Underground Sysopt?

[Andrew]

Please, everyone, don't get angry with me: In no way do I condone piracy, but...

I recently came across a pirate site that looks exactly, I mean exactly, like Sysopt.com; just the colors are darker. My question is, is this site related to Sysopt?

I know that Mr. Kleppinger and Socalgal always lock posts which discuss warez, and take this topic very seriously, but I just want to know (and hope that) the sites are not related.

I understand if my post needs to be censored...thanks all...

[KillerBug]

I think the sensoring is on stuff like "the bast warez page" or " can you send my a copy of quake 2?" Or anything with links to warez sites.

[Joel Kleppinger]

Well, I personally would be very interesting in knowing what site you've found. Believe me, I'm sure they are in no way affiliated with us whatsoever. We do not condone warez or pirated software at all because we do believe that an author/company should be paid their dues and it is illegal by law to pirate software.

There's no way we would allow our reputation to be tarnished by a few warez d00ds. Our professional status depends on our objectivity and reputation, and we do not take either of them lightly here.

[SysOpt]

Please let me know what the URL is of the site you're referring to. If you are correct, legal action WILL be pursued, if necessary.

Best Regards,

Scott Wainner

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[BBA]

I think it's just the use of the same BBS program, cause I see this layout/format all over the place.

I wouldn't suspect any other site with this layout to be connected to SysOpt or any other site I visit.

2 Cents


BBA

[Susan]

I thought of the same, BBA. The site may be using UBB, just like this and may look the same.

[SysOpt]

Hopefully that's the case..

[Ed_S]

Still, if it's a pirate site, the folks at UBB might be interested.
Would that violate their terms, Scott?

Report it, might get one of those !@#$% shut down!

[welsh wizard]

orig comments removed by ww, not fitting for the standard of this site

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[SysOpt]

Well, if Andrew comes back and looks at this thread again, hopefully he will post a link and we can sort this out. If the 'pirate site' truly is copying SysOpt's content, EarthWeb will be very interested to find that out.

Scott

[Mntsnow]

welsh wizard,

What do you want me to do? Why me?

Mntsnow

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[SysOpt]

URL, Andrew?

[Andrew]

Hello again, everyone...

Okay, I never said that they were COPYING Sysopt's content; all I meant was that the LAYOUT looked the same, the way that MS Word and Corel's Wordperfect look the same...two different programs, but look the same. (Almost.)

As for that URL; I don't have it bookmarked; I just came across it one day a while ago. If I were to look for it, I can't say for certain I'd find it...

And that would be snitching...wouldn't it?

[IRED]

andygetalife

[SysOpt]

Ah yes, snitching, that's it. When you mature, you will come to understand that ethics and morality are important virtues.

Scott

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[KillerBug]

Oh no, snich, Andy the ully might beat you up at recess!

[KillerBug]

Oh no, snich, Andy the bully might beat you up at recess!

[MrEd]

[dup]


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[MrEd]

Okay, guys, let's be careful here.
Remeber, we have to be better than everyone else...

Next time, Andrew, don't post anything like this if you're not going to take a role in supporting SysOpt. It's not "Snitching". If someone is out there copying something that is copyrighted, it's ILLEGAL. Understand?

-MrEd

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[socalgal]

Hmm. Well.

MrEd said it all. I will refrain...

[Andrew]

It's unfortunate that my original question has evolved into an episode complete with name calling by its most senior members, and also including images of a schoolyard beating.

It is also unfortunate that my maturity, ethical and moral values are being questioned, and even stomped upon; you people don’t even know me, and it saddens me that this was all perpetrated by Sysopt’s most senior member.

Again, and I cannot stress this more clearly, “I NEVER SAID THAT SYSOPT’S CONTENT WAS BEING STOLEN.” Please do not put words in my mouth. Like one post mentioned, “The site may be using UBB, just like this and may look the same.” Please do not accuse people of things they have not said.

And in reply to a previous post: How am I not supporting Sysopt? It is none of your business, but Sysopt happens to be one of my favourite sites. It is not my duty to police the internet; there is no such institution. If you all want to do your part in getting rid of all the pirate sites, they are not so hard to find; be my guest.

I realize fully that you are all angry with me, but I make no apologies for what I have written. Good day, all.

[CMonster]

This URL was the closest in proximity to the Sysopt name but nothing like our own great site: www.sysopsolutions.com (http://www.sysopsolutions.com)

http://www.otal.umd.edu/~jyang/images/goted04.gif ! Now everybody just cool off! /forum/smile.gif

And yes, there certainly are a number of sites using the "Ultimate BBS."



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[socalgal]

Andrew ~

I speak for myself here, but your original post called for clarification, i.e., an URL so that any illegality could be investigated. I believe no one here is accusing you of anything, except perhaps causing some alarm, and then not providing us with the source your findings.

If you do feel that this should be a concern for SysOpt to investigate further, then please provide the URL of the site if/when you find it, either here, or using the Contact Us link at the bottom of the page, or you may email me at the address provided in my profile.

I personally feel that it is not snitching when you are protecting your own against harm.

