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[yaroa]

I've gone without a cigarrette for five days so far. It's been hell.
Has any of you guys been sussesfull quiting? Whats the longest you've gone before falling off?

[MrEd]

Congrats, and good luck quiting!!!

The longest I've gone is two weeks. When I started back, my intake doubled! So be careful if you fall off, if you really want to quit, then quit for good, don't start back up. I now smoke 2 packs a day, and I just can't seem to find the urge to quit right away.

Let's go guys, lets give him some support!!! /forum/smile.gif

-MrEd
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[Susan]

Keep going, yaroa! /forum/smile.gif From what I hear it's after day ten that it gets much easier.

Do what I haven't been able to do for the same reason MrEd has given...no urge.

[socalgal]

Right on Yaroa! Heck, if you can stop for 5 days, you can stop forever. Right?

Looks like I'm in good company *puffpuff* with MrEd and Susan. /forum/wink.gif


(and please, I don't want to hear about kissing ashtrays. thank you.)

[MrEd]

Socalgal, sometimes ashtrays are the best kissers!! /forum/wink.gif

Besides, that's what gum is for isn't it?

(*COUGH, COUGH** excuse me.)

-MrEd
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[socalgal]

lol! *wheez* That's right MrEd! /forum/wink.gif *cough*

[Dominus]

My grandmother died of lung cancer a month ago. She smoked 2 packs a day for most of her life. I, for one cannot see any hilarity in such a foul habit. It has no positive effects, and leads to an enevitable early, and painful death.

Just something to think about.

As for trying to find the "urge" to quit, I'm sure a trip into the respiratory ward at your local hospital will be sufficient inspiration.

[Roy]

OK. Here's what worked for me. At some point I changed from Marlboros to Carletons. There were many days when I opened a fourth pack. Even if I smoked more, there was no way I could intake the same amount of nicotine. After a few months, I began to cough. I decided to stop cold a few weeks later, on my birthday. By that time, my body had pretty well been weaned of the nicotine part.

The day came and I found the other habit I had to break was the connection to routine activities ~ pour the coffee, light a smoke. Start the car, light up. Get on the highway, yup. Get off the highway, uh huh. etc., etc.

For each of these times, I slapped the back of my hand so hard that the sting lasted longer than the urge. And I said, usually out loud, "No, Roy does not smoke tobacco anymore!"

After six months, I noticed that a deep breath felt good in the tops of my lungs. What's interesting, is that 18 months later I found myself in one last activity where I had not broken the connection!

Since that time I have learned that smoking definitely is an addiction. If someone lights up near me, my body goes to inhale that second hand smoke before my brain can consicously tell it not to.

Now I'm happy to say it's been over 26 years since that day. It was not easy.

HANG IN THERE, YOU CAN DO IT!

[CMonster]

promise yourself no more than one day at a time - that way you will not let yourself down if you go back = no guilt - I think it's been about 900 days for me, this time around - the F@#%$^$#ing Northridge earthquake had started me up again for a couple years!!

[MrEd]

Dominus: Please allow me to retort. I understand your position, and am sorry about your grandmother. But I knew a guy that was 98 years old, and smoked since he was 15. He died of old age. That's it, old age. No side effects from smoking in his case, and he never had any smoking related illness, and I'm talking about heart problems, emphasima (?sp), nothing. Conversely, I've known people that are sick, or have died from smoking. So in my opinion, I don't think it's the smoking, it's just the way your body deals with it. I'll probably die of something related to smoking, but for now it's a habit I'm willing to live with. At least I don't use drugs. I've only smoked pot a couple times, and that was a long time ago. The hard stuff I don't even want to touch.

But if it makes you feel better, I smoke Marlboro Ultra Lights. It makes me feel better, anyway. And if they make anything lighter, I'll probably switch to those. Of course, anything lighter than an ultra light would be like, just breathing. Hmmm Marlboro straws..... that would be worth looking into.

Anyway, Point made, Dominus.

-MrEd
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"SURGEON GENERALS WARNING--*****ing about my smoking can be hazardous to your health."

