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Bovon

11-26-2003, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by mireland
I don't think anyones sexual orientation is ANYONE'S FREAKIN' BUSINESS but their own!:mad: Until some gay dood comes outta the closet and starts in on the straights because they don't want him or her in their group. I can take `em or leave `em..been around many in my years...most have been really nice guys that "minded their own business"..but as with most things, there will be a few that try to cram their beliefs and lifestyles down others throats..thats when it gets nasty. I have seen nasty...it ain't pretty.

chubtub

11-26-2003, 01:49 PM

"live and let live" Nobodys going to force their lifestyle on you

Totally agree.

Bigjakkstaffa

11-26-2003, 02:20 PM

....methink's we'll have to be keeping an eye on this one, if not closing it shortly

--Jakk:t

Bovon

11-26-2003, 02:27 PM

Originally posted by chubtub
"live and let live" Nobodys going to force their lifestyle on you

Totally agree. I hope no-one gets bent out of shape here, due to my inputs... In 71 years I have seen more of this than most of you have. I have dealt (or tried to deal) with this from every angle possible and 'lawfully' available to me. Most times I won..some I lost... I think if I were a young man again, and starting over..knowing then what I know now.. I would just shoot the SOB that hit on me the first time.

Chubtub..have you visited "the real world" recently?

Bovon

11-26-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
....methink's we'll have to be keeping an eye on this one, if not closing it shortly

--Jakk:t Yeah.. probably a good idea..

bushmaster

11-26-2003, 02:41 PM

Me thinks it's all about your security in your own sexual preferences.
I'm straight, and I've been hit on by both homosexual and bi-sexual men. Most of the time a simple look explains it all. Other times I simply just explain I prefer the touch of a woman. If somebody pushes it and says "how do you know till you try ?" I just remark " I'll guess I will just continue to live not knowing".

But maybe closing the thread prior to a bout of extreme Homophobia rears it's ugly head wouldn't be an unwise thing.

bob05

11-26-2003, 02:41 PM

I am against homosexuality. I really don't like to associate myself with them. However as long as I don't know or see it, I guess it doesn't affect me.

Steve R Jones

11-26-2003, 03:09 PM

I predict this thread will die a very untimely death UNLESS people can be mature about it.

Bovon

11-26-2003, 03:34 PM

Yeah, you are correct Steve.. I did let the ole blood boil over a bit..sorry!... I knew better than reply to this thread..there have been too many bad vibes in my past concerning this..

I'll leave this thread be now.. I have made my feelings known.

Billforce

11-26-2003, 03:56 PM

In a word NO....but that isn't to say I can't accept them as individuals. I have a gay son and a brother in law that are good people. As long as they don't try to push their lifestyle onto others via, schools, Boy Scouts etc., then it's their businss. As far as NORMAL behavior, "no way Jose'".....when they are able to procreate, then they may convince me, otherwise it simply a perversion that they choose.

Cyan

11-26-2003, 04:38 PM

Agree with live and let live. I've had some guys hit on me, and it doesn't bother me a bit, and I don't see why it should... hell - we do it to women ALL the TIME. (now how does it feel huh??? huh?)
:t

Anyway, It's not a social problem unless everyone goes in 'that direction' (then the problem is obvious).

'Separation from church and state' should tell us simply that any couple (gay or straight) should have all the same rights. (as far as the law, I can't tell a religion what to do)

Anyway, live like a buddah, open mind `n all.

and peace out yo :t :cool:

chubtub

11-26-2003, 04:58 PM

Chubtub..have you visited "the real world" recently?

<Sarcasm ON (please take with humor)>
Well. When I was in grade school the teacher told me that when we hit high school that would be the real world.
When I hit high school the teacher told me that I was not in the real world and that would happen in college. When I hit college I was informed by my father that I was still not in the real world. So I made it out of college. Now no one is here to tell me if I made it and if you ask my wife she would say that I have not made it.
<Sarcasm Off>

I would think that being locked in a halfway house with 32 level 3 sex offenders on the night shift alone would qualify me for the real world.

During that time I tried to kill one of them which had I completed the last stomp on his neck would have saved two young girls later on (cops came in too soon due to the tip belt alarm).

