PS3 or Xbox2 ?

[Starik-Bob]

Ok, my friend says that ps3 will be much better than xbox2, and I tell him that it will not be better because the first xbox owned ps2. Anyone has any information on it. Send links and tell.

Thanks. :t

[AMD1014]

Well I have xbox and I think its better than a ps2 when it comes to the graphics.But with a game selection ps2 wins it.
If xbox2 can get better games(that many people will enjoy) then I think it will do better.If not,ps3 will be the winner yet again.

As for info I think gamespot has some but I gotta look around.

[RamonGTP]

xbox owned PS2??? You've been misinformed.

[Torlok2002]

and why are you basing next gen systems on the specs of current systems... just because the same company makes it means little... especially when the products are that far apart and with the rate that electronics advance......

[Starik-Bob]

Originally posted by RamonGTP
xbox owned PS2??? You've been misinformed.

I ment xbox owned ps2 in system specs, but if in games, then yeah, ps2 wins.

[RamonGTP]

Don't let those MHz numbers fool you. The only thing that xbox had that was superior to the PS2 was the GPU... The PS2 processor KILLS the souped up celeron in raw processing power.

[Bizkitkid2001]

Who cares, the xbox still looks better.

I liket he xbox better ebcasue of the controller and the games. I always felt like i was going to crush the ps2 controller with my big hands. Also, when I got the xbox I was mostly into racing and I liked the racing games on xbox better than the ones on ps2(Gotham racing, ralli sport challenge) Plus halo was an xbox exclusive and I really liked that game.

But now, i think all consoles suck and that the pc owns. I am going to sell my xbox as soon as I here that halo two is coming out on pc.:p

[Magua]

I find the Xbox and PS2's graphics very similar. PS2 easily wins with best games, even with racing games (Grand Turismo). The only really good game the xbox has (thats not cross platform) is Halo...which is now on the computer, which destroys its console counterpart.

[Bizkitkid2001]

I thought Gran Turismo sucked imo. And that seems to be the only popular racing game on the ps2 you here people talk about.

[maje87c]

the x-box is just a weak one purpose computer that is streamlined to handle it's one use very well. The poor man's gaming rig, if you will.

the ps2 is a more traditional console than the x-box, but it has a similar set-up to the x-box, except it is a computer/graphics combo that was designed from the beginning with only gaming in mind.

personally, I don't think any of the gaming 'consoles' have really been consoles ever since the dreamcast.

[iceblue]

I remember reading a long time ago when xbox was still new that it used a Pentium III 733.. did they just decide to toss in a Celeron because costs were too high? (Haven't been keeping up with console biz so..;))

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by Bizkitkid2001
I thought Gran Turismo sucked imo. And that seems to be the only popular racing game on the ps2 you here people talk about.

To each his own... I'm willing to bet that you're in the minority out of people who like racing games. As far as your reasons for likeing the xbox over the PS2, to each his own on that as well... The two reasons you stated (controller and games) are the exact reasons why I like the PS2 better. The PS2 controller IMO is WAAAAY better, as are the games. And the reason why everyone talks about GranTurismo is very simple... No other racing game even begins to compare, on ANY platform PCs included. And the xbox looks like an old fashoned rockford fosgate car amplifire. Nothing too special there.

[chaser_22]

Kinda too early to say, not having final info on how their specs are going to be.

I own a Xbox so I'd probably go for the Xbox2.

Just wish MS will come with something to compete with the eye toy, cause I really like that feature and is the only reason I would consider getting a PS2.

[JuNacy]

Originally posted by RamonGTP
To each his own... I'm willing to bet that you're in the minority out of people who like racing games. As far as your reasons for likeing the xbox over the PS2, to each his own on that as well... The two reasons you stated (controller and games) are the exact reasons why I like the PS2 better. The PS2 controller IMO is WAAAAY better, as are the games. And the reason why everyone talks about GranTurismo is very simple... No other racing game even begins to compare, on ANY platform PCs included. And the xbox looks like an old fashoned rockford fosgate car amplifire. Nothing too special there.

I agree. IMHO, no racing game can touch the GT series, but again this is IMHO....GT4 looks pretty sweet btw, can't wait to play it...:)

[Logan2002]

The x-box has a celeron in it??

[iceblue]

Originally posted by RamonGTP
Don't let those MHz numbers fool you. The only thing that xbox had that was superior to the PS2 was the GPU... The PS2 processor KILLS the souped up celeron in raw processing power.
According to RGTP, yes.

