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Bluehail
03-11-2004, 06:29 PM
The Pr0nstar 7K400 sounds like a more applicable name

Shockedder
03-11-2004, 07:08 PM
When is the little 1Tb baby coming ?
I'm up for that. :D
On another note , bigger is better , NO ? :p

bob05
03-11-2004, 07:22 PM
RAID array anyone? ;)

neverwhere
03-11-2004, 09:48 PM
RAID array? Overkill much? :p

_Mystical_Night
03-11-2004, 11:16 PM
*drool* too bad its probly going to be really really expensive ... possibly as much as the WD raptor drives

sm8000
03-12-2004, 02:00 AM
Anybody know the storage limit with 48-bit LBA? My math ain't up to snuff.

Terminator
03-12-2004, 04:45 AM
48 bit limit will be 2^48 = 281474976710656 bits

Converting to Terabytes will be 281474976710656/(8*1024*1024*1024*1024) = 32TB

Of course some manufacturers use 1000 rather than 1024 to convert which is why when you format say a 120GB drive it shows up as less than 120GB..usually it'll show up as slightly over 114GB. Using the same maths a manufacturers quoted 500GB drive will show up as approx 477GB!

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crimsonoa
03-12-2004, 11:54 AM
You loose space when formating too.

Cyan
03-12-2004, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by crimsonoa
You loose space when formating too.

about 8megs with XP I think.

causticVapor
03-12-2004, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by _Mystical_Night
*drool* too bad its probly going to be really really expensive ... possibly as much as the WD raptor drives

:eek: as much... probably about twice as much...

look at the price of the 300GB maxtor :eek:

richard_cocks
03-14-2004, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by Terminator
48 bit limit will be 2^48 = 281474976710656 bits

Converting to Terabytes will be 281474976710656/(8*1024*1024*1024*1024) = 32TB

Of course some manufacturers use 1000 rather than 1024 to convert which is why when you format say a 120GB drive it shows up as less than 120GB..usually it'll show up as slightly over 114GB. Using the same maths a manufacturers quoted 500GB drive will show up as approx 477GB!
:t

465GB by my maths :p

Terminator
03-14-2004, 03:52 PM
Obviously I didn't mention when manufacturers started using x1000 for advertising their hard drive capacities.

Not going to get involved in a maths debate but the brief history is :-

8 bits to the byte
1024 bytes = 1 kilobyte
1024 kb = 1 Megabyte (here some,not all, manufacturers used 1000)
1024MB = 1 Gigabyte (most if not all manufacters used 1000)
1024GB = 1 Terabyte.

Using this a TRUE 500GB drive would be 500*8*1024*1024*1024 bits
Using manufacturers guide 500Gb = 500*8*1024*1000*1000 bits. = 4096000000000bits.

Using true conversion back to GB =(4096000000000/(8*1024*1024*1024) = 476.8GB ~ 477GB

Using this same conversion gives me EXACTLY the capacity my Seagate 120GB drive shows up as.

I understand where you got 465Gb , probably my fault for not pointing out that they all use 1024 to calculate the number of bytes.

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richard_cocks
03-14-2004, 04:40 PM
so they use 1024B for a KB? why do they do that then use 1000KB for a MB?

Terminator
03-14-2004, 05:54 PM
Good question. Only answer is they can advertise higher capacity drives than they actually are. My 120GB drive formats as 114GB...6GB 'lost'. I first noticed this disparagies when drives moved above 20GB. In the days when I first built computers the drive capacities were 20-40 MB drives and they formatted exactly as stated. When they hit 20GB they still formatted as exactly 20GB but once I had drives over 40GB I noticed this 'lose' in capacity and tried to work out where it had gone and stumbled on an article which explained it.
I just put it down to marketing. If you have a drive over 40GB try the equation and I bet you it comes extremely close to the formatted capacity.

To save the maths :-

60GB ---> 55.879GB
80GB ---> 76.294GB
100GB --> 95.367GB
120GB --> 114.441GB
140GB --> 133.514GB
160GB --> 152.588GB
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400GB --> 381.490GB

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gjimene2
03-14-2004, 06:15 PM
It sucks that most manufacturors label their systems in the "unformated capacity"


The 400GB drive would be good to also use in digital surveillance systems.

_Mystical_Night
03-14-2004, 07:15 PM
you forgot 250 gigs :p

I hope this brings down the value of current hard drives even more :p i want like x8 hard drives :x :x