Regrettably, I need to learn to use an Imac :(

[Hawkeye178]

I've used one a long time ago but I have never tried using the new ones. The High School I'm going to, Glenbard North, you've probably never heard of it, only has Imacs for student use and I was wondering how much different it is than using Windows?

Thanks,
Hawkeye178

P.S. Now I won't be one of the most advanced computer people in the school http://www.sysopt.com/forum/frown.gif.

[dyer_maker]

It won't take you long and then I bet you will be just as advanced. Most things with computers are similar...this way you will be knowledgeable in both PC's and IMAC's...think of all that knowledge!!!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

dyer_maker

[wyvrn]

It is pretty similar. You will miss the second mouse button. There is no scandisk and defrag, and the computers are slower at multitasking. They do have MSOffice for MAC though so that will be the same. Appletalk and network connectivity in general really suck on MAC's.

[Cody]

wyvrn: actually, iMacs are faster in (some) applications.

Basically, the iMac makes you look for the easy way. Most things are put in obvious locations, where PC users will never look.

Use Control-Click for the RightClick as similar to a PC. Look at you local library for ANY mac book. The best ones are writting by David Pogue.

[thekingofpain]

Yer gonna be surprised...
You may well even notice why 1000's and 1000's of folks are called Mac Addicts...

[TechDude]

Dont worry.. its very easy if you know how to use a pc.

My school only has IMacs too.

There wont be a "start" button. And the toolbar will be on the top. There should be folders on the desktop, one of them should be called "launcher". That is just about the same as the start button on pc. There wont be the "file, edit, etc" manus on the window... instead the toolbar will replace it.

That should be all you need to know =)

[TechDude]

Double post..

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[surrealchereal]

It is pretty similar. You will miss the second mouse button.
Actually when I was at the MAC Expo in San Francisco last Jan. The mice had NO buttons. You just push down on it instead. They say it was because Jobs got irritated (toned down) when Mac users wanted two buttons. So he took the one away. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
Also you should know it took Gates a long time to get his stuff to act like the Mac OS http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif
And No I am not a Mac spy, or Mac user http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[surrealchereal]

BTW, Embrace every chance to learn something new. If for no other reason than to appreciate what you have. http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[MrBaseball]

I love iMac's. I don't own any but a friend of mine does. I love messing around on them, plus they look pretty cool.

My school has a mac lab and a PC lab... but the PC lab is pumped up with pentium 2 350's with 64mb ram. And their gateways. The mac lab is full of g3 400's and 450's. I hope we get some new pc's this year because man are they slow.

[wyvrn]

wyvrn: actually, iMacs are faster in (some) applications.

DUH! I said Mac's were slower at multitasking, which they are. Each app does not get its own memory space, and MAC OS 9 and below use cooperative multitasking, which means one app locking up can lock the whole computer. And, one app threads must finish before another starts, which is why they are slower at multitasking.

I am well aware of the benefits of a Macintosh over a pc, though they are very few.

[Gutter Ball]

Don't worry, Macs are sponsored by Fisher Price and Kids R Us! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif Very easy to learn!! This is all hearsay from me, I haven't touched a Mac since they were called Apples so I dunno if they really are that easy. We used to joke with one of the Mac users and we argued back and forth with those kind of lines http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I conveniently forget the ones he came up with for the PC though.

[Hawkeye178]

NO MOUSE BUTTONS AHH, J/K, thanks guys http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.

Thanks,
Hawkeye178

[Hellmund]

Goodluck hawkeye, At uni they got tonnes of Imacs....took a month until I fluked the reset button....it doesn't even look like a button!. My mistake was looking for the case under the desk....the whole PC is behind the dam monitor! Then there was turning one of those things on for the first time! You just have to hold one of the keys (can't describe it) down for like 3 seconds. I also hated the resolution. The Banner adds are enormous at 640X480! I'll stick with my PC thankx http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif I've had this monitor for over 6 years and it still does 1024X768@60hz.

I also disliked the keyboards, the keys were minitature, I went from about 40 wpm to 18 wpm cause I kept pressing 3 keys at once.....
As you may be able to tell I don't relish my time with macs http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

[Cody]

wyvrn: Mac OS X uses Unix-Like Architecture, so it does have it's own memory space, and is faster than ANY WinOS computer at that.

BTW: did you know a 400MHz Mac can beat the stuffing out of a 800MHz PIII Coppermine??

Most of the time even a 1GHz PC..

Oddd....