[jonwes]

It's got a PIII @ 733 Mhz, leaps and bounds ahead of the PS2. Just read any review at Gamespot.com or IGN.com and you'll ALWAYS hear that the Xbox version of a multi-platform game is the best graphically - best textures, framerate, etc. I've got a $5,000 Harman Kardon 7.1 surround system, which has a lot to do with why I chose the Xbox. PS2 doesn't have "in game" DD 5.1 output, only the Xbox does. I'm a relatively big guy - 6'0" and 200 lbs, and the PS2 controller never felt right for me. The Xbox controller is the best I've used. Another strong point of the Xbox is the 10 GB harddrive, which the majority of games out there utilize. Sure, the PS2 has an addon drive (which came as a subsequent afterthought), but you're talking about an additional outlay of cash and more importantly, very few developers are going to utilize it because they have no certainty as to how many people actually have it. EVERY Xbox developer knows that they can cache to it, because every Xbox has one. Xbox is top dog with regard to online capabilities as well. The built in ethernet port says it all AND only allows for high speed connections, which reduces lag times. I can go on, but hopefully this is enough. If PS3 and its supposed "1,000 times faster" CPU/GPU is better than the Xbox2, I'll go for it, but I'm not buying anything until it's been out for several months. . .

[RamonGTP]

Best textures yes, because as I said, the GPU is more powerfull than that of the PS2... The processor is infact INFERIOR BY FAR to the PS2 processor... I've said in a previous thread, the PS2 uses a 128-bit 300MHz processor with TWO vector processing units (which unfortunatly at times don't even get used because a lot of developers are lazy, but the good once use them, and use them well and it certainly shows in the gaems)... This KILLS the 32-bit 733 Celeron/PIII processor in the xbox, period... It can render a lot more poly's than the xbox can, the xbox just renders them a little prettier, because of the GPU as I mentioned before.

The processor in the xbox is neither a Pentium or Celeron, i've said this in previous threads as well... The xbox uses a processor with half the cache of a true P3 (which is what the celeron has) but it still maintains an SSE instruction set (which the celeron does not have)

If the PS2 had a GPU as powerfull as the XBOX, you'd have the ultimate console, likewise, if the xbox has a CPU as powerfull as the PS2, you'd again have the ultimate console.

[Torlok2002]

so why are you guys arguing again?

[Logan2002]

It is fun i guess.

I would go with x-box as a gaming console.

[jonwes]

I will quote: "With a 733-megahertz processor, 64 megabytes of memory, a 250-megahertz graphics processor and 256 audio channels, the Xbox is the most powerful home game machine ever created." I don't even know where to begin in trying to rationalize your logic in the above post??? You claim that the only reason the textures are better are due to the higher performance of the Nvidia GPU in the Xbox, but anyone knows that it's a combination of the GPU and CPU that dictate frame rates and overall quality. Second, you're on dope for claiming that the PS2 can produce more polygons per second than the box. The PS2 tops out at a MAXIMUM of 75 million/sec, while the box puts out a consistent 125 million/sec, regardless of the size of the polygon (for large polygons, the PS2 can drop to as little as 25 mil/sec). Again, polygon output is a combination of GPU AND CPU power. Let's not even get into the advanced vertex shaders in the xbox, which the PS2 can only compete by utilizing its Emotion Engine coprocessors. Another keypoint is memory bandwidth, which plays into processing power, and the Xbox is double that of the Sony with 6.4 GB/sec compared to 3.2. Sound? Xbox has 64 channels, while the PS2 has 48 AND no in-game DD 5.1, only during cut scenes. The bottom line is that, again, any professional reviewer out there that benchmarks frame rates will report that any game that exists on both platforms looks and plays better on the Xbox. The ONLY exception would be weird Japanese titles like Metal Gear Solid that were developed initially for the PS2 and were then ported over in with lack of efficiency. I hate that game anyway, so who cares. I give credit to PS2 for wide variety of titles and excellent support in the marketplace, but it's all about quantity vs. quality, which is why I opted for the Xbox.

[RamonGTP]

Just cuz something is in print on the internet, doesn't make it gospel... There are tons of people who think higher MHz = more powerfull machine... I know the "official" spec for xbox is 125 mil poly/sec... I've read in a few places that the REAL ploly count is actually somewhere between 20-32 million poly/sec. The EE's co-processors is part of its design, who cares if you need to use them for added effects? Thats where the power of the system comes into play, with the use of the 2 VPU's.

As far as sound, sure, xbox wins there. I just don't feel its a more powerfull system. I will admit that xbox has more games that look better than PS2, simply because of the simplicity of the system. But when you pop in a PS2 game that was specifically written for the PS2 from the ground up by a developer who knows how to take advantage of the system, it looks every bit as good as the xbox, dare I say even a little better. Granted, the dev's that are able, or willing to take the time and effort to get that out of the PS2 aren't as many as i'd like, but if you look at games like GT4, IMO it looks every bit as good as the best that xbox has to offer. Blows away the PGR series I think.