Having a 130 pound railing swung at me was not fun either. They sent one old cop to help me with a 320 pound murderer/sex offender. Considering I am a whole 145 I think I would have survived that one in a wheel chair had I not dodged.(PS Industrial Mace sometimes just makes things worse)

Then there are the normal get attacked on a weekly bases thing. I was never on the losing side (due to luck and a large dog). But if I lost in that house I would have just gotten more that beaten up and would have been better off dead.

So I was in the real world for about two years. Then I discovered that computers paid better than the real world and left. Then I married a Korean girl and have been in it since.;)

j.m@talk

11-26-2003, 05:49 PM

Gays are OK .............But I couldn't eat a full one :r :r :r :r :r

bob05

11-26-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
Gays are OK .............But I couldn't eat a full one :r :r :r :r

:confused:

mireland

11-26-2003, 06:21 PM

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
Gays are OK .............But I couldn't eat a full one :r :r :r

errr???:confused: wtf?

j.m@talk

11-26-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by mireland
errr???:confused: wtf?

along with children
trees
etc etc

Humour :p

mireland

11-26-2003, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
along with children
trees
etc etc

Humour :p

well, it could've been misconstrued as something else (like YOU were gay or something..:eek: )

Ahhh British humour...No no that's humor..I spell like an American damnit! LOL

zybch

11-26-2003, 07:29 PM

Does it matter is someone is gay, straight or bi?
If they treat others with respect and courtesy then how can one be justified is saying that they should all go to hell etc...

Its estimated that somewhere in the region of 8%-10% of the population is gay/bi (about 1/2 of these are in str8 relationships). Thats a huge proportion of the world that according to many should not be alowed the same rights.

Being gay is certanly not something one makes a conscious descision about. Its generally accpeted (unless you are a rabid christian who can't accept that God made everyone the way they are) that one is born that way and no ammount of demeaning aversion 'therapy' is gonna change someone's orientation.

If one can accept that, how can you then say that people should be treated differently because of it?

fishybawb

11-26-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Billforce
otherwise it simply a perversion that they choose.

I've got a couple of gay friends (one woman, one man), and say what you like, but they didn't CHOOSE to be that way inclined. I don't see it as a problem at all, they have no more control over it than you or I do over being straight.

cdroman

11-26-2003, 10:16 PM

Is gay ok.
Yes to me.
No for homophobes.

ConfusedAlien

11-26-2003, 10:43 PM

me, personally, its ok.
but when they come up to me and start touching me? let me tell you something. when a physical line is broken, bones will be also broken.
happened before and will happen again if some dude rubs up on me.

after some incidents, i have to say that now, after thinking about it, i'll tolerate it. but i dont like it. i really think thats why everyone thinks but wont say. so i'll say. i dont like it. but i'll go "along with the crowd"
since most people in the americas believe in god, i dont, then being gay is wrong. forget where it says so, but its there

also, its wrong being gay because you are made to procreate and make childen. so in that aspect, you are not just homosexual, you are a failure, a genetic mistake.
and we definitely dont want to evolve that way. at least i dont.

i bet some of you take this as harsh opinion. well, this is just how i think of the issue.

ScaryBinary

11-26-2003, 11:32 PM

Fine by me.

Heck, women don't hit on me anymore, so I'd be flattered if anyone, even a guy, did.:D

Of course biologically speaking it's a little tough for two people of the same sex to reproduce naturally, but that doesn't mean it's immoral (anymore than a failure to reproduce makes ...ahem... masturbating .... immoral). Will this one get by the censors...? :p

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with it. To each his (or her) own. Two guys in love doesn't affect my life at all. Two girls in love, now that's just hot.:x

SPEEDO

11-27-2003, 08:14 AM

Now don't get me wrong I ain't got nuttin' against the gays there Edith.

But I sure liked it a lot better when they were in the closet and kept their gayness to themselves. But when they started marching down main st. professing their freakin' gayness it began to get to me. I don't really like anyone shoving anything down my throat.

bushmaster

11-27-2003, 08:25 AM

Some people need to get a grip. Homosexuality has been around since man crawled out of the primordial ooze, long before any sort of religious and moral value's were shoved at us. I see some say it's wrong becuse humans were made to procreate. Well maybe there is a divine reason for homosexuality because as such it doesn't contribute to the overpopulation of this planet.

