Strawbs
03-18-2004, 12:53 PM
£500! It's good to see AMD maintaining the price gap ...at £750 for the 3.4GHz P4EE, it's still away up there! :)
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_Mystical_Night
03-18-2004, 01:06 PM
their only ganna release limited quantitys :(
and thats to ABS, AFT, Alienware, nVentiv, Vicious PC, Voodoo and ZT Group.
oh well ... i guess its no harm since i wont be buying one anyway :p
ganna wait until my current pc doesnt run games smoothly anymore
and thats to ABS, AFT, Alienware, nVentiv, Vicious PC, Voodoo and ZT Group.
oh well ... i guess its no harm since i wont be buying one anyway :p
ganna wait until my current pc doesnt run games smoothly anymore
CJE-P
03-18-2004, 01:09 PM
Actually, the full list is Alternate, Arbol, Batch PC, CDC, EID, Evesham, Formoza, Fox PC, Hattelco, Komplett, Mesh, Network Technical, nVentiv, Olidata, Paradigit, Scan, Time Computers,Unika, ABS, AFT, Alienware, BOXX Technologies, CyberPower, Falcon Northwest, Monarch, Polywell, Velocity Micro, Vicious PC, Voodoo, ZT Group, Aro-system Co., Ltd, Bless Co., Ltd, Unitcom Inc., MCJ Co., Ltd., PROSIDE Corp., Thirdwave Corp., and Visual Technology Inc.
AnimalMother
03-18-2004, 01:13 PM
Yes this is true if you already own an XF1. If you are looking for an upgrade anyways like me....all I have to do is buy the 3.4EE, and slap it in my existing mobo, and keep on trucking.
If I wanted an AMD X53...then I would have to buy the processor, new mobo. (Didn't these things need registered RAM in the beginning, or did this change?)
So, the better deal for me would be the Pentium. So once again it is a matter of opinion.
If I wanted an AMD X53...then I would have to buy the processor, new mobo. (Didn't these things need registered RAM in the beginning, or did this change?)
So, the better deal for me would be the Pentium. So once again it is a matter of opinion.
stix_kua
03-18-2004, 01:33 PM
Slightly more detail on the subject. This is from AMD.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~83506,00.html
This says that they will only be limited quantities for the listed below but thye will have produced more in the next few weeks...so yes you can get your own...soon!
The AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor will initially be available in limited quantities from select high-performance PC manufacturers worldwide. We expect to broaden that availability within the next few weeks to fulfill demand generated by hard-core gamers, digital content creators and other performance-demanding customers. Systems based on the AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor are expected to be available from the following:
Europe: Alternate, Arbol, Batch PC, CDC, EID, Evesham, Formoza, Fox PC, Hattelco, Komplett, Mesh, Network Technical, nVentiv, Olidata, Paradigit, Scan, Time Computers and Unika
US: ABS, AFT, Alienware, BOXX Technologies, CyberPower, Falcon Northwest, Monarch, Polywell, Velocity Micro, Vicious PC, Voodoo and ZT Group
Japan: Aro-system Co., Ltd, Bless Co., Ltd, Unitcom Inc., MCJ Co., Ltd., PROSIDE Corp., Thirdwave Corp., and Visual Technology Inc.
The AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor is priced at $733 in 1,000-unit quantities.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_543~83506,00.html
This says that they will only be limited quantities for the listed below but thye will have produced more in the next few weeks...so yes you can get your own...soon!
The AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor will initially be available in limited quantities from select high-performance PC manufacturers worldwide. We expect to broaden that availability within the next few weeks to fulfill demand generated by hard-core gamers, digital content creators and other performance-demanding customers. Systems based on the AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor are expected to be available from the following:
Europe: Alternate, Arbol, Batch PC, CDC, EID, Evesham, Formoza, Fox PC, Hattelco, Komplett, Mesh, Network Technical, nVentiv, Olidata, Paradigit, Scan, Time Computers and Unika
US: ABS, AFT, Alienware, BOXX Technologies, CyberPower, Falcon Northwest, Monarch, Polywell, Velocity Micro, Vicious PC, Voodoo and ZT Group
Japan: Aro-system Co., Ltd, Bless Co., Ltd, Unitcom Inc., MCJ Co., Ltd., PROSIDE Corp., Thirdwave Corp., and Visual Technology Inc.