We could argue back and forth and throw numbers and theories at each other for days on end and not convince each other. There are a lot of articles, arguments, and bloated system specs given out by BOTH manufacturers. Based on everything i've read, it is my belief that the CPU in the PS2 is more powerfull than that of the xbox, WHEN USED PROPERLY... What I mean by that is when the VPU's are addressed IN ADDITOIN to the EE. In the end, you've got your xbox, i've got my PS2... We're both happy :D :t

[ComPooTer]

well........nowadays every game is really bad with the exception of some games, im a fan of the the playstation and i have to say that PS2 has a lot of fun games, and if xbox didnt come out with halo then it would be a dead system by now. but yeah

id take a 128 bit 300 mhz processor
over a 32 bit 733 celeron lol

hmm.......well all i do is play final fantasy online anyways which is on PC so yeah dont mind me :)

[FrnchDp]

I could care less about both of these consoles as I would much rather invest any large sum of $$ into my PC so that I may play any game I want and I can do 50 million other things!!


And jonwes.. $5k for a sound system huh.. Thanks mom and dad! ;)




:t

[Logan2002]

Yeah 5 grand wow.

Until they make consoles upgradeable then I will be really interested.

If they do that console gaming would really change.

Which system has more multiplayer games?

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by Logan2002
Yeah 5 grand wow.

Until they make consoles upgradeable then I will be really interested.

If they do that console gaming would really change.

Which system has more multiplayer games?

If they do that, it would be a computer and defeat the purpose of one of the advantages, which is it will ALWAYS work for ANY game... No minimum system requirments or anything which is why many people do buy them, so they don't have to worry about spending more and more money every 3 - 6 months so that the latest game will run its best.

[Radi0h3ad]

If the PS3 performs as the PS2 did I'd have to opt for X-Box, even though I wouldn't be too confident in that, either. The PS2 dissapointed me at launch, it seemed to go for quantity, not quality, and it left me with a severe lack of really good games.

[MadPistol]

I know this isn't even in the argument, but the Gamecube seems to smash all of them in performance capabilities. It uses a chipset that was designed by ATI, and as far as I can throw it, the games are pretty good (that is the ones that aren't gay as hell).

In case anyone hasn't noticed yet, I have seen more games out for gamecube that have been optimized to run at a constant 60fps than any console EVER! The Xbox and PS2 are good and all, but you can't get into the games like you can for the Gamecube because bot consoles have a ton of pretty games that would be slightly better than the Gamecube, but at the same time, The frame rates are CRAPPY!!! Halo is good, but give me a break. 30 FPS? That's the main rate for the N64. 30 FPS is very outdated, and our hardware today supports 60 fps without breaking a sweat. So why is it that I have 10 games for gamecube that run 60 fps and only 3 for xbox and 4 for PS2 that run 60 fps? Because the systems have bottlenecks in them that can't be fixed now.

I'm not going to go into all the "system specs" and ****, but the simple truth is that game developers favor the gamecube over all systems simply because it is an easier platform to develop on.

For those of you who have never played a Gamecube, you should try it. It isn't crappy at all. In fact, it is one of the most stable systems I have ever played games on. The PS2 wins for better games, but the Gamecube has some good games out right now that run twice as good as it's PS2 counterpart. Now that they have figured out what the potential of the gamecube is, developers are creating many more games for it. The selection is growing and is already past the xbox.

order of preference

1. Gamecube
2. PS2
3. Xbox

Enough said.

[RamonGTP]

I have played GameCube, and own one too... I agree, it is not a crappy system at all, and I love mine. From what i've heard, Nintendo is much more picky about the games they allow to be released on their console than Sony or Microsoft. Wether this is ture or not, I don't know for sure, but I definatly wouldn't doubt it when you look at the library of games for gamecube which is only a fraction of the PS2 and xbox. If this is true, that could very well be the reason why its harder to find a "bad" game for gamecube than it is for the other two consoles.

[One_Inch_MAN]

knowing microsoft the xbox 2 will be very pricey

[L8NightHype]

...Cube? Yeah, that's cool if you are into Super Plummer Boys running around doing...whatever it is they do...what a rush.

:rolleyes:

I am sure it looks amazing. (Yawn)

PS2 has the most games. XBox comes in second.

The PS3 will rock and unless X gets more developers...well, enough said. More bang for the buck...then again, that is only concerning a game console. I'd rather drop the money into my PC.

PS -Since when is 'stability' a major purchasing concern for a console? How many times has a game box crashed? My kid has a PS2, it has never crashed...

)-|

[One_Inch_MAN]

what kind of processor will the ps3 have

[LloydChristmas]

First of all the eyetoy is SO stupid, wow I can see myself in games, OMG )-| ! PS2 kills Xbox and PS2 will propably kill Xbox 2 also, IMO.