[MrEd]

Okay Andrew,
Let me be the first to say, I'm sorry. I've never felt the need to justify anything I've ever said, in here or in life. We obviously misunderstood your original post. The subject of the same ubb was also brought up, and you never said that:"Yes, that was the case." Instead, you brought up the question of whether or not it was right to tell on them, with all of us still thinking that you found a "website" that was like SysOpt's, not a ubb. I never questioned your ethics or morality, I was mearly pointing out that it's illegal to copy something without permission from the person who originally copyrighted it. And remember, I still thought you were talking "website", not "ubb".

[Another thing:]
You have to understand, also, that Scott has a lot of time and money invested on this "website", and anyone that feels they can freely copy it, is going to cause him some grief. That's where the "support" thing comes in. I don't think he wants us all out there policing for copyright infringments, but I'm sure he'd like to know, if we happen across one.

I'm Sorry.

-MrEd
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[SysOpt]

Andrew,

From your initial post, I got the idea that you were trying to help out by pointing us in the direction of a site that was copying some aspect of SysOpt.com. So, I was eager to find out what site you were referring to, regardless. Then, when you didn't want to, or couldn't, provide the URL to that site, it obviously frustrated me and everyone else here.

So, I apologize if mine, or anyone elses, behavior seemed childish to you - we simply wanted to get to the bottom of the issue that you brought up initially.

You will find that usually, this site is one of the more professional hardware sites out there, and the people who frequent our forum are mature, balanced, non-combative individuals who simply want to help each other out.

Sincerely,

Scott Wainner

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[welsh wizard]

First Andrew and I quote your post "I recently came across a pirate site that looks excactly,I mean excatly like Sysopt.com;" If you wish to clear up matter as to whether it was a pirate site or not if you were useing IE5 click history and search through past web site's you have been to maybe you'll get lucky and find it that way you can at least put us out of our misery over pirates or not pirate's, any adult person will get upset at having their favourite web site ripped off, ( to some of us pirates are stealing the food from our families dinner plates, when they pirate software or web site's) it affects all of us in an adverse way, software companies and even computer companies have gone out out of business becuase of pirates, programmers have stopped writing for some formats because they get ripped of and loose out on royalty payments, then the format dies, PIRATE'S are every one's foe, and people do get hot under the collar, I am sorry for that, but not any attempt to nail the #***$#@ Pirates.

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[nilknarf]

It's so nice to know that in this day and age people can still say they're sorry!

By the way,

Both Netscape and IE have a way of tracking your browsing history. Unless you've cleared it out already, the "pirate" site should still be listed in your history. Just start looking through them and see if you can find the one that you were talking about.

I'm sure SysOpt would like to know, and I personally would like to know what site to tell my friends & colleagues not to go to. I happen to be a programmer myself and don't like it when my stuff, or any copyrighted stuff, is pirated for any reason.

That's All Folks!!!

[MrEd]

Okay, we're still trying to get a URL from him. I think he made it clear it's not another site. It's just another UBB. Those are used all the time.

-MrEd

[bkehoe]

Andrew,
Even if none of the content is copied, it could still be illegal if the design is the same, which you suggested in the first post in this topic.

If it is UBB, fine, as there are about 70,000 sites, including mine, anandtech, here, e.t.c using it.

And as the others said, there is a history function in any modern browser, so with a few clicks you can look back at the URL!

Brendan

[SysOpt]

Andy emailed me the URL. From the looks of it, it was simply a case of a very foul Warez/Porn site using UBB, that's it.

Call off the hounds! /forum/wink.gif

Scott

[MrEd]

PORN????? I might be interested in that one.
Ahem, you can just forward that on to me if you want.........


**WHAT?... WHAT IS EVERYONE LOOKING AT?!?**

Oh, well.
-MrEd
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[reddog4629]

Yes! I think you should share. /forum/biggrin.gif

[SysOpt]

Ha, if you can't find a porn site on the Internet on your own, you're pretty blind!!! /forum/smile.gif The one in question is just a typical **** warez site with eight zillion porn ads interlaced within it. Gotta love 'em - really adds to the quality of the 'net.

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[MrEd]

Well, if you put it that way....

Who needs 'em anyway? (Warez that is)

-MrEd
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[Nathan G]

SHeez, all you people are grounded for the weekend!...nuff said?

[jokostel]

Hey MR.Ed.... The good die young right?? hehe /forum/smile.gif

[MrEd]

LOL: I'm on my deathbed Jokostel!!!! /forum/biggrin.gif

[jokostel]

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[Bob-NB]

Hi Andrew.... How about looking at it this way.... Its been a learning experience as to what you post or do not post. When you tell someone "about a pirate site", they are going to want to know about it. If you don't want it discussed, do not post it. Some of the comments may have been a bit harsh, but I'm sure they were said to get you to reveal the site. I suspect that you probably made a mistake with "pirate" vs UBB and were embarassed to admit it. If that's the case, fine, but realize that we all make mistakes and that "confession is good for the soul". Plus you can look at it this way, look at all the posts you got on your thread...........

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