The AMD Athlon 64 FX-53 processor is priced at $733 in 1,000-unit quantities.
porsch1909
03-19-2004, 01:49 PM
I just have to voice a thought i had......ill probably get nailed to the ground, but....is there any game that actaully need this much proccessing power???? in fact is there any game which really any of the top or medium CPU that we have. are factors like RAM and graphics cards not more important really. just a thought.
Vampiel
03-19-2004, 02:27 PM
Play warcraft 3, 12 player in 32-bit with the graphics pumped all the way up, and watch what happens in a huge battle.
Single player, no, multi-player, yes.
Not to mention future games such as Doom3 and Half Life 2 will set a new standard for game graphics (I.D. software always does, take a look at how many ppl adopted their quake engines).
Single player, no, multi-player, yes.
Not to mention future games such as Doom3 and Half Life 2 will set a new standard for game graphics (I.D. software always does, take a look at how many ppl adopted their quake engines).
porsch1909
03-19-2004, 04:09 PM
i know that you will need a pretty powerfull CPU for those games but is a 3.4Ghz EE or a 2.4Ghz FX-53 not overkill. i mean too much. will a 2.8Ghz or 3.0Ghz C not be sufficient and a fraction of the price. i just think that getting something as powerfull as the FX 53 of EE is just too much just now. i havent included the prescott cause just now thats just a waste of money lol.
Vampiel
03-19-2004, 04:11 PM
Well if you want the bleeding edge of tech. then you have to pay for it. I personally wouldnt buy one until the price came down, but their are advantages to have the fx-53 over a p4 3.2 , but they are only for the rich really. For the normal user I wouldnt recommend them. It is a bit overkill for gaming as long as you have a good video card, but their are other things than gaming, such as 3D studio, encoding video/audio... etc...
Plaster
03-19-2004, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by porsch1909
i know that you will need a pretty powerfull CPU for those games but is a 3.4Ghz EE or a 2.4Ghz FX-53 not overkill. i mean too much. will a 2.8Ghz or 3.0Ghz C not be sufficient and a fraction of the price. i just think that getting something as powerfull as the FX 53 of EE is just too much just now. i havent included the prescott cause just now thats just a waste of money lol.
Your entire argument/question revolves around the PC being designed/sold like a gaming console. There's more to PC's than gaming. ;)
i know that you will need a pretty powerfull CPU for those games but is a 3.4Ghz EE or a 2.4Ghz FX-53 not overkill. i mean too much. will a 2.8Ghz or 3.0Ghz C not be sufficient and a fraction of the price. i just think that getting something as powerfull as the FX 53 of EE is just too much just now. i havent included the prescott cause just now thats just a waste of money lol.
Your entire argument/question revolves around the PC being designed/sold like a gaming console. There's more to PC's than gaming. ;)
porsch1909
03-19-2004, 04:19 PM
The product is aimed at high-performance gamers
i based my argument on that because of the above quote from the article. i think we can all agree on the fact that we can type a document, spreadshett, powerpoint presentation on a very basic system, i mean i can do that on my 100Mhz pentium class. but i do know that people use computers for CAD and architecture which requires huge amounts of system resourses but again i think we can all agree that the majority of people in this world arent architects. so powerfull CPU are really aimed at the gamers. but you also get CPU made for CAD i think, like the XEON
i based my argument on that because of the above quote from the article. i think we can all agree on the fact that we can type a document, spreadshett, powerpoint presentation on a very basic system, i mean i can do that on my 100Mhz pentium class. but i do know that people use computers for CAD and architecture which requires huge amounts of system resourses but again i think we can all agree that the majority of people in this world arent architects. so powerfull CPU are really aimed at the gamers. but you also get CPU made for CAD i think, like the XEON
Vampiel
03-19-2004, 05:42 PM
Whatever way you slice it, the bottom line is it is going to run everything faster whether it be a game, a game 8 months from now, an application or photoshop. If you have the money to throw at it, buy it, if not stay with the cheaper cpu's.
beany
03-19-2004, 09:09 PM
I have a FX-51 but i've overclocked it at nearly 2.5ghz so its faster than the FX-53 and i also use 2gb of 3500 DDR thats overclocked too. These processors are noway overkill, about 80% of game performance is down to the graphics card. On my 3000+ athlon XP comp (or even my OTHER 2000+ athlon comp) and using the same GFX card there is not much difference in games. I have a 9700 pro, not a bad card at all and i still cant play the far cry demo totally smoothly on 1600x1200 res and full graphic settings. It dont run bad though but still... in my opinion even my setup is nowhere remotely near as fast as i'd like, when i turn on my PC and it gets to windows in like 1 second and when i open powerful software and it just appears instantly and PC's have the power for voice recognition processing capabilities and instant CAD rendering then i'd say home PC's are fast enough.
