Mac G5... obsolete already?

[Bigjakkstaffa]

http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040214.gtmacfeb16/BNStory/Technology/

--Jakk:t

[Swordfish]

MacMall is touting the sale as an opportunity to "own a piece of history."

:t

[the_mac]

the g5 is in no way obsolete. what they are doing is switching to the new rack mounted g5, these are teh xserves. the g5 tower was not meant to be a server comptuer, although it works well it is much larger than any rackmounted server. now that the xserve g5's are out, virginia tech is switching to these.

[cwin]

It was obsolete when it was released... its a mac for gods sake ;)

[FrnchDp]

Originally posted by cwin
It was obsolete when it was released... its a mac for gods sake ;)

I have to agree with the nerd on this one!! :p


:t

[cwin]

:D

[mireland]

Originally posted by cwin
It was obsolete when it was released... its a mac for gods sake ;)



I'll have fries and coke with that mac please..:D

[FrnchDp]

Maybe if they had called them Granny Smith instead of Mackintosh...



:r

[the_mac]

Originally posted by cwin
It was obsolete when it was released... its a mac for gods sake ;)

You guys are a bunch of idiots, you can't knock macs. There's no reason to hate pc's, and there's no reason to hate macs, theyre both excellent machines. Now say what you wanna say about the operating systems of either, but both machines are something to respect.

[cwin]

Originally posted by the_mac
You guys are a bunch of idiots, you can't knock macs. There's no reason to hate pc's, and there's no reason to hate macs, theyre both excellent machines. Now say what you wanna say about the operating systems of either, but both machines are something to respect. :rolleyes:


the mac is ****
should i insert an underscore between 'the' and 'mac'
;) :p :D

[the_mac]

Originally posted by cwin
:rolleyes:


the mac is ****
should i insert an underscore between 'the' and 'mac'
;) :p :D

any reasons? and i mean other than "they suck"

[alivin]

psst mac,
I think theyre joking,you know, nerd humour
:D

[the_mac]

Well i was hoping we could get to the part where they start inserting an _ , in there.

[cwin]

Originally posted by the_mac
any reasons? and i mean other than "they suck" i have my reasons, but im in bed and cant see why i should waste more time on a mac, or the_mac as the case may be


:-@ Have fun on yer Macs:t

[j.m@talk]

I wanna Mac..........................

Prefrebly for free

What do they do anyways?
:t

[mireland]

Originally posted by cwin
:rolleyes:


the mac is ****
should i insert an underscore between 'the' and 'mac'
;) :p :D



Nerd boy is full of pep today..:D

[the_mac]

Originally posted by cwin
:-@ Have fun on yer Macs:t

unfortunately I only have a g3 ibook. I wish i had more than one though. g5 powerbooks, cant wait.

[zybch]

AT last, a Mac worth buying!

[CompGeek01]

I'd really like the ignorance to stop or at least tell me you're all joking.

I'm still sad they didn't sell them to the students who helped set up the original cluster.

[mpc2]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
http://www.globetechnology.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040214.gtmacfeb16/BNStory/Technology/

--Jakk:t


You might want to go back and reread the article?

[Bob The Great]

There may be a speed increase to 2.5Ghz very (http://news.com.com/2100-1006_3-5158615.html?tag=nefd_top) soon. I don't know for sure though, but apples aren't bad. There just different.

[ukulele]

My cousin (a Mac fan) sent me an article a year or so ago touting the Mac as a super computer. Can you say "super computer" he says to me. He was smug in the knoledge that his new G5 was a super computer. When I pointer out that the Mac super computer was actually made of over a thousand G5's linked together, he says no way. Mac people.....gees! :rolleyes:

[zybch]

The only mac that I would ever be tempted to buy would be one of the newer powerbooks.
But even so, I'd still probably go with a PC with 2 times the power for 2/3 the price :)

There is a great acronym for macintosh but I can't remember it.
It something like:

Machine Alway Crashes Install New ***** Operating System, Hurry!

Can anyone tell me what it is?