[seanieboy77]

PS2 kills Xbox and PS2 will propably kill Xbox 2 also, IMO.
I agree with you although I think you mean PS3 will kill Xbox 2. And if you are talking like that you better have some skill to back it up.

I do:D

Besides I don't think that Xbox is really all that great anyway. I mean you don't need a memory card unless you go to another persons house but then they don't have many games. Their platanium hits aren't good either. The greatest hits with PS2 right now are great. There are at least over 40 greatest hits. Thats 40 games for 20 bucks each. You can't go wrong. Remember this is IMO.:t

Later

[ComPooTer]

lol eyetoy, u could do that with a PC easily. just program some game that needs a camera and make it look at yourself and kill flies n stuff. i dont care tho........i waste away my life playing final fantasy online. FFXI RULEs :D

[germanNiklas]

i had a ps2, now i have a gamecube
like the cube much more but ps2 isnt bad
when metal gear solid 3 comes out ill buy a ps2 again :D
hope it isnt so expensive then anymore

[Canlast4ever]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by germanNiklas

Well I help design games as for which is better that depends on what you look for in a game> Graphics well the xbox would win but game selection I would have to say the PS2 by far, I have alot of game systems from Odessey made in the 70's to Atari, Coleco Vision....etc I have watched the games increase I have PS2 and xbox and have some exact games on each like Ghost Recon...which I love.. it all depends on what games you like I love all games,.. the harder it is the better but I don't believe in cheat codes... never used them and won't PC,Xbox nothing.. well have fun gaming as for the PS3 and Xbox2 I will wait until they come out you never know they will both have a weakness

Jimmy

[SLX]

I dont play many games on either machine but, I tend to judge the gaming consoles based on fun factor. I like the xbox because you can plug in 4 controlers and play multiplayer Halo and call your roomies "faggets" with out hurting their feelings.

Plus Halo2 is comming out and I get to do more "Bashing" Maybe the loser can do the dishes?

[dumbanddumber54]

Yeah. Oh that would be awesome to have 4 player mode with PS3. That would definatly boost sales! With 4 player mode Xbox would get blown out of the water!

[One_Inch_MAN]

i heard that the ps3 will have a 2.5 ghz processor

[maje87c]

is this argument still going on?

PC= everything and more than consoles have going for them. Does not always work.

XBOX= Best graphics and sound, second best console processor, less games than the PS2. Backed by an American software giant.

PS2= Most games, more polygons, not as pretty as X-box. Backed by a Japanese corporate giant.

GC= Not the best of anything, although does have some fun games. Many older gamers believe themselves above it. Backed by a Japanese Gaming company(former giant).

Dreamcast= came a long time before the current competitors but can be considered of the same generation. First console with built in modem. Backed by what once was a large company.


Now, I have listed these in order of capability and functionality, not quality, or opinion, simply which has the overall best hardware setup. You'll notice the two older competitors(Sega and Nintendo) have fallen behind or died out altogether. The age of consoles is fading. You'll notice that the most powerful(overall raw score here) utilizes a celeron iii intel hybrid proc. and an nvidia graphics chipset. It would seem that the closer a console is to being a pc, the more powerful it is.

I have a PC and a Dreamcast.

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by One_Inch_MAN
i heard that the ps3 will have a 2.5 ghz processor

I also heard that the PS2 was going to be powerfull enough to render the movie "Final Fantasy" in real time, but we all know that was all hype. Don't believe anything you hear about specs until you get the information from the original source. In this case, SONY, whom haven't released the slightest bit of information other than there will indeed be a PS3.

[dumbanddumber54]

Yeah Sony hasn't been big on press or public stuff for PS3. Hopefully it's just under raps.

[Canlast4ever]

Originally posted by RamonGTP
I also heard that the PS2 was going to be powerfull enough to render the movie "Final Fantasy" in real time, but we all know that was all hype. Don't believe anything you hear about specs until you get the information from the original source. In this case, SONY, whom haven't released the slightest bit of information other than there will indeed be a PS3.

Ramon I agree 100% there will be all kinds of rumors, I just wait would be nice to have something that nice but us gamers all wish. what is really weird I tried playing Pitfall on my Atari, if you remember that game I had a hard time with the first board I died laughing.