Vampiel
03-19-2004, 10:11 PM
The video card has maybe about %50-%60 to do with the graphic speed, the rest is the mb/ram/cpu. The reason you cant tell a difference, is b/c the human eye cannot see more than 60fps, so anything higher than that, you cannot tell w/o running test programs.
Strawbs
03-20-2004, 11:12 AM
I agree that for home use these CPU's are overkill, an extra couple of seconds loading windows and a few less frame rates in games isn't going to hurt anyone that is using their computer for leisure purposes!
Personally I wouldn't even consider upgrading 'til - a: the price drops considerably and - b: the new socket is implemented and proven to run stable and reliably! I might even wait for PCI-X rev.1.1 before embarking on a new build.
Personally I wouldn't even consider upgrading 'til - a: the price drops considerably and - b: the new socket is implemented and proven to run stable and reliably! I might even wait for PCI-X rev.1.1 before embarking on a new build.
Yoshi
03-20-2004, 05:54 PM
For all you upgraders Neweggs got them (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-437&depa=0) :t
causticVapor
03-20-2004, 10:06 PM
"got 'em" as in having them listed on their site? lol.
RamonGTP
03-21-2004, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by porsch1909
i know that you will need a pretty powerfull CPU for those games but is a 3.4Ghz EE or a 2.4Ghz FX-53 not overkill. i mean too much. will a 2.8Ghz or 3.0Ghz C not be sufficient and a fraction of the price. i just think that getting something as powerfull as the FX 53 of EE is just too much just now. i havent included the prescott cause just now thats just a waste of money lol.
Well your question seems to ask "Do you NEED a CPU that powerfull for todays apps/games." The short answer to that is "NO" you don't NEED it. However, if you ask if your apps/games will run better with it, the short answer to that is "YES" software will naturally run better with more powerfull components.
Now if you ask a third question which is "is it worth it" well that all depends on the individual spending the $$$.
i know that you will need a pretty powerfull CPU for those games but is a 3.4Ghz EE or a 2.4Ghz FX-53 not overkill. i mean too much. will a 2.8Ghz or 3.0Ghz C not be sufficient and a fraction of the price. i just think that getting something as powerfull as the FX 53 of EE is just too much just now. i havent included the prescott cause just now thats just a waste of money lol.
Well your question seems to ask "Do you NEED a CPU that powerfull for todays apps/games." The short answer to that is "NO" you don't NEED it. However, if you ask if your apps/games will run better with it, the short answer to that is "YES" software will naturally run better with more powerfull components.
Now if you ask a third question which is "is it worth it" well that all depends on the individual spending the $$$.
causticVapor
03-22-2004, 12:45 PM
It's flagship prestige. I mean, this is the first time AMD has released a CPU faster than 2.25GHz... 1.5years.
2.33 GHz barton MP doesn't count because that seems vaporware.
2.33 GHz barton MP doesn't count because that seems vaporware.
Zappattazz
03-24-2004, 01:31 PM
Originally posted by RamonGTP
Well your question seems to ask "Do you NEED a CPU that powerfull for todays apps/games." The short answer to that is "NO" you don't NEED it. However, if you ask if your apps/games will run better with it, the short answer to that is "YES" software will naturally run better with more powerfull components.
Now if you ask a third question which is "is it worth it" well that all depends on the individual spending the $$$.
My CAD/Animation company MUST have the lastest, greatest, fastest CPUs in order to compete in our industry. We have NO LIMIT purchasing power -- the cost gets rolled into the customer's bill!:D
We use Quad Zeons as workstations, but use the fastest Intels in our Beowulf Cluster for 1 hour renderings!
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work!
Well your question seems to ask "Do you NEED a CPU that powerfull for todays apps/games." The short answer to that is "NO" you don't NEED it. However, if you ask if your apps/games will run better with it, the short answer to that is "YES" software will naturally run better with more powerfull components.