[the_mac]

I'm sure you've heard of calculations per clock cycle right? And how much are you willing to pay to be able to use an operating system infinitely better than windows? And yes, releasing os x for pc would be the greatest thing apple ever did. But if they gave up their ibook/powerbook industry i'd cry, i love my ibook, apple's laptops are the best i've ever seen.

[stevedownunder]

Originally posted by the_mac
i love my ibook, apple's laptops are the best i've ever seen.

Mate, you just summed it all up in one sentence, the best you ever SEEN, Macs are design to appeal to people who use them, mostly designer/arty people so they make them LOOK nice. With a Mac I got about as far a the one button, one click mouse and decided I didn't like USING it, but each to thier own.

On the subject of the AppleCrap, ermm sorry Mac,

The last time I looked into a Mac’s innards it was basically a PC in a pretty box.
It had an IDE HDD, SDRam, RJ45 & USB I just couldn’t find the Intel badge on the CPU. :)

Really the only thing that separates PC’s from Macs is that Macs are designed to look “nice”. Yes the OS and architecture is different but really, XP, OsX not a lot of difference.

OK so you can argue all day about clock cycles and Mhz but some people just like a Mac because they do. Basically if you want to work in professional DTP or a design house, learn about Macs, for everything else use a PC.

There are however a few inescapable facts:

1. PC are more customizable/tweakable, (hence less stable).
2. Mac notebooks look better
3. Desktop Macs look like a childs toy.
4. Not as much software is developed for the Mac as the PC.
5. PC’s are better BECAUSE THEY ARE

Steve

Ps: the_mac: do you really own a Mac? I never actually met an individual who owns one. The last of a dying breed, they will have to pickle you in a jar when you go :)

[zybch]

http://www.ihateapple.com/gallery/crapshoot.jpg

[tasty danish]

yeah he owns a mac, and i must say, it is as far as laptops go, FAR superior to any laptop i've USED. (and believe you me, i've used me some laptops). i can't imagine what a g4 would be like.
however, im a pc geek, i like the tweakablility and the fact that i can build one for very cheap.

however, if i was to buy a new computer, i wouldnt even think of buying a pc. if im going to shell out the extra cash on a prebuilt, i would go mac. using the_mac's mac i have found that they have come a long way in available software and performance is very respectable. not to mention that the os hands windows its @r$e.

i will stay with the tried and true pc for my baby, but if i buy a laptop, or if this tcpa non-sense catches on, i will not hesistate to go mac.

[zybch]

TCPA would be the ONLY reason I'd ever go Mac for a desktop system Notebook would be a different thing alltogether if I had the exessive $$$.

[mireland]

Ahh yes..Mac vs Pc. to go along with that there's Intel vs AMD, and Linux vs microsoft, and whatever else you NERDS like to argue about...:D

[zybch]

We aren't arguing we all know that anyone with a desktop Mac should be burned alive.

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg

Someone posted this pic a while ago. It still rings true!

[stevedownunder]

but it's not an argument it's an informed and educated discussion :D

[mireland]

Originally posted by stevedownunder
but it's not an argument it's an informed and educated discussion :D


err right, and chickens get cavities..:rolleyes:




:D

[zybch]

Yup, thats where the stuffing goes!
I'd have though that you'd know that, after all, you have an awful lot of stuffing :p

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland
err right, and chickens get cavities..:rolleyes:

:D

I know all there is to know about chicken orifi ;)

[zybch]

I bet you do. You probably have a restraining order relating to them too eh? :p

[cwin]

Originally posted by tasty danish
yeah he owns a mac, and i must say, it is as far as laptops go, FAR superior to any laptop i've USED. (and believe you me, i've used me some laptops). i can't imagine what a g4 would be like.
however, im a pc geek, i like the tweakablility and the fact that i can build one for very cheap. I prefer my 2.8GHz Laptop to ANY Mac or Powerbook i have ever had the "pleasure" of using
:rolleyes:

And my laptop has firewire for vid-editing... does it really well and faster than any mac i have seen

[tasty danish]

funny, seeing as how firewire is a mac thing.

you do realize that a mac with a little over half of your ghz will perform the same right?