[dumbanddumber54]

Hey this site has some pretty interesting pics on PS3. http://home.btconnect.com/hgi/ps3

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

Alright, this **** is ridiculous, xbox is better for gaming, you may call it a cheap computer, but at least it came with a hard drive. PS2 just copied the Xbox by adding one to thiers. what matters the most on games? huh? yeah, I thought so, you can have all the processing power you want, but if you have a piece of **** graphics card, then whats the point of playing, plus, whoever said that the PS2 graphics are close to the XBOX's needs to get thier eyes checked, as for the ones who think that the XBOX was overrated, well, deal with it, what did everyone expect from the first console made by microsoft? for a first, even if you believe that the PS2 is better, the XBOX still gave the PS2 a huge run for its money, XBOX 2 will rule gaming consoles, simply because the limits of Microsoft are endless. The XBOX, while still a good console, was just a taste, just an experiment of what they would/could do.

Ps, I have all three consoles anyways, and bought all of them as soon as they came out.

Of course, we can all agree, the nothing sucks as bad the GAME CUBE. Piece of ****, Nintendo needs to retire.

BTW, you're right about the dreamcast, it messed everything up for everyone, and it was a total failure, I stuck to my PS, cause I knew it would suck.

sorry, had to edit my expletives, now it sounds queer itself

[RamonGTP]

If its ridiculous you should have just stayed out of it, cuz now i've got to respond to your post too ;) Funny that you took the time to register just to respond to a ridiculous thread. :P

Go look at the latest sales figures for PS2 and XBOX, and see how much of a run xbox gave PS2... Not much. The xbox only did well in the US, and even then not as good as PS2... It was no competition at all overseas.

As far as XBOX2 ruleing all consoles, thats what you xbox fanboys said about the original, and we all know that didn't happen.

Microsoft entering the console market and expecting to take over the king of the hill "sony" is wishfull thinking on your part and Microsoft's... Thats like SONY deciding they're going to write their own operating system and dethrone windows. Its just not going to happen.

Oh, and welcome to sysopt! :t

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

well considering i couldn't give a rats *** about anyone on the face of the planet except america. and considering I wasn't referring to sales you idiot, then my post still stands. And BTW Microsoft will easily outdo Sony, I mean comeon, it was just a matter of time,

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

also, considering that Microsoft is already catching up to Sony, what do you think will happen? You think that Sony gives a rat's *** that thier "loyal" fans will mind them selling out to Microsoft? No, it'll happen, King of the Hill? well no, Sony is far from it. Sony can do whatever they want, but Microsoft has the ability to outdo anyone. Sony is like apples creator, they'll always be here, but they are no match for Microsoft.

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

hey for all the halo junkies, did you hear that the showing for xbox2's hardware is supposed to be showed during the Game Developer's Confrence?

[RamonGTP]

I'm an idiot? lol. Bottom line is that sales is what matters. Thats why companies like MS and Sony get into the market, to SELL. I'd like you to explain how MS will outdo sony, maybe you don't know, but MS is NOT a bigger company than Sony, MS is NOT more powerfull than Sony. Go to www.fortune.com and look at the Global500 index for 2003... Sony is #32 while MS isn't even in the top 100, they're all the way at #137

It also doesn't really matter if YOU don't care about the rest of the world. Sony and MS marketing tactics doen't revolve around what YOU care about. The european/japanese console market is HUGE and if MS has ANY hopes whatsoever of even matching Sony, let alone beating them, they cannot do it without the overseas market and as of right now, their overseas market is a joke compared to Sony.

BTW, there is an "edit" button so you can add or make changes to your post, you don't have to create a new one each time.

[dumbanddumber54]

whoa there you guys. (sheesh :rolleyes: )

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

yeah, sorry for calling you an idiot, your argument pissed me off, made too much sense. :)Did you know the ps3 or whatever is supposed to be like 1000 times faster than a p4?

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

I wish they would post more specs and stuff about the xbox2. Did you know that Microsoft now owns the Silicon Graphics patent, which means that they will recieve money from chip manufacturers like AMD and nVidia? Awesome. Plus Microsoft is probably going to make their own chips for the XBOX 2, kinda scary, but hey, who knows, maybe its for the best.

http://www.xbreporter.com/xbox_2_news.php

looks like Both Intel and nVidia are being kicked out of the XBOX club.

[One_Inch_MAN]

Originally posted by Zuka 'Zamamee
yeah, sorry for calling you an idiot, your argument pissed me off, made too much sense. :)Did you know the ps3 or whatever is supposed to be like 1000 times faster than a p4?
:p

[Canlast4ever]

I heard a rumor that Microsoft is going to control all of the new XBOX for the simple fact that it can control their prices...meaning like they got PS2 and XBOX proces dropped down $100.. not sure if it is true

[fishybawb]

Originally posted by Zuka 'Zamamee
Did you know the ps3 or whatever is supposed to be like 1000 times faster than a p4?

1000 times more powerful than a 286, perhaps :D

[dumbanddumber54]

Yeah I dunno about 1000 times faster, that kinda farfetched.

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

I don't personally believe it, but that's what I heard.

