, and I refuse to put them on paper mearly because it wouldn't flow right. People just don't care unless you can write like Shakespear, and this is all but impossible. But you're not that bad, and I think I understood what was said.

Imagine, now, the prospect of the BIC-TCP and this new IPv6. This is going to blow the top off of everything. Cool. :cool:

[Bluehail]

IP provides source and destination addressing and routing. How would it jeopardize privacy?

[rraehal]

Originally posted by Bluehail
IP provides source and destination addressing and routing. How would it jeopardize privacy?

This is also my understanding of IPv6. I didn't consider it a security risk. I was simply commenting on what was said.

I think IP 6 will be just like IP 4 in operations except speed asnd reliability. I don't think that there will be any back doors as contemplated above. I think the reason it is suspected is bacuase the Military had helped form the IP6 taskforce. Because they are part of the governement, they are automatically suspect for back doors as they formed the taskforce. I don't agree but coul;d be wrong. The justoce department is trying to get back doors or monitoring abilities oput into cell phones, Voice over IP, and Walkie talkie cell phones.

[Bluehail]

Yeah I don't totally buy into black helicopter conspiracy theories but when it comes to government I have my suspicions sometimes.
The military also is helping fund the next gen reiserfs, which will be awesome when completed.