[cwin]

Originally posted by tasty danish
funny, seeing as how firewire is a mac thing.

you do realize that a mac with a little over half of your ghz will perform the same right? I have been on a few 1.33GHz powerbooks and they didnt even nearly match my laptop, nor have the amount of features.. or STABILITY!!! :rolleyes:

Amittedly firewire is a mac thing, but without it, PC would have found a better way :eek:

[tasty danish]

1.33ghz powerbooks?
what kind: graphics, ram, generation, etc.

features? like what? as far as stability goes.... windows vs. unix... thought so.

"pc would have found a better way"

wow... way to argue your point.
"well, even though it's awesome, i can't give credit to mac in any way shape or form so instead of come up with an educated response i'm going to say that somehow pc would have made a better invention than firewire, even though the best pc had was usb till someone decided to steal firewire from mac, and even though "pc" (whoever the hell that is) has had plenty of time to improve upon firewire (it's been here for years people), they can't because it is way faster than neccessity dictates."

[zybch]

Originally posted by cwin
I have been on a few 1.33GHz powerbooks and they didnt even nearly match my laptop, nor have the amount of features.. or STABILITY!!! :rolleyes:

Amittedly firewire is a mac thing, but without it, PC would have found a better way :eek:

Actually firewire is a Sony thing. iLink anyone? But just like USB apple addopted it early.
The PC market waited until it was somewhat matured before stepping in.

[ukulele]

What's the excuse for the one button mouse and fruit flavored enclosures?

BTW...ask yourself why apples best market is San Francisco.

[zybch]

http://www.ihateapple.com/humor/imocked.jpg

[cwin]

Originally posted by tasty danish
1.33ghz powerbooks?
what kind: graphics, ram, generation, etc.
not too sure, but they were obviously pretty good bein 1.33GHz
features? like what?
Software features on PCs WAY exceeds macs, then ya get all the hardware extra thingys and bits that i dont actually use ;) but some ppl might
as far as stability goes.... windows vs. unix... thought so.
Its a lie, macs arent anywhere near as stable as unix, one of them crashed on a disc that my lappy read no probs, it was scratched a fair bit, and it did take a little while to access it, but it didnt freeze. I havent had a CD freeze XP, 98 yeah, not XP tho.
Macs crash quite a bit (not as much as 98 or untuned PCs maybe), its harder to get files back too.

Mac is unix without the power/ability to serve files well/stability ;)


"pc would have found a better way"

wow... way to argue your point.
"well, even though it's awesome, i can't give credit to mac in any way shape or form so instead of come up with an educated response i'm going to say that somehow pc would have made a better invention than firewire, even though the best pc had was usb
i dont like USB, wish we could migrate fully to firewire
till someone decided to steal it from mac, and even though "pc" (whoever the hell that is) has had plenty of time to improve upon firewire (it's been here for years peopel),
They dont need to improve on it, no devices really stretch firewire, and by "pc" i meant manufacturers like Intel :p
they can't because it is beyond current needs."
My network is 1gbps and firewire is 400mbps, i can only ever get usage to like 15% on transfering files over it... the hdd's cant copy a GB in 8 seconds, especially the laptop one

[cwin]

http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/
http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/toilet_09.gif

[cwin]

Originally posted by zybch
Actually firewire is a Sony thing. iLink anyone? But just like USB apple addopted it early.
The PC market waited until it was somewhat matured before stepping in. Cool, the only things i give mac credit for gone :p

[the_mac]

Originally posted by stevedownunder
Mate, you just summed it all up in one sentence, the best you ever SEEN, Macs are design to appeal to people who use them, mostly designer/arty people so they make them LOOK nice. With a Mac I got about as far a the one button, one click mouse and decided I didn't like USING it, but each to thier own.

On the subject of the AppleCrap, ermm sorry Mac,

The last time I looked into a Mac’s innards it was basically a PC in a pretty box.
It had an IDE HDD, SDRam, RJ45 & USB I just couldn’t find the Intel badge on the CPU. :)
Yes the OS and architecture is different but really, XP, OsX not a lot of difference.