[One_Inch_MAN]

everybody at sys opt has always been pretty nice sometimes some of mods can be a little mean but Zuka 'Zamamee people like you dont need to be at sys opt.

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

sorry dude, but I don't care if you don't like me. I apologized, so I don't know what your problem is. Plus considering you've been here less than a month, well I don't know how you know anything more than me about SysOpt, quit acting like you know soooooo much about SysOpt, or their moderators, you have 4 more posts than me, whoooo hoooo, don't pretend to speak for SysOpt.

P.S. I don't have a problem with you, you just didn't make a lot of sense.

[One_Inch_MAN]

actually i should have about 60 to 70 posts but they were taken away from me. all i am say is i never seen anyone put anybody down or anything until you came:mad:

[dumbanddumber54]

Ok both of you are junior members (I'm not much more experianced only being here since Nov.) and One_Inch_Man that really isn't a good sign that your posts are being deleted but lets just put down our differences and get along. :)

[RamonGTP]

Post counts don't mean anything... I won't mention any names, but there have been members with an ungodly amount of posts that gave some of the worst and most inaccurate information possible, and did it quite often as well. So I agree with the above, just drop the matter. No need for it to go any further.

[seanieboy77]

But maybe One_Inch_Man does know a lot about Sysopt (maybe not about the Moderators) but his post aren't getting deleted becuase once you reply to a thread you only get one post count. Unless you actual post are getting deleted beacuse I think your talking about your post count.

Because you can reply to a thread a million times and you would only get one post count!

So I agree the subject is closed. :t

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

hey, i meant that he joined less than a month ago, so he can't know anything more than anyone else. Thats all I have to say, and now I will stop. I didn't mean to sound rude if I do.

[Zuka 'Zamamee]

Thats not true, you can reply more than once, and It count more than once, This is the only thread I have replied to, and I get one each time.

[G0m3r]

Originally posted by maje87c
the x-box is just a weak one purpose computer that is streamlined to handle it's one use very well. The poor man's gaming rig, if you will.

the ps2 is a more traditional console than the x-box, but it has a similar set-up to the x-box, except it is a computer/graphics combo that was designed from the beginning with only gaming in mind.

personally, I don't think any of the gaming 'consoles' have really been consoles ever since the dreamcast.

You have any idea what a console is? It's a stripped down specialized PC. PS2, XBOX, GameCube, you name it. The XBOX is the better console wen you compare the technology inside. They all have CPU's, soon GPU's for all, and hard drives to store your stuff. Don't hate homie. The only thing PS2 has over XBOX is the game library. Tho that will change in time. BTW I hate consoles. The games on them are too simplistic. A PC will always be a better game rig than a simple console. A PC will always be state of the art. Would be nice if they made consoles modular so that you can upgrade the things instead of having to buy a new one every couple years. Marinate on this young grasshopper.... :D

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by G0m3r
You have any idea what a console is? It's a stripped down specialized PC. PS2, XBOX, GameCube, you name it. The XBOX is the better console wen you compare the technology inside. They all have CPU's, soon GPU's for all, and hard drives to store your stuff. Don't hate homie. The only thing PS2 has over XBOX is the game library. Tho that will change in time. BTW I hate consoles. The games on them are too simplistic. A PC will always be a better game rig than a simple console. A PC will always be state of the art. Would be nice if they made consoles modular so that you can upgrade the things instead of having to buy a new one every couple years. Marinate on this young grasshopper.... :D

I disagree with just about everything you said for reasons i've already stated... But i'll leave you with this quesion, since when is a 32bit processor based on an architecture several years old more technologically advanced than 128bit processor with a much newer archatecture?

[comp_nut]

Originally posted by Canlast4ever
I heard a rumor that Microsoft is going to control all of the new XBOX for the simple fact that it can control their prices...meaning like they got PS2 and XBOX proces dropped down $100.. not sure if it is true


yup sometime around Labour Day 99$US;)

[G0m3r]

Originally posted by RamonGTP
I disagree with just about everything you said for reasons i've already stated... But i'll leave you with this quesion, since when is a 32bit processor based on an architecture several years old more technologically advanced than 128bit processor with a much newer archatecture?

What has that to do with the FACT that they are all computers? GPU are over 128 bit. THE GPU is what makes the kick *** graphics possible. Frees up the CPU to do other things. The GPU handles the rendering which is the biggers processor intencive job. You are crazy if you think a console like the PS2 can keep up with a PC. The XBOX can't compare either. And accept facts. Games on the PC are usually MUCH better than their console versions. UT2k3 is a prime example. That game rocks on my PC with a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256. The very same card I use to make my High Res 3D models and animations. I'm a 3D artist and and a computer tech. The same game on the consoles look like ****. The levels are simpler. The textures are muddy and low res. The character models are also lower res. You don't have the same level of detail and/or control. PC's will always have it better simply because they can keep up with growing tech AND they have more resourses (RAM, VRAM, and HD space) available to them. The technology you buy today is old less than a year later. :D Game developers don't make as much on PC games simply because pirating games is really easy. Less return.