Now we have some people saying "well if they ever touch me". Please, homosexuals are not some group of demented creatures lurking in the dark waiting to pounce on unsuspecting heterosexuals. Thats just **** spoon-fed to the masses by homophobic morons who have no security in their own sexuality.

Sexual predation has nothing to do what so-ever with one's sexual preference but rather a lack of mental stability so I have to wonder on what "side of the fence" is sexual molestation more prevalent.

The majority of homosexuals really have no interest at all in having sexual contact with heterosexuals. We are as much forbidden fruit to them as they are to us.

Once again "Live and let live"

ConfusedAlien

11-27-2003, 10:04 AM

bushmaster, have you had a homosexual touch you?

i thought so

bushmaster

11-27-2003, 10:10 AM

Tell me CA how old were you when this person "touched" you ?.

j.m@talk

11-27-2003, 01:04 PM

W00t is goin on now :(

zybch

11-27-2003, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by SPEEDO
Now don't get me wrong I ain't got nuttin' against the gays there Edith.

But I sure liked it a lot better when they were in the closet and kept their gayness to themselves. But when they started marching down main st. professing their freakin' gayness it began to get to me. I don't really like anyone shoving anything down my throat.

I would have to say that people who need to shout out "I'm gay so I'm gonna shove it in your face so get used to it!" are probably in the minority.
I have many gay friends and they all just get down to it and work hard for a living just like everyone else without jumping up and down and making a huge fuss about something that really isn't that important anyway.

Its the jerks that end up on the TV and the entertainment industry's portrayal of homosexuals as mincing 'fags' that most people automatically think of when you say the word gay.
This is definatley NOT the way that your average gay or bi person behaves.

I know of at least 1 person who has posted in this thread who is gay but they haven't made a huge song and dance about it, just made their point without taking any extroverted pleasure in ramming it down people's throats (no naughty pun intended) ;)

Oh, bob05 - the chances that someone in your immediate family and at least 2 of your friends are gay are around 80%. How do you like them bananas?!

mireland

11-27-2003, 02:04 PM

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
W00t is goin on now :(

best to stand back til this blows over..(maybe wrong choice of words, I don't know... http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/embarrassed.gif

j.m@talk

11-27-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by mireland
best to stand back til this blows over..(maybe wrong choice of words, I don't know... http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/embarrassed.gif

Keepin a low profile too ;)

sm8000

11-27-2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Billforce
simply a perversion that they choose.

:rolleyes:

LOL.... this is the type of argument that Scott Adams would classify as "Ignoring everything science knows about the brain."

bassman

11-27-2003, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by bushmaster
Sexual predation has nothing to do what so-ever with one's sexual preference
I agree, it's just as simple as this: if I hadn't found my better half yet and a woman that I find completely unattractive was to hit on me, I'd say no (if it was a one night stand). If she insisted, I'd say no. If she kept insisting I'd ignore her. If things were to get out of hand, I'd leave. This happened to me once, and when I said "Thank you, I'll pass" she replied "Are you a fag or what?". I turned around, kept silent and left, because I didn't wanted to hurt her feelings by telling her she looked like a surgical proceding gone FUBAR with lots of makeup on...
I wouldn't like it if someone criticised me for being hetero, so this alone makes it wrong for me to criticise someone for not being hetero. Additionally, no one has the right to judge and condmen other people's behaviours just because one disagrees with them. And I won't even go into the "morale" field, as I find it a ridiculous concept (but that's just my opinion)...

cwin

11-27-2003, 04:46 PM

For 2 years i was cheeked by one, who claimed not to be one... and he was cheeking me by saying i was one.

I held my anger well. He has told everyone now that he is one. That just makes me more angry :t

zybch

11-27-2003, 05:43 PM

Some people have a real problem.
Check these out:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/bergis-gayschool.mp3

and

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/nedgaychannel.mp3

The first guy gets so steamed. Its brilliant! Language is a little course but its all bleeped. :)

Billforce

11-27-2003, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by sm8000
:rolleyes:

LOL.... this is the type of argument that Scott Adams would classify as "Ignoring everything science knows about the brain."