There are however a few inescapable facts:

1. PC are more customizable/tweakable, (hence less stable).
2. Mac notebooks look better
3. Desktop Macs look like a childs toy.
4. Not as much software is developed for the Mac as the PC.
5. PC’s are better BECAUSE THEY ARE

Ps: the_mac: do you really own a Mac? I never actually met an individual who owns one. The last of a dying breed, they will have to pickle you in a jar when you go :)

I really hope youre joking, in all seriousness. XP and OSX, not a lot of difference. whoa. first of all, it's a bsd system. anybody that knows anything knows that *nix systems hand windows it dying legs when it comes to stability. Not a lot of difference? you said it yourself, you've never known anybody that owned one, if you've never used it than you should not say that there is no difference in the os.

hardware customization, absolutely, if you wanna build your own get a pc. but if you're talking about os than take a step back and look again. there's just as big of an open source mod community for macs as there is for linux on pc.

pc's for everything else? would you beleive this. funny cuz halo is on average playable on an 800mhz g3 (comparable to p3) ibook (384mb sdram) with a 32mb ati rage graphics card. hmmmmm. unreal tournament 2003 average fps 30-40 at 800x600 high details settings. so do the laptops "just look good?". interesting.

one button mice? as far as i'm concerned anybody that uses a standard mouse on a desktop is nuts, go get a logitech mx700 instead. why one button? its just their thing, apple's used to people stealing their ideas instead of stealing other's. as far as mice on laptops, the trackpad is awesome, and with an open source driver (no customization?) you can completely customize the operation of the trackpad, for instance enabling the tap as left click and the button as right. and if you don't either have a third party mouse or are too dumb to get a driver than it is common knowledge that command click will emulate a right click.

yes i do own a mac, no i'm not alone. all of my friends that don't own want one. and no we're not dying, we're growing. check the stats. the number of mac users has nearly tripled in the past two years. this is for the most part because of os x because os9 was not that great if you ask most people, including me, i used to hate mac because of the operating system. pre os x sucked, you can quote me on that.

and then about 6 months ago i took another look since os x had evolved and its the best operating system i have ever used. including linux systems. if you like the stability of linux and hate the setup, than you love os x. if you don't know what the hell linux is or how to use it but know that you hate windows, than you love os x, if you love linux, the command line, and have been waiting for a good window server, than you love os x.

[mpc2]

Originally posted by zybch
Actually firewire is a Sony thing. iLink anyone? But just like USB apple addopted it early.
.

Actually...it's not. You have it backwards. Sony adopted it early, but Apple invented it...then took it to the IEEE in order to get it made into a standard.

[the_mac]

Originally posted by zybch
Actually firewire is a Sony thing. iLink anyone? But just like USB apple addopted it early.
The PC market waited until it was somewhat matured before stepping in.

to get technical about it companies don't create standards, standards organizations do. so who created firewire? IEEE did. who created USB? IEEE did. so no mac didn't create firewire, nor did any pc company, but mac has supported firewire and usb for the longest time. and WAY better than windows has.

[the_mac]

Originally posted by cwin
http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/
http://www.electric-chicken.co.uk/toilet_09.gif

I've said it before and i'll say it again, how much is a prebuilt dual 2.0ghz 64bit pc machine? oh wait, they don't have those yet. (also note that mac's processors have been handing it to pc's for the longest, so you'd have to have way higher than 2 ghz to compare to a mac 64bit) but you can easily buy a 32bit machine for 3 grand+ from dell. so i don't want to imagine how much any COMPARABLE g5 setup for pc would be from dell.
5grand+ i'm guessing.

[stevedownunder]

It’s great to see someone who is so passionate about their cause; not kidding it really is !!

