Misfiring system works with supercharger?

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Misfiring system works with supercharger?

[themac]

Originally posted by ATI RADEON 8500
Misfiring system works with supercharger?

ofcourse it does, why wouldn't it?

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Dunno I gotta find more info on supercharger. Thought Turbocharger was diffrent from superscuarger and misfiring would't work with the super one.

[themac]

Originally posted by ATI RADEON 8500
Dunno I gotta find more info on supercharger. Thought Turbocharger was diffrent from superscuarger and misfiring would't work with the super one.

I was being sarcastic. There is a difference between a supercharger and a turbocharger. A super charger goes on your intake system, and a turbo charger goes on the exhaust. Misfiring is never good, supercharger just increases the compression so i don't see how it would change whether or not your car was running, there's no tie between compression and misfiring. So it'd probably run just like before you had a super charger on it as far as misfiring goes.

[urdvurk]

I gather you are talking about engines here?

There is a link between compression and misfiring: if your compression goes up, lighting the mixture will become more difficult. Both superchargers and turbochargers stuff more mixture into the combustion chamber, increasing the pressure reached under compression. They don't actually increase the compression ratio, they increase the pressure you begin with and therefore the final pressure you reach.

I don't really get the question this thread started with, but:
- if you have a misfiring engine, adding a supercharger will not help;
- if you have a misfiring turbocharged engine, replacing it with a supercharger will not help;
- you can't simply put a supercharger on an engine, you have to lower the compression ratio accordingly;
- maybe you should check your ignition system and spark plugs before doing anything else. :t

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Yes we are talking about engines.

Basicly my question is will a misfiring work with a supercharged engine? But I guess not based on what I understand misfiring does something keeping turbocharged going when turbo is not geting enough exhaust. And Supercharged probally dont need it cause it is run using the engine belt.

I know misfiring does work with turbocharged engines but wasn't sure about supercharged.

[Vampiel]

"misfiring" engine=an engine that is misfiring? What are you talking about? A misfiring engine gives you that dreaded POP sound out of your exhause, and means your engine needs alot of work to fix. Please specify what you mean when you are talking about "misfiring".

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Fine then ALS (Anti Lag system) works with supercharger? Happy now?

[Billforce]

All you guy's better stick to working on PC's because you haven't the foggiest concept of an internal combustion engine...whether Turboed or supercharged. It is true that either will increase the demands on your ignition system. With either a supercharger or a turbo, the gas/air RATIO remains the same as natural aspiration but the increased PRESSURE and volume does require a hotter spark to ignite it. The best method of insuring an adequate spark is installing an MSI (solid state) ignition system that will provide approx. 50,000 volts discharged to the individual spark plugs. So in reality if you have misfires, generally it would only exascerbate the situation by increasing the pressure and volume with a turbo or a supercharger.
Both of them increase the volume of air (oxygen) introduced into the cylinders, consequently additional fuel is also intoduced. The increased volume of fuel/air mixture will produce more horsepower i.e. 12,000 b.t.u per Brake Horsepower and a gallon of gasoline containes approx. 150,000 btu's.
A natural aspirated engine vs. a turbocharged engine will see a horsepower increase of about 100% with the turboed engine with the same displacement and an air boost of about 8 p.s.i. because of the increased fuel introduced into the engine.

[Vampiel]

OK were did you copy and paste that from?

[mireland]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billforce
[B]All you guy's better stick to working on PC's because you haven't the foggiest concept of an internal combustion engine...




Geez, what a grouch...:rolleyes:

[genesound]

Originally posted by Vampiel
OK were did you copy and paste that from?

Umm, if you look around Sysopt some more, you'll see old Billforce there knows about these things, he11 I'll bet he knows what a wastegate is and how to... ah nevermind )-| :D

[Vampiel]

Well ill be.... I hope he doesnt get any oil on his glasses!:D

[genesound]

I go for the N2O on my glasses :D

Have a laugh,... it's on me! :D

[Billforce]

Originally posted by mireland
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billforce
[B]All you guy's better stick to working on PC's because you haven't the foggiest concept of an internal combustion engine...




Geez, what a grouch...:rolleyes:

I think there may be hope for you still....unlike retardation...ignorance may be cured through education:r :r

[alivin]

When I was a kid I did an apprenticeship at a Truck co, Fodens Trucks. Mechanical Fitting (thats where I learnt to hate factories)
One of the first engines we dissasembled was a supercharged & turbo'd 2-cycle diesel. the supercharger pressurised the crankcase mixture and the turbo pressurised it again before it entered the cylinder. It exausted through valves. It was thw wildest design I can remember. Ran like a champ forever. They also used them as generator engines, million hours without servicing.
Terminology is important misfiring or turbo-lag systems are totally not the same.
Thanks for reminding me of the old days:t

[urdvurk]

Originally posted by ATI RADEON 8500
Fine then ALS (Anti Lag system) works with supercharger? Happy now?
Well, yes. How is anybody supposed to know what you mean if you use a completely different word?

[genesound]

Hmm, Misfiring system (http://www.rallycars.com/Cars/bangbang.html) does seem a bit innocuous :rolleyes:

[r8500]

Back to the point.

ATI, do you have an engine that isn't firing correctly?

If so, when was the last time you changed the plugs, wires, distributor cap, and rotor?

[ATI RADEON 8500]

This has nothing to do with my car at all. I'm just trying to learn more about cars before I go extreme in the future. Hell the word "misfiring system" came up as ALS on google.com so... :rolleyes:

[r8500]

Misfire bad, naturally aspirated horespower good. What kind of car you thinking about building?

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Dont know what kind of car I'm going to make. It depends on how much I make after college.

Probally an 1995 Honda civic coupe if I cant afford an EVO :)

[ukulele]

Originally posted by ATI RADEON 8500
Dont know what kind of car I'm going to make. It depends on how much I make after college.

Probally an 1995 Honda civic coupe if I cant afford an EVO :)

:p ......and all along I thought he was talking about a real car. :p

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Ok ok maybe a Toyota MR-2 :p Nice little RWD car. I am not too found of huge car.

[r8500]

You should get yourself some nice classic Detriot iron. Perhaps like an early 70's Camaro. They are a blast to drive, and will take you for quite the ride. :)

[j.m@talk]

Quite snazzy those MR2's ......... Bit small for me tho....... Be ok as a 2nd weekend runaround tho :p Unfortunately I don't have 2nd weekend runaround Quids :(

1 2 3 all together now "Poor JM" :p

[fishybawb]

Originally posted by j.m@talk
Bit small for me tho

Ya fat bastage ;) :p

I love really huge 60s-era American cars, but sadly our roads just aren't built for 'em.

[r8500]

Originally posted by fishybawb
Ya fat bastage ;) :p

I love really huge 60s-era American cars, but sadly our roads just aren't built for 'em.

Whys that?

[fishybawb]

Why do I love them, or why are our roads too small? To explain the latter, our roads aren't big enough! ;) :p

[r8500]

You mean that they aren't wide enough? Thats odd. How wide are they?

[ATI RADEON 8500]

I dont like old cars at all. They all ugly to me and yes that include those 1950's hot rods and those ****.

[r8500]

Now how can you say this is ugly?

:)

[ATI RADEON 8500]

Originally posted by r8500
Now how can you say this is ugly?

:)

I defiently can... UGLY... IF thats your car... Sorry but no offense.

[r8500]

ATI, if you don't mind me asking. How old are you?

I'm just curious what generation of cars you grew up with.