This is your and Scotts OPINION and like armpits, everyone has a couple. The gays have done a remarkable job of trying to sell this idea of underdeveloped hypothalymous etc. This is merely them trying to JUSTIFY their perversion as a normal activity.
As previously stated: I have no interest in what people do with their private lives but STOP trying to promote their illness as normal behavior. I also am of the opinion that it is in FACT a choice made by them the same as any other questionable habit such as smoking, alcohol or drug abuse.

cdroman

11-27-2003, 10:35 PM

Originally posted by Billforce
I also am of the opinion that it is in FACT a choice made by them the same as any other questionable habit such as smoking, alcohol or drug abuse.

Couldn't disagree with you more. The gay people I know spent most of their life trying to deny the fact that they were gay, and tried to be heterosexual. Some even got married and had kids. But finally they give up the sharade and admit they are gay, and it is not by choice. Virtually none of them would have chosen it that way. You probably know several gay people that certainly will not tell you so. I was quite surprised at some of the people that I know that are gay. They're still the same people though and I don't consider them sick.

zybch

11-28-2003, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by Billforce
I also am of the opinion that it is in FACT a choice made by them the same as any other questionable habit such as smoking, alcohol or drug abuse.

I think this is about as offensive as one can get.
You might as well say that one's sex is something that you get to make a choice about, or that you can choose the color of your hair once you get old enough to make a informed descision about it.
Perhaps the genetic/heredity component of a persons orientation is not yet understood, however in the same way, we still don't know much about this regarding many other inhereted traits and passed on characteristics.
One thing that is a little strange is that if homosexuality was entirely genetic, why are there still homosexuals? Surely it would have been bred out by now. Unless that is, that the genes must be carried by both progenitors or something and are recessive so that 9 in every 10 times they get over-ruled by the dominant 'hetro gene'.

In the end, I'm not sure it would be good for gays if a gay gene was actually found. Instead of the open discrimination that occurs now, we would have hidden discrimination when applying for jobs, insurance etc if your DNA contained the gay marker.

And the one thing we humans are really good at is discrimination based on differences that really don't mean a single thing (color, race, breeding - for you brits)

Billforce

11-28-2003, 12:36 AM

As previously stated, they can do with their lives whatever they choose. JUST stop trying to sell the world on their perversion as a normal behavior. I will never buy that until they procreate.

zybch

11-28-2003, 12:39 AM

So long as there are people like you that believe that it is a perversion, there will never be a world in which homosexuals can do what they please.
By calling it a perversion you automatically place yourself higher and believe youself to have more worth than the 'perverts'.

Isn't that a bit like what Hitler did with the Jews? Or the 1st settlers of Australia did with the Tasmanian aboriginies (completely wiped them out).

Billforce

11-28-2003, 12:43 AM

Hey!, the only intellifgent thing Fidel did was to incarcerate all the gays and aids victims. Not persecute, just kept them out of the mainstream population. I'm all for it and I HAVE A GAY SON....but that doesn't alter the fact that it is and never will be a normal lifestyle. It's liberals like you that perpetrate their perversions.

zybch

11-28-2003, 12:48 AM

Is that what you'd like to do with your son?

mireland

11-28-2003, 12:59 AM

I'm afraid this thread is taking a turn for the worse...:(

zybch

11-28-2003, 01:05 AM

Just following Billforce's comments to their logical conclusion.

Billforce

11-28-2003, 01:12 AM

AU contrere sahib, you don't know me very well. I am not threatened by most anything in this old world...I live in the heart of Colombia in a highly dangerous atmosphere...But that is not to say that I don't have CONTEMPT for liberal attitudes and left handed thinking. I never stated that I wished my son have a life of incarceration, after all he doesn't live in Cuba. But I don't condone his lifestyle any more than I do the guerilla in Colombia. It is a choice of less than normal thinking. If you wish to place yourself in that category, then be my guest. Narrow minded perhaps, but at least NORMAL.

zybch

11-28-2003, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Billforce
I'm all for it and I HAVE A GAY SON....