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[skywalker[TSG]]

i stoped smoking 2months ago i smokes 3 packs of unfiltered camel per day hehe well the bad news is that ive started again but thats just because of the stress and depression i have because my sluthy sister if pregnant with a 21 year old and she is 15 /forum/frown.gif

[socalgal]

hmm. well, in addition to my cigarette breath, my foot doesn't taste very good either. /forum/frown.gif

I'm sorry Dominus, and you are absolutely correct. There IS no hilarity in it, in fact, when someone you know and care about is suffering the effects of this vile habit. And it is a vile habit. My apologies for my insensitivity.

CMonster, I didn't know you used to smoke! Good for you! /forum/smile.gif

skywalker, and you other young ones out there. Quit again now, the longer you smoke, the harder it is to quit. I am a case in point.

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[Dominus]

It's OK, I'm not trying to lay down a guilt trip on anyone; my grandmother had many opportunites to quit. She made her choices. I just hope that I at least give someone the "urge" to quit. I'm sure that if you saw my grandmother in her worst hours, that you'd never touch a tobacco product again.

[smokin1]

Well.. I see a topic like this and I have to at least *cough* comment...someday I will no longer be..*cough* *cough*...smokin1
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[dkozloski]

I went from smoking three packs a day (Phillip Morris Commanders and tearing off the filters) to zero in April of 1964. I can now go about ten minutes without wanting a cigarette. I was sitting in a Navy replacement barracks in Pearl Harbor waiting for my next ship to get back from Australia and I was so bored that I quit smoking, sat around and thought about it for something to do. I tell smokers now that if they had a spouse that tried to control them the same way cigarettes do they would slit their throat.

[Yoda]

Smoking is BAD for your health; that's FACT!
However many things are. If you think about the things you do every day that could be hazardous to your health/life yould be astonished. The greatest risk you take is participating in traffic. The real thing is don't think about it. If you like it; do it!
If you don't like it don't do it!

HABITS!
We all have habits, we need them. Think about the things you do everyday exactly the same way before you leave your home. If you change that once, you'll feel something is not right.

My uncle was 55 when he died from cancer. He smoked and drank a lot. But most people don't have half the fun he had in his short life.

For what it is worth. SMOKING WON'T KILL YOU!
It's the combination of smoking and the other aspects of your being that could be fatal.

Good Luck.

[mudoggy]

Yoda, smoking CAN, and the majority of the time, will kill you (at the least, usually shorten your life, complicate other health problems, or make your house stink LOL).

True, I have seen older people who have smoked, drank, etc all their life, and outlived those who didn't. Unfortunately, those are few and far between, GROSSLY outnumbered by those who succumbed to the effects of tobacco. The numbers do not lie.

I understand what you are trying to say, it's how you are saying it that made me perk up! hahahaha Nothing personal, just philosphical! /forum/smile.gif

I know: I grew up in a house with 2 smoking parents, had relatives who died from it, and both myself (admisitration)and my girlfriend work in healthcare. She's a RN, formerly on a Pulmonary floor and now in a critical care unit. I still get a pit in my stomach when I see the patients there, hooked up to oxygen 24 hrs a day, slowly shuffling 12 feet down the hall towing their tanks behind them, wheezing and having to rest.

We won't even discuss cancer patients.. there aren't many worse deaths, lingering and being consumed from the inside out. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.. regardless of how they got it or what choices the made/didn't make.

I salute all of you who quit, or who have tried. It's a drug.. it's not easy. My dad has quit twice.. the second time for many years, until he picked it up again. sigh...

True, you have to WANT to do it, though.
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Traffic: You do indeed take your life in your hands driving these days. I'm in my mid 20's, and is it just me, or are drivers even worse now and more dangerous than ever before? The idiot quotient seems awfully high out there now.. scary! :O

My two cents!!

[Anakhonda]

Here's my opinion:
As far as smoking goes, I'm as guilty as anyone in this room. I myself am repulsed by cigarrettes, but frequently enjoy a sweet, smooth Black & Mild /forum/smile.gif

But for those that say 'Smoking does kill you, it's a combonation of other things"... Dream on, baby. Maybe if you close your eyes, everything will be ok, right? Be honest with yourself -- Smoking f*cks you up, and eventually it will kill you. Maybe you'll get lucky, and die quickly in a car wreck before that time comes. But maybe you won't.