BUT …. Think about it, to triple the amount of people who bought Mac’s last year you only need to buy one for two of your mates
:D

[zybch]

Originally posted by the_mac
to get technical about it companies don't create standards, standards organizations do. so who created firewire? IEEE did. who created USB? IEEE did. so no mac didn't create firewire, nor did any pc company, but mac has supported firewire and usb for the longest time. and WAY better than windows has.
The way I understand it was that IEEE created the standard but Sony not Apple were the first to actually build a product around it (a digital video camera). They got very cozy with Apple and Apple added a firewire port to some of its PCs.

[tasty danish]

if that's the case, then the fact that sony had it first is irrelevant to this discussion. a digi cam is not a desktop

[the_mac]

Originally posted by zybch
The way I understand it was that IEEE created the standard but Sony not Apple were the first to actually build a product around it (a digital video camera). They got very cozy with Apple and Apple added a firewire port to some of its PCs.

some? go find one that doesnt have it. they've had it in every one since g3's. apple's in love with firewire and usb. i'm not complaining cuz i like them more than ps/2, but even mice and keyboards have been all usb on apple for the longest time. they went crazy over that stuff.

[the_mac]

Originally posted by stevedownunder
It’s great to see someone who is so passionate about their cause; not kidding it really is !!

BUT …. Think about it, to triple the amount of people who bought Mac’s last year you only need to buy one for two of your mates
:D

so the increasing number of mac users isn't important because of who's buying them? or are you saying that i should try to take it even farther and buy one for all my friends?

not sure what you meant

[zybch]

http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song/

[the_mac]

the person that made this was high, but not as high as the moon, because the moon is very high

[sm8000]

I appreciate Mac and respect it. It's a good system and very useful. You just need some intuition to figure out how to use a computer. It's not that hard.

I also like the fact that they made USB, FireWire, SCSI, and 64-bit PCI common on desktops to a greater degree (IMHO) than PCs.

[CompGeek01]

Thank you the_mac, I appreciate you fighting the good fight...but you won't get through to them.

They are bias and have no open mind.

Look, I have never owned a Macintosh, but they have ALWAYS been a cutting edge technology company. Ever heard of the Newton? Technology way beyond it's time. Furthermore, I'm sorry for all you non-believers but any kind of PC is going to run "faster" in your eyes because you like to run games and PC made software. As the_mac said, BSD based systems such as OSX are laughable compared to windows in terms of stability.

Run a stable FreeBSD/NetBSD for a few months and it'll teach you to love BSD.

I'm not saying Mac's are gods gift to man, they are VERY expensive (but they make GREAT clusters lol). Please stop the ignorance, just because YOU don't like them, and (maybe) have never USED one, don't spit out stupid statements like...


5. PC’s are better BECAUSE THEY ARE


They just make the opposition look more stupid.

[tasty danish]

finally, some openmindedness.:)

[stevedownunder]

Originally posted by the_mac
so the increasing number of mac users isn't important because of who's buying them? or are you saying that i should try to take it even farther and buy one for all my friends?

not sure what you meant


What I meant was :

" the number of mac users has nearly tripled in the past two years." Quote

So you mean they sold an extra two? Meaning they only sold one last year.

Either way I was only kidding.:)

[mpc2]

Originally posted by the_mac
to get technical about it companies don't create standards, standards organizations do. so who created firewire? IEEE did. who created USB? IEEE did. so no mac didn't create firewire, nor did any pc company, but mac has supported firewire and usb for the longest time. and WAY better than windows has.

Not quite. Companies (sometimes other organization like Universities, etc. do too) invent technologies, and if they wish them to become a standard...they can submit it to a body such as the IEEE in order to do so.

In this case...Apple invented FireWire then submitted it to IEEE for standardization. IEEE doesn't invent anything...it is just a standards body.

[the_mac]

Originally posted by mpc2
Not quite. Companies (sometimes other organization like Universities, etc. do too) invent technologies, and if they wish them to become a standard...they can submit it to a body such as the IEEE in order to do so.

In this case...Apple invented FireWire then submitted it to IEEE for standardization. IEEE doesn't invent anything...it is just a standards body.

quite possible, but we have the ieee to thank for the standard specification, and i'm sure they modified it some.