Now if you ask a third question which is "is it worth it" well that all depends on the individual spending the $$$.
My CAD/Animation company MUST have the lastest, greatest, fastest CPUs in order to compete in our industry. We have NO LIMIT purchasing power -- the cost gets rolled into the customer's bill!:D
We use Quad Zeons as workstations, but use the fastest Intels in our Beowulf Cluster for 1 hour renderings!
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work!
Strawbs
03-24-2004, 02:05 PM
Originally posted by Zappattazz
My CAD/Animation company MUST have the lastest, greatest, fastest CPUs in order to compete in our industry. We have NO LIMIT purchasing power -- the cost gets rolled into the customer's bill!:D
We use Quad Zeons as workstations, but use the fastest Intels in our Beowulf Cluster for 1 hour renderings!
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work! I though this was about FX, P4 and the like, but it seems to have escalated! ...Opteron Vs. Xeon (http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982).
:t
My CAD/Animation company MUST have the lastest, greatest, fastest CPUs in order to compete in our industry. We have NO LIMIT purchasing power -- the cost gets rolled into the customer's bill!:D
We use Quad Zeons as workstations, but use the fastest Intels in our Beowulf Cluster for 1 hour renderings!
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work! I though this was about FX, P4 and the like, but it seems to have escalated! ...Opteron Vs. Xeon (http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982).
:t
RamonGTP
03-24-2004, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by Zappattazz
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work!
I love how people make claims and don't back it up with anything but their own word, whats funny is that they talk like they've tried and tested both CPU's... Sorry but I don't think you convinced anyone. If you can post some real proof as Strawbs did, then maybe your claim would have some validity.
Why Intels? They are stable for this purpose and even fastest AMD can't compete in this type of work!
I love how people make claims and don't back it up with anything but their own word, whats funny is that they talk like they've tried and tested both CPU's... Sorry but I don't think you convinced anyone. If you can post some real proof as Strawbs did, then maybe your claim would have some validity.
porsch1909
03-24-2004, 04:07 PM
personal experience is usally good evidense but it should really have some hard evidense. and to be honest if you are using a CPU and it works well and does what you want there is really no poin tin changing brand or changing the CPU at all. until you need too
porsch1909
03-24-2004, 04:14 PM
actually reading the post strawbs made the opteron is the far far better multi proccessor chip lol. what is the itanium used for??
porsch1909
03-24-2004, 04:18 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=2002&p=11
this is a sensible website. lol. shows that any CPU just now isnt worth buying yet really and you shoulda ll just wait. the benchmarks also show the 3.4EE is pretty equal perhaps better than the FX-53. personally i would buy neither.
a change of subject. totally different but does anybody here have an MCP??? if so please tell me.
this is a sensible website. lol. shows that any CPU just now isnt worth buying yet really and you shoulda ll just wait. the benchmarks also show the 3.4EE is pretty equal perhaps better than the FX-53. personally i would buy neither.
a change of subject. totally different but does anybody here have an MCP??? if so please tell me.
Strawbs
03-24-2004, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by porsch1909
actually reading the post strawbs made the opteron is the far far better multi proccessor chip lol. I wonder if Zapp* will be reporting that fact to his bosses? :DOriginally posted by porsch1909
what is the itanium used for?? Itanium 2 (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/itanium2/).
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actually reading the post strawbs made the opteron is the far far better multi proccessor chip lol. I wonder if Zapp* will be reporting that fact to his bosses? :DOriginally posted by porsch1909
what is the itanium used for?? Itanium 2 (http://www.intel.com/products/server/processors/server/itanium2/).
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RamonGTP
03-24-2004, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by porsch1909
personal experience is usally good evidense but it should really have some hard evidense. and to be honest if you are using a CPU and it works well and does what you want there is really no poin tin changing brand or changing the CPU at all. until you need too
I agree, one of the points I was trying to make though is that I doubt Zappattazz has any personal expierence with FX chips. Hence his claims would be unfounded. Now I could be wrong, and he may have used the FX chips and simply found them too slow to do what he wants :rolleyes: and "upgraded" :rolleyes: to the intels... I doubt it though.