[One_Inch_MAN]

all i know is that its going to be expensive as hell and a pc would be a better deal

[RamonGTP]

Originally posted by G0m3r
What has that to do with the FACT that they are all computers? GPU are over 128 bit. THE GPU is what makes the kick *** graphics possible. Frees up the CPU to do other things. The GPU handles the rendering which is the biggers processor intencive job. You are crazy if you think a console like the PS2 can keep up with a PC. The XBOX can't compare either. And accept facts. Games on the PC are usually MUCH better than their console versions. UT2k3 is a prime example. That game rocks on my PC with a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256. The very same card I use to make my High Res 3D models and animations. I'm a 3D artist and and a computer tech. The same game on the consoles look like ****. The levels are simpler. The textures are muddy and low res. The character models are also lower res. You don't have the same level of detail and/or control. PC's will always have it better simply because they can keep up with growing tech AND they have more resourses (RAM, VRAM, and HD space) available to them. The technology you buy today is old less than a year later. :D Game developers don't make as much on PC games simply because pirating games is really easy. Less return.

I was actually refferring to PS2 vs XBOX... Not the PC

[cloudsquall]

NO MATTER WHAT THE PS2 WILL ALWAYS BE THE KING!!!!!!
I'm not trying to start a fight, but XBOX is a heartless rig! no games, no spirit, game developers that only want to get there paycheck and leave! EVERYONE WHO OWNS AN XBOX ARE FAN BOYS AND WAnT TO GROW UP AND BECOME BILL GATES!! THE OWNERS OF XBOX FALL BACK REASON FOR THE SUPERIOR SYSTEM IS THAT IT HAS BETTER GRAPHICS!!!!! WHAT???? WHATT!???? GET SOBERED UP AND SEE HOW THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!! AS FAR AS THE NEW SYSTEMS GO< NOONE CAN MAKE AN ASSUMPTION OF WHAT THE SUPERIOR SYSTEM IS GOInG TO BE.. don't take what I said personally, it's just fact is all!

nobody has heard anything about the new NIntendo DS or Enhanced? Tell me if you have.

[dumbanddumber54]

I have heard nothing of Nintendo DS, but I think I speak for us all when I say please calm down.

[cloudsquall]

I'm really sory, I was angry at the time, anyway.

THe Nintendo DS is a handheld system that has two screens Thus the name DS (dual screen). It shows your games in two perspectives. This is real becuase I read it somewhere that nintendo was actually interviewd and they talked openly about it.
If you want more info go to GOOGLE and type in NINTENDO DS.

P.S. Really sorry for going outta whack like that, it's not usually me>

[Slayer1]

Omg omg omg. Dont forget the x-boxs full screen anit-aliassing and the fact that there are a whole 10 people irl whos Crapstation didnt flat out stop working on them and have to be sent back to the manufacturer.

Come to think of it the first crapstation had pretty shoddy workmanship. Sony just puts out tons of mass produced **** and retards blindly accept it, thank them, and ask for more.

Omg omg omg they have 6 gazzilion games and not one of them is worth a ****. Lame Torizmo or wtvr it is? omg omg omg i can drive on craptacualar Crapstation!!!!(pwnage) Woot! and other such expresions. Lame Stealer of Cars? omg omg omg the gameplay sux so bad but I dont care cause my avatar is naughty and i can barely see the crappy graphix anyways(80's muzak is soooo freaking ubah) Medal Lamer Solid?? omg omg omg I can read a video game!!!!11! Always Another Lame FInal Phantasy??? omg omg omg I remember when this game was acshally kewl and worth the time it took to play. it suxorz so bad but I dont care cause there are another 6 gazillion mini-games to distract me from how very little this game has to offer me=( just like EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN AND AROUND THE CRAPSTATION ITSELF including the mindless retahds who buy them.

[G0m3r]

Originally posted by Slayer1
Omg omg omg. Dont forget the x-boxs full screen anit-aliassing and the fact that there are a whole 10 people irl whos Crapstation didnt flat out stop working on them and have to be sent back to the manufacturer.

Come to think of it the first crapstation had pretty shoddy workmanship. Sony just puts out tons of mass produced **** and retards blindly accept it, thank them, and ask for more.