Originally posted by Billforce
It is a choice of less than normal thinking.

But its not a choice. All of my gay friends that I've spoken to about 'choice' simply laugh and say that they knew from around the age of 3-4 but didn't actually know what it meant, only becomming aware later, usually after trying very hard to lead a hetro lifestyle with often disastrous/funny results.

Free will to make a choice is great, unless that choice is allready pre-determined.

fishybawb

11-28-2003, 05:53 AM

The whole belief of being able to choose your sexuality is as laughable as it is ignorant. BTW Billforce, I love the way that you always call anyone disagreeing with your neanderthal views a "liberal", as if that were the dirtiest word imaginable. Very entertaining :D

bushmaster

11-28-2003, 07:47 AM

"....but that doesn't alter the fact that it is and never will be a normal lifestyle."

Define normal.

ukulele

11-28-2003, 12:41 PM

I have no problem with gays doing their thing. It leaves more women for me, but to say they are normal, well if a guy can't figure out that a key goes into a lock and not another key, now that ain't normal. :rolleyes:

Billforce

11-28-2003, 05:38 PM

Hear, Hear Uke...finally a voice of intelligence. Here again, the gay community has done an excellent selling job on the general public in spite of the fact homosexuality is no way an acceptable NORMAL lifestyle. Just count the children produced thru homo activity (sans attorneys of course).

I have no objections or reservations in regards to what my son or others do with his private life but STOP trying to convince the world it's normal (defined assomething that ordinarily conformes to a given pattern or activity). In quoting some of the above....I have known several gays that TOLD me blah blah blah, wtf do you expect when you go to the source in question. Hardly a credible source.
As I stated, when they can procreate (normally), then I will accept it as something other than a questiuonable lifestyle.

Strawbs

11-28-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by Billforce
This is your and Scotts OPINION and like armpits, everyone has a couple. The gays have done a remarkable job of trying to sell this idea of underdeveloped hypothalymous etc. This is merely them trying to JUSTIFY their perversion as a normal activity.
As previously stated: I have no interest in what people do with their private lives but STOP trying to promote their illness as normal behavior. I also am of the opinion that it is in FACT a choice made by them the same as any other questionable habit such as smoking, alcohol or drug abuse. Bingo Billforce! The whole statement is about as accurate as one can get to my own feelings on the matter, Gays are selling homosexuality as tho' it were a pop song or a fashion accessory! They're fine to talk to at arms length, but no closer please!

My wife says that when I'm not smiling, I look ready to kill someone ...maybe that look has kept me free from homosexual approach! Thank God.

cdroman

11-28-2003, 06:28 PM

You guys are two peas in a pod.:t

Strawbs

11-28-2003, 06:32 PM

http://www.paulsxp.com/smilies/otn/party/beerchug.gif

michaeln

11-28-2003, 06:46 PM

Well on the (w)hole I suppose it's OK:)

maje87c

11-28-2003, 10:59 PM

the entire discussion seems to have been about gay men. What about gay women? You might say it's the same principle that it's not.

Homosexuality is neither a natural phenomenon nor is it a choice. As long as it does not disturb the lifestyles of others in ways that heterosexuality doesn't, and as long as it does not break any laws, I see nothing wrong with it.

Maybe somebody knows something about this, but have there ever been any instances of homosexuality in other mammals? I realize we are a bit more complex than most organisms, but generally, if it occurs naturally, it should occur in nature.

And Billforce, why do you hate liberal thinking? what is so wrong about an opposing view?