personal experience is usally good evidense but it should really have some hard evidense. and to be honest if you are using a CPU and it works well and does what you want there is really no poin tin changing brand or changing the CPU at all. until you need too
I agree, one of the points I was trying to make though is that I doubt Zappattazz has any personal expierence with FX chips. Hence his claims would be unfounded. Now I could be wrong, and he may have used the FX chips and simply found them too slow to do what he wants :rolleyes: and "upgraded" :rolleyes: to the intels... I doubt it though.
porsch1909
03-25-2004, 02:40 PM
when i joined the site first i thought that intel was streaks ahead of AMD. but they are not. both companies are pretty much equal since AMD realeased their 64 bit CPU. but i would not recomend someone to buy the athlon XP anymore unless they have a very small budget. the 64 3000 is a far superior chip. the athlon XP is dying i think. all you AMD people that think HT is a gimick, anandtech say it increases system performance by 5-6% thats not bad. and its expected that DOOM 3 and half life two will suppose HT, the multi threading thing, not too sure what its called.
i dont think zapp will be telling his boss just his mummy and daddy. lol
i dont think zapp will be telling his boss just his mummy and daddy. lol
Zappattazz
04-07-2004, 03:06 PM
Well, I spoke with the boss and he agrees we should with the more dependable company. If we switch to AMD chips, we would be left in the dust when AMD goes bankrupt.
It's not IF they go backrupt, it's WHEN they go bankrupt!!!
I have to agree with my boss -- he looks just like me!!!
RamonGTP: Do you know what a Beowulf Cluster is?
Straws: Our workstations are QUAD (4) Xeons with 32Gb of RAM on Supermicro P4QH8 motherboards
Supermicro (http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/GC-HE/P4QH8.cfm)
It's not IF they go backrupt, it's WHEN they go bankrupt!!!
I have to agree with my boss -- he looks just like me!!!
RamonGTP: Do you know what a Beowulf Cluster is?
Straws: Our workstations are QUAD (4) Xeons with 32Gb of RAM on Supermicro P4QH8 motherboards
Supermicro (http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/GC-HE/P4QH8.cfm)
Strawbs
04-07-2004, 06:08 PM
Thanks for the education re: the meaning of QUAD! I would never have known ...No really... thank you! :rolleyes:Originally posted by Strawbs
...Opteron Vs. Xeon (http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982).
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...Opteron Vs. Xeon (http://www.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.html?i=1982).
:t
porsch1909
04-08-2004, 06:02 AM
so thats why he cant manage more than one post every month or two because hes a boss of a multi-national orginisation. that explains it all, im sorry i ever doubted you zap...........what am i saying he is still making it all up.
AMD are not going bankrupt any time soon. they may in the distant future though, but they wont if they increase their prices slightly, just slightly.
AMD are not going bankrupt any time soon. they may in the distant future though, but they wont if they increase their prices slightly, just slightly.
Zappattazz
04-08-2004, 09:39 AM
I'm the boss of a small CAD/Animation business -- 10 employees. We do the grunt work for the bigger companies who don't want to pay a seperate guy $60/hour for low volume output. Our contracts provide a high volume output for half the cost.
For this reason, we have to provide our customers with quality work. I have some of the best workers who can guarantee this quality. I can increase my profits if I can get the completed work back to the customer in the least amount of time. This is why I need the fastest processing capabilities.
If I went with the AMD products, I could be jeopardizing a big contract if the chip failed and/or AMD folded. I would be spending tons of money trying to retrofit my workstations and lose my solid reputation in the industry.
For this reason, we have to provide our customers with quality work. I have some of the best workers who can guarantee this quality. I can increase my profits if I can get the completed work back to the customer in the least amount of time. This is why I need the fastest processing capabilities.
If I went with the AMD products, I could be jeopardizing a big contract if the chip failed and/or AMD folded. I would be spending tons of money trying to retrofit my workstations and lose my solid reputation in the industry.
porsch1909
04-08-2004, 10:09 AM
you say you need the fastest proccessing capabilities, but you dont the opteron is faster than the Xeon.
i have both intel and AMD, i prefer the intel because i think it is better and it is. but in this case AMD is better. and they are reliable solid proccessors. and i dont think any difference will be made to ure business if the processor company folded.
the opteron is cheaper and faster, what more do you want.
i have both intel and AMD, i prefer the intel because i think it is better and it is. but in this case AMD is better. and they are reliable solid proccessors. and i dont think any difference will be made to ure business if the processor company folded.
the opteron is cheaper and faster, what more do you want.
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