[wyvrn]

Cody:

Yes I know about OS X. Nice OS though too little too late for Mac.

BTW: did you know a 400MHz Mac can beat the stuffing out of a 800MHz PIII Coppermine??

Most of the time even a 1GHz PC..

Oddd....


No its not odd, it is complete BS! Maybe a 400 G3 can beat out a PIII 800 in Photoshop, maybe. But why would anybody be stupid enough to pay $3x for a Mac when they can build a $600 AMD system that will kick the **** out of the mac in 99% of benchmarks.

edit: I wonder why I am even posting. This is so trivial I'm not going to waste any more time in this thread.

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[alphageek]

iMacs are alright, but it seems like Apple brainwashing is part of teacher workshops. The AtEase system at my old school sucked big time. All of the 600 students (about 200 computers) loged on to one 266 MHz G3 Server (just a glorified desktop) that seemed to be down more than it was up. Hopefully your Network Admin knows enough to run OS X Server.

[codybear]

the Mac is really an awesome computer that we all would be using today if Billy hadnt bought the help away...even he admitted that the mac was a better system but didnt have the money and he bought all the good people working on it..

[Hawkeye178]

I hope so too alphageek http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif. Cody, are the Imacs really that good?

Hawkeye178

[Cygnus-X1]

LOL!
Well at least they are a good barometer to compare between each other's diferences.
I don't like apple cause they are so alienated compared to PC's with respect to gaming and software (obvious to us) etc.
Maybe one day we all will be on the same page. But money and ideas and schemes rule.
It is up to the public to decide and so far it seems like PC's are popular.
It doesn't hurt to appreciate some of the features and supposed speed of these apples.
http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

[Scorpio69]

Somebody get wyvern a Valium!

I have the same response to this as to the Intel vs. AMD debate. Be very glad there is competition. Neither is truly better than the other, each having benefits and shortcomings.

I have heard that Microsoft designs their webpages on a Mac. I know people who do video and sound editing only on Macs. I beleive the G4 is so fast because of the 128 bit data bus (Please correct me if I'm wrong here). Don't be mad at them for getting there first. Be mad at Intel and AMD for lagging behind.

Definitely look at this as a learning experience, not a bad thing. I have a friend who I "lost to the dark side" when he had to buy a G4 for his sound editing. Now he actually criticizes PC's!

[wyvrn]

LOL Scorpio I don't need a valium. But I do need to learn when not get involved in trivial arguments. However I do question anyone who seriously think Mac's and pc's operate on the same level, regardless of the obvious price issues.

[Dputiger]

<rolls eyes>

People who really want to understand the differences between G4, P4, and K7 architecture, hit www.arstechnica.com (http://www.arstechnica.com) and look at their extensive examination of the issue.

The G4 does not always beat the P4, which does not always beat the K7, which does not always beat the G4 or the P4. Depends on what you're doing, how you're doing it, and what you are trying to test.

[crockett]

here this will help you get started on the Mac http://www.yaromat.com/macos8/index.htm

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif btw even though I use a PC, and I'm not some Apple lover but, I have used them a few time and I will say they could have blown the doors of the PC if Apple had any business since.

[hawkeye177]

Go to Sears and screw around with their computers. I too will be going to GBN.

[Hawkeye178]

Thanks everybody, I'm not as scared anymore http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.

Hawkeye178

[Cody]

wyvrn: I am sick of your biased bull...

Macs are THE thing to get if you are doing heavy graphics.

Period.

End of discussion.

You seem to have the attitude of the snobs of the PC world "too little too late". Microsoft's OS is/was a rip of of Apple's DR-DOS... so basically, you are using an OS RIGHT NOW! that was built on something APPLE made.

jeez

[rh71]

Identity crisis Hawkeye?! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

Anyway, you should be glad to have any computers in high school. We had no such thing unless it was a Wordperfect/Typing class or something. And that was 1991-1995. You're fortunate!

[Warthog]

Don't worry, Macs are sponsored by Fisher Price and Kids R Us!

LOL! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif

'bout time I got involved, I suppose...

Hawkeye - you're going to have to visit the Sysopt Confessional once per week to cleanse your soul of that mac filth.

Microsoft's OS is/was a rip of of Apple's DR-DOS... so basically, you are using an OS RIGHT NOW! that was built on something APPLE made.

And your point is? I am driving a BMW now who's basic design (the automobile) was originally invented by Ford (mass marketed at least). Do I give a poo poo? Nope.