zybch

11-28-2003, 11:22 PM

This might surprise (and dismay some) but it has been found that there is a similarity in the inner ears of lesbian women. I'll try to find the source and post it.
This can only mean that it is a genetic thing or hormone inbalance during pregnancy.
Not a garantee that you'd turn out lesbian, but perhaps a pre-disposition, much like alcoholism or voting conservative like bill.
This doesn't explain gay men however.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9803/02/lesbian.ears/

http://www.rslevinson.com/gaylesissues/features/collect/newsnotes/blears.htm

comp_nut

11-29-2003, 12:06 AM

i think I'm a lesbian ,i love woman

:D

neverwhere

11-29-2003, 04:10 AM

personally, I worked with a gay person for almost two years and I must say, he was the nicest person I ever met there. Actually, almost all gays are nice as **** and very easy going. Personally, a persons sexual orientation is their own, but once you start expressing that on others who have made it clear they dont want it/dont care it becomes bothersome. Moral? Keep it to yourself and those who want it. If you leave the homophobes alone they will just get weeded out of the garden of life eventually. I call that Darwinism. :D :t

bushmaster

11-29-2003, 08:05 AM

So I'm trying to figure this one out. What defined set of laws or principals tells us that homosexuality is wrong, un-natural or "not normal" ?
So far I have only seen the argument that because two men can not procreate it must be against some higher order of things that be.
But if we use the argument that any sexual activities other than the act of male/female coitus for the strict purpose of procreating are "not normal" than we would have to admit that most of the inhabitants of this planet are practicing alternative sexual lifestyles.
Anybody that has pulled the "procreation" card in this topic to make a point that it's "not normal" is themselves being hypocritical if they have had any sort of sexual contact other than male/female vaginal penetration for the strict purpose of procreating.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 10:46 AM

So I'm trying to figure this one out. What defined set of laws or principals tells us that homosexuality is wrong, un-natural or "not normal" ?

Ummm....AIDS for one.

bushmaster

11-29-2003, 10:49 AM

"Ummm....AIDS for one."

Wrong. AIDS is not specific to homosexual lifestyle.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by bushmaster
"Ummm....AIDS for one."

Wrong. AIDS is not specific to homosexual lifestyle.

It's too bad that the gay community didn't know that before the epidemic got spread throughout the country and on to the rest of the world. You best do your homework about the start of AIDS. It got started by unnatural acts with monkeys and was spread throughout the world by homosexuals and bisexuals. Think what you want, it's a free country, but don't try to change the facts to fit an arguement.

BTW...Don't you think it is ironic that the best protection against STDs is marraige and now the gay community wants to change that to include them too. It is no coincidence. By sanctioning marriage they by definition suddenly make homosexual behavior as moral as sex between married hetrosexuals.

sm8000

11-29-2003, 11:16 AM

Bushmaster is still right. AIDS is not isolated to gays alone. The facts about its origins may make it seem that way, but AIDS and HIV are a reality for all lifestyles.

Imperion1

11-29-2003, 11:23 AM

This thread will be closed in 24 hours. Its starting to turn into a gay bashing and how they started aids thread.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by sm8000
Bushmaster is still right. AIDS is not isolated to gays alone. The facts about its origins may make it seem that way, but AIDS and HIV are a reality for all lifestyles.

AIDS is HIV.

Imperion1

11-29-2003, 11:25 AM

Reading Material (http://www.sysopt.com/forum/faq/faq4.html)
And HERE (http://www.internet.com/corporate/legal.html)

ukulele

11-29-2003, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Imperion1
This thread will be closed in 24 hours. Its starting to turn into a gay bashing and how they started aids thread.

Ya, close the thread. Nobody needs to hear that utter nonsense. Easier to just bury it under the rug. :rolleyes:

bushmaster

11-29-2003, 11:28 AM

Un-natural acts with monkeys (LOL) is not homosexuality, but rather beastiality.
And as somebody who is licensed by the New York state dept. of health as a medic I am pretty well versed in the history and nature of infectious disease, how it is spread, and what prophylactic measures to take in order to avoid it.
AIDS had spread originally in a more rampant manner among homosexuals as there was no need to use barriers to prevent pregnancy.
I rode in rigs for years, and the base assumption is to treat every patient as a potential carrier of something infectious.

Monkeys, yeesh. Yeah there are just tons of monkeys freely roaming the west village in NYC. I heard they even have monkey sex bars LOL.

sm8000

11-29-2003, 11:30 AM

Marriage is NOT the best protection against STDs, unless NOBODY has any sort of sex until they're married. Even then....