Ok, I'm done talkin about this.... I'm going to talk computers now /forum/smile.gif

[Bill Kunert]

You'll know you have it whipped when smoke smells terrible to you. As long as it still smells good you are vulnerable. Think of the computer you could buy with what you spen on cigarettes in a couple of years.
Good luck - it's a rough road but it is worth it.
Bill

[dave8311]

It was easy for me to quit.
I did it about a year ago.

My wife said I could get a cable modem, if I quit smoking..........hmmmmmmm, tough one.

The "fat pipe" is better for you, and at a carton a week, it's lot's cheaper /forum/smile.gif




(Please......no remarks about the wife "letting" me.) /forum/frown.gif

[IRED]

Cigs will be $4.00 per pack in non NY states by the end of the year.

HEY FOLKS,

It's time for us all to quit......

{As I take a hit off of my PALL MALL}

[jokostel]

to all of those who quit i give you my person gratitude and thanks that you dont waste you money like that anymore....

and to those who do waste their money on a habit like smoking; why do you do it??? ya know youre causing personal harm as well as those that are around you....
think of the computer parts and vacations you could take if you count up the packs you smoke per year and tell me if that dosent rack up enough bucks to build up a new computer or take a quick trip.....

thats my 2 cents...

i dont mean to be offensive to people who may feel offended i just feel I should be heard out on this type of subject.

[welsh wizard]

Good luck kicking them yaroa, 21 days to kick the habit, only 1 to undo it,
I gave up from 50 a day after smokimg for 12 years, 2 years no smokes, got in accident on wife's Honda ( shortened it by 2ft when some clown right gated me) when I came round at side off road some old Nurse off duty from local hospital gave me a John Player, I took it without thinking, I was dead meat, been smoking 2 packs a day since then 20 years and never got passed the 3 day.
SO DON'T START AGAIN, it's harder next time.

[chad174]

just a suggeston, dont remove my mebership or anything, and im not condoning this, this is my disclaimer...
WEED IS NOT AS BAD FOR YOU AS CIGARETTES, AND YOU GET A LOT BETTER HIGH OFF OF IT, AND YOU CANT GET ADDICTED UNLESS YOU TRY VERY HARD.

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[socalgal]

chad. Several problems with your "suggestion".

#1. You are suggesting something that is ILLEGAL in the U.S. and would subject one to criminal prosecution. (Unless one has proper medical authority to do so, as in the case of certain diseases [I believe])
#2. Anything can become addicting.
#3. Your "disclaimer" would never hold up in a court of law.

Please, do not suggest to anyone anything illegal in the future in these forums.


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[welsh wizard]

socalgal, is it illigal to suggest move to Holland! I belive it's legal there, please this is only a question, not a suggestion.
And yes I agree it's addictive and personally I think it's more damageing than the weed (weed here means cig's) not wacky bakky as it's known here or electric pooha ( please kiwi's if I spelt it wrong my appoliguise, I am omnly an import.

[chuckiechan]

I used the patch.. I stayed on the strongest one for 10 weeks.. yes, 10 weeks. I cheated a time or two, but didn't keep cheating.. the head rush was good, but the after-effects were negative. Finally, I stopped cheating and mentally became a non-smoker, (in a smoke-filled office, I will ad). I was on patch 2 for two weeks, and forgot to out one on one day-and didn't miss it, because my habit was no longer actively associated with cigarettes, but passively with "the patch".
One more thing.. Don't just slap on a patch. It may be too strong at first. Bend the patch in half first for say 50% contact, no sense using getting sick as another excuse not to try to quit!!

It's been four years now...I feel no better, I feel no worse, I gained and lost weight. My wife and kids are happy.

Confucious Chan says: Go For It!!

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[socalgal]

welsh wizard - no, it's not illegal to suggest moving somewhere.. /forum/smile.gif

It's not illegal to suggest anything. The people of the U.S. still have their constitutional right to free speech via the First Amendment.

But then, we shouldn't suggest to others or condone violating the law. Not here in these forums anyway.



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[yaroa]

Thanks all for your support.
Chad, been there, done that. The idea is to get rid of an addiction, not to substitute for a "milder" one.
I'm still "hanging in there"

[BBA]

I quit smoking a lot of times!