Besides, I thought Xerox was the actual creator of the GUI (correct me please).....well, they invented the mouse at least.......so basically, you are using a MOUSE RIGHT NOW! that was built on something XEROX made.

LOL http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

So they are good for heavy graphics use......whoopee!!!!!!! What else? To cruise the shops at AOL? LOL!

Warthog

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[Warthog]

Rock on, wyvrn.

[wyvrn]

wyvrn: I am sick of your biased bull...

I knew that was coming... Most people resort to flames when they don't have an intelligent reply http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif


Ok let me see...

First of all I love Mac's. I don't use them (too expensive) but I did support them for awhile. And there very functional designs are nothing short of artwork. Macs are more user friendly. But you are a fool if you spend 3 times the cost for a Mac just to do graphics work. The small lead MACs had on the graphics industry is slipping. Of course you will always have the MAC zealots (not unlike pc zealots or unix zealots) who argue to the end, emotionally and illogically, that their product is better. Frankly I do not understand it, it is just a machine.

You seem to have the attitude of the snobs of the PC world "too little too late".

Competitively I believe it is the end for MAC's. First, Microsoft has a large investment in MAC, so even if they prosper so does the pc industry. Have you been noticing all the Microsoft ports to the MAC lately? Office is already the office suite of choice. Macintosh should have come out with OS X 5 years ago when Microsoft was rapidly gaining market share. Then there might have been a serious alternative. Up until then, networking on a MAC sucked, period. Ever tried to map a printer with Appletalk? Tech support nightmare! How do you upgrade a MAC yourself? Well you realistically couldn't until recently.

And since the pc market has become so competitive as hardware prices have dropped, one can easily spec a machine that will not only surpass a MAC in graphics work, but also SEVERLY whip it in other benchmarks like games, office, etc...

Microsoft's OS is/was a rip of of Apple's DR-DOS... so basically, you are using an OS RIGHT NOW! that was built on something APPLE made.


And how is OS X any different? I seem to recall it being based on Unix, right? LOL! Hey the great companies in this day are the ones who take other ideas and make them better. Sure Microsoft took Apple's OS when they failed to patent it, but if Apple was such a great innovator, why couldn't they keep up with MS? Apple had to have Unix build them a reliable memory addressing scheme, they couldn't do it themselves!

Macs are THE thing to get if you are doing heavy graphics.

Period.

End of discussion.



No its not. Graphics artits are using pcs more and more because the gap has disappeared, and pc hardware prices are much lower than MACS. Apple is walking the line of extinction right now.

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[deltaf508]

OK, now I'm confuzed....Mac's are better than PC's (as some would say) AND there are two hawkeye's in here with basically the same name and same location.....and going to the same school....what gives http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

I guess I've just never noticed this before http://www.sysopt.com/forum/wink.gif

Gary

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[Hawkeye178]

We started using the macs yesterday and I wasn't to fond of them, I don't like the one mouse button feature because now i dunno how to cut and paste and when I hit Ctrl-C it close the program I was using, but i opened it back up, I'm not using any more of the the keyboard shortcuts no more. Everyone else in the lab was preoccupied with trying to find out ehy there was a light instead of a ball on the mouse, which cracked me up, nad the "computer expert"/teacher guy with a bad accent was telling everyone that the laight was a laser not an LED and not to look at it. I kept my mouth shut but Hawkeye177 told the teacher they weren't lasers, they were LED's and the teacher said he told me, he reffering to "computer expert", so 177 confronts him and tells him that they're LED's, not lasers HEHEHE http://www.sysopt.com/forum/biggrin.gif. Anyways, I still prefer PC's over Mac's http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif.

Thanks,
Hawkeye178

[cadetstimpy]

Mac - PC it doesn't matter. It's al stolen from Xerox! LONG LIVE XEROX!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif heh heh

[hirschY]

Well, now that someone else opened the Xerox bag....

We can thank them for Everything Computer today, except for System Admin work, thank Bill for that!!!!!

Xerox created ethernet (and didnt uphold the patent like IBM and token ring)
Xerox invented the mouse
Xerox invented the GUI
Xerox even invented the MAC OS!!!
Bill didnt get to steal that one, Steve (jobs) stole all the engineers from Xerox

If Xerox had HELD onto there patents, and SOLD these things, then my stock would be worth something today!!!!! http://www.sysopt.com/forum/smile.gif

(getting of soap box)
And no, I dont work FOR Xerox (just a large company that supports them, you guess who)