Omg omg omg they have 6 gazzilion games and not one of them is worth a ****. Lame Torizmo or wtvr it is? omg omg omg i can drive on craptacualar Crapstation!!!!(pwnage) Woot! and other such expresions. Lame Stealer of Cars? omg omg omg the gameplay sux so bad but I dont care cause my avatar is naughty and i can barely see the crappy graphix anyways(80's muzak is soooo freaking ubah) Medal Lamer Solid?? omg omg omg I can read a video game!!!!11! Always Another Lame FInal Phantasy??? omg omg omg I remember when this game was acshally kewl and worth the time it took to play. it suxorz so bad but I dont care cause there are another 6 gazillion mini-games to distract me from how very little this game has to offer me=( just like EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN AND AROUND THE CRAPSTATION ITSELF including the mindless retahds who buy them.

You were reading my mind. I remember my PS1. I bought Final Fantasy VII. Man I found myself only playing to watch the incredible (at the time) cut scenes. The game play wasn't all that great. It still isn't. All the good stuff is in the cinematics. I've noticed the people that like to parise the PSX and put down it's competitiors are alot like the people that like Apple computers and hate PC's. No real logic behind it.

[cloudsquall]

Originally posted by Slayer1
Omg omg omg. Dont forget the x-boxs full screen anit-aliassing and the fact that there are a whole 10 people irl whos Crapstation didnt flat out stop working on them and have to be sent back to the manufacturer.

Come to think of it the first crapstation had pretty shoddy workmanship. Sony just puts out tons of mass produced **** and retards blindly accept it, thank them, and ask for more.

Omg omg omg they have 6 gazzilion games and not one of them is worth a ****. Lame Torizmo or wtvr it is? omg omg omg i can drive on craptacualar Crapstation!!!!(pwnage) Woot! and other such expresions. Lame Stealer of Cars? omg omg omg the gameplay sux so bad but I dont care cause my avatar is naughty and i can barely see the crappy graphix anyways(80's muzak is soooo freaking ubah) Medal Lamer Solid?? omg omg omg I can read a video game!!!!11! Always Another Lame FInal Phantasy??? omg omg omg I remember when this game was acshally kewl and worth the time it took to play. it suxorz so bad but I dont care cause there are another 6 gazillion mini-games to distract me from how very little this game has to offer me=( just like EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN AND AROUND THE CRAPSTATION ITSELF including the mindless retahds who buy them.



WHY DON't you calm down there buddy, or should I say fanboy! I never had a problem with the xbox but I was just getting a personal problem off my chest! I already apologize to everyone, sooooo u know calm down, take a deeep breathe, ready? inhale, exhale. Oh yeah and making fun of retards ain't cool either, so why don't you stop trying to prove your self to everyone and be at peace with the systems, It all comes down to the fun were having with are systems. I personally don't wanna spend $200 on a PC I have already and the same goes for you about the PS2 so let's just be nice now eh?

[BipolarBill]

The trouble with the gaming forum is that it's full of kids.

Everyone calm down and state your cases. If you can't have a coherent debate, then STFU.

[KraZy_SkitZy]

I jus wanna share my opinion, Graphics aren't everything, that's all that seems to matter these days, I'd sooner have good gameplay and story over a pretty looking game, i can still bring myself to play old games which graphics are considered horendous by todays standards. I personally think that's what makes Sonystand strong is they have a gamre for everyone, don't get me wrong Xbox has some great games as well, but those of us who appreciate a game for what it is and not how it looks will go with Sony for now, smae goes for the Gamecube

Jus my opinion :t

[One_Inch_MAN]

i think ps3 playstation has always had the best games in my opinion.

[cloudsquall]

Originally posted by KraZy_SkitZy
I jus wanna share my opinion, Graphics aren't everything, that's all that seems to matter these days, I'd sooner have good gameplay and story over a pretty looking game, i can still bring myself to play old games which graphics are considered horendous by todays standards. I personally think that's what makes Sonystand strong is they have a gamre for everyone, don't get me wrong Xbox has some great games as well, but those of us who appreciate a game for what it is and not how it looks will go with Sony for now, smae goes for the Gamecube

Jus my opinion :t

I couldn't agree with you more! I think more and more develpers are becoming lazy when it comes to gameplay, but using the new GEN technology to easily render good graphics into a game. That is kind of doing it half-a$$ed when you rely on graphics to make a game good.

[rmanet]

Man, this thread is a mess (been out of town) - this thread is full of inappropriate posts and unnecessary language - you guys in this forum have to learn to discuss topics with no definitive answers cordially.

You're all lucky BpB didn't close the thread earlier - spirited debate is great but bad language and inappropriate posts are another - no need for using dollar signs to avoid slurs, either - a "spirited" debate can be done without going down that path.

so - call me an a$$hole - but this thread is closed :D

[Sterling_Aug]

Who remembers how good the Commodore 64 was for it's time?

Who cares which box is better than what box.

You get what you pay for and after you pays your money, you sticks with what you got!