I was successful at least 3 of them...
LOL

One day I realized that I was planning my days around where I could be and be convienant to have a smoke, while also knowing I couldn't sit at a computer for more than 30 minutes without a 'clouded' perception of data ( IE: I couldn't think straight) unless I had a smoke!

Then the prices cme up...

So, as of Feb 1997, I haven't smoked yet!

Funny thing, I used to think about it whenever I would see someone smoking, or even see a pack, now I don't!

I'm Free at last!!!


BBA

[codybear]

its been 15 months....something about a daughter asking with tears in her eyes for you to quit............................kinda makes it easy

[Bleeding Edge]

You don't even have to want to quit....you just need a reason.

[welsh wizard]

Yaroa
Keep it up, your getting there

[nukes2]

Quitting was a very hard thing to do. I quit 15 yrs ago, and I could start back today. The habits of smoking were hard to break also. I found myself in places where I always stopped to smoke, had to change those spots and the rest seemed to get better. Sometimes, the smoke coming off of the smoking deck is very tempting. Stay the course. Good Luck, you can be successful.

[chad174]

free speach is a great thing, and im not suggesting, im aying that some people do do it instead of smoking ciggarettes because it is not as bad for, not suggesting, and my disclaimer would not need to hold up in a court of law, i could never get prosecuted for saying that.

[welsh wizard]

Hi yaroa
Are you still hanging in there.

[yaroa]

Welsh Wizard: Thank you for your interest. Yes, I'm still holding on, actually, I think that its getting a little bit easier. Some very rough spots during the day but not as bad as the first three days.
Tks.

[bringspeed]

i just waant to clarify the issue of whether marijuana is legal in the states. in a word, yes. in SOME states, marijuana is LEGAL! but, as was related clearly by the press when AZ (where i live) made it legal for medical reasons, it's NOT legal on a federal level. federal authorities have said explicitly that any doctor in AZ trying to prescribe it under the state law will be prosecuted under federal law, and given the maximum sentence. needless to say, there aren't any doctors who will prescribe it, or pharmacys who stock it. i have a friend who would qualify for it to be prescribed, and his doctor has told him that he would prescribe it for him, if there wasn't that federal law. basically, the reason that it was made legal was to try to influence the federal government to do the same. so, that's the long and the short of it. and, just for the record, marijuwana's bad, m'kay?

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[U-96]

Also for the record, I believe it is decriminalised in the Netherlands, not legal. You can only use marijuana products in your own home or on specially licenced premises, like the "coffee" houses.
It is not freely tradable, and you can still be prosecuted for possession with intent to supply if you do not have a licence.
The Dutch may well have pioneered tolerance of soft and hard drugs, and set up good support, education, and rehab facilities, but the majority of the population remains conservative in its attitude and frowns upon drug use.
Indeed, there is an active campaign to stop the licenced sale of marijuana products either to foreigners or all together, because of the drug "tourism" that has emerged in large cities and border areas that have "coffee" houses.

Just my two guilders worth,

U-96

[welsh wizard]

yaroa
Glad you are still in there. very crafty useing the site, makes it hard to fall off the wagon when every one is watching, Sorry to say I am still on two packs a day,just wish I could get my mind right to quit also, but you have my support in doing so, so i keep checking back to see how you are doing.
WW

[welsh wizard]

Hi yaroa
on my daily check to see how you are doing,
are you still smokeless?
I hope so as the fact that you are doing this online is starting to get my mind right to maybe have a go my self.

[Ygor]

Smoking is an addiction, no doubt about it. I am required to quit smoking, and am closer to actually doing that than ever before.

The program I am in requires stepping down intake, and Caleton's are the last step in still smoking. They are lowest in the stuff that hurts.

The next step is the patch, which I could not get from my previous doctor.

Although I might empathize somewhat with the suggestion someone else made earlier about "substitution", there are still 2 major problems aside from legality there. One is that taking any hot smoke into your lungs is really dumb when you actually think about it that way. The other is that you are likely to forget you aren't supposed to smoke cigarettes anymore as a result!

So... if you are trying to quit cigarettes, seek some medical assistance as it is an addiction. Surgeon General Koop requested a smoke-free America by the year 2000 and that has a lot to do with why the cost keeps going up. The governments (national & state) want to tax it out of affordability for everyone's "good" anyway.