Oh, and HIV is NOT AIDS. Human Immunodeficiency Virus is what causes people to be susceptible to Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

Get yourself educated. Find some reading material.

maje87c

11-29-2003, 11:31 AM

ukelele, you make it sound like the gay community is a secret society whose goal is to enslave the world and give everyone STDs.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Imperion1
Reading Material (http://www.sysopt.com/forum/faq/faq4.html)
And HERE (http://www.internet.com/corporate/legal.html)

Could you please show us all where anyone has violated any of these rules you pointed to. No one is being bashed, pornography is not being submitted and the subject is not irrelevent nonsense. The subject of the thread is "Is Gay OK?". Where did you think this thread was going to go? What? It's OK as long as there is no opposing view to homosexuality.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 11:43 AM

Originally posted by maje87c
ukelele, you make it sound like the gay community is a secret society whose goal is to enslave the world and give everyone STDs.

You make it sound as if I have to agree with the gay communities opinion on moral behavior or I am wrong in not doing so. Personally I don't care what they think.

bushmaster

11-29-2003, 11:44 AM

AIDS was first identified in 1959 in what was then the Belgian Congo.
40 million people worldwide live with AIDS, 30 million of whom live in Africa. Of these, 58% are women and 3 million are children under 15. 3.1 million people died of AIDS in 2001. More than 12 million children have been orphaned by the virus; that number is expected to climb to a staggering 30 million by 2010.
It has been known for a long time that certain viruses can pass from animals to humans, and this process is referred to as zoonosis.
The researchers concluded that HIV could have crossed over from chimpanzees as a result of a human killing a chimp and eating it for food.

Some other rather controversial theories have contended that HIV was transferred iatrogenically i.e. via medical experiments. One particularly well publicised theory is that polio vaccines played a role in the transfer.

The journalist Edward Hooper has suggested that HIV could be traced to the testing of an oral polio vaccine called Chat as batches of the Chat vaccine may have been grown in chimp kidney cells in the Congo, the Wistar Institute and Belgium. That could have resulted in the contamination of the vaccine with chimp SIV, the simian version of HIV-1. This vaccine was then given to about a million people in the Belgian Congo, Ruanda and Urundi in the late 1950s.
Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:

A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo

HIV found in tissue samples from an African-American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.

HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.

Analysis in 1998 of the plasma sample from 1959 was interpreted5 as suggesting that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s, which was earlier than had previously been suggested. Other scientists have suggested that it could have been even longer, perhaps around 100 years or more ago.

j.m@talk

11-29-2003, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by ukulele
Personally I don't care what they think.

Nor me )-|

zybch

11-29-2003, 07:08 PM

I think its funny that when all logical arguments run out, those who believe that gayness is an abomination always fall back on the AIDS thing, despite the fact that the main victims are those living in Africa and are for the most part as straight as something that is very straight indeed.

Marriage success rates in 'first world' countries are the lowest in recorded modern history, with almost 2 in every 3 failing in under 4 years. Yet we still get ill-informed people spouting off about how marriage is the solution to all of life's woes.

If marriage is the solution, then the problem would logically have to be that there are too many married people :)

ukulele

11-29-2003, 07:15 PM

the main victims are those living in Africa

:rolleyes:

zybch

11-29-2003, 07:16 PM

AIDS is HIV.

Um, not its not.

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS.

Testing positive for HIV means that you now carry the virus that causes AIDS. It does not mean that you have AIDS, nor does it mean that you will die.
Although there is no cure for AIDS, many opportunistic infections that make people sick can be controlled, prevented or eliminated. This has substantially increased the longevity and quality of life for people living with AIDS.

ukulele

11-29-2003, 07:22 PM

If marriage is the solution, then the problem would logically have to be that there are too many married people

OK. If you say so.

j.m@talk

11-29-2003, 07:25 PM

Question?

Beastiality aside ...... How did the virus get to the human ?:confused:

ukulele

11-29-2003, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by zybch
Um, not its not.

HIV is the virus that causes AIDS.

Testing positive for HIV means that you now carry the virus that causes AIDS. It does not mean that you have AIDS, nor does it mean that you will die.
Although there is no cure for AIDS, many opportunistic infections that make people sick can be controlled, prevented or eliminated. This has substantially increased the longevity and quality of life for people living with AIDS.

OK...If you say SO. :-@