Can't see others on network

[bonz_dragon]

I know this ? gets asked alot but here it is again.
Network is not seeing the other computer.
Here's the setup; Win98 SE, Charter Pipeline through Motorola modem, using D-Link 614+ router, D-Link 520+ PCI adapter, Linksys LNE100TX PCI NIC.
Have been through MS Support site, EZLAN site, PracticallyNet, searched this and other forums, D-Links CD manual and website.
Divice manager says everything is working properly, no conflicts. Have been back through all th istall/setup steps 3 times and everything looks complete.
Have no problems accessing the internet though either computer so that's working! When I open network it only sees the one I'm at.
Getting very frustrated!!!!! AURRRRRRGGGGGGGGH

[omendata]

need more info
how are your cards wired up?
operating systems used - other computers?

have you tried installing netbuie?

may be a router / firewall port 135,137,139 issue

need more info

[sm8000]

Your primary logon must be set to Client for MS Networks. All PCs must be in the same subnet and workgroup.

[omendata]

have you tried searching for the other computers by netbios name in explorer

[bonz_dragon]

2 computers, both WIN98SE. Both client MSNetwork, all same subnet and workgroup. Both named. Netbuie installed. All drives set for sharing.

At boot net log in I'm now getting "no domain server was available to validate password.

[omendata]

so have you set them up on a domain with a server there?

if its a windows 2000 server in native mode you wont be able to logon in win98 or nt

only 2000/xp

if so then you need to disable the domain login and select workgroup!

only get this error if you ahve set it up to look for a domain rather than a workgroup

virus checked your machines?

you still havent said how you are connected
which nic is attached to the network - dlink i presume?
wiht a router in between? or direct to a hub or a switch or thinnet , 10baset , token ring??????

need info
lots and lots of pertinent details

[BipolarBill]

:p

It's the domain thing. ;)

[bonz_dragon]

BPB, what? Explain please.

[omendata]

We gotta DOMAIN thing goin on!

feel it in my network all night loooong

Im wasted here!

The stage beckons!
:D

[BipolarBill]

Go into the properties for Client for MS Networks and get off the Domain Thing! :t

[omendata]

GET RID OF MS FAMILY LOGON AS WELL

So its a wireless connection to the network!"

Id start again - you have too many protocols broadcasting.

just install tcpip - get your subnetting right!

either set it manually or let the dhcp server do it - i take it the dlink is the link for everything - in which case does it have a firewall - is it filtering ipx.spx

you didnt mention where the dlink comes in

you mentioned the linksys twice

start from scratch

your netowkr is too convoluted - i always like to start with a clean slate - get the basics working then add to it if i need to

ipx/spx is self configuring but can be problematic over routers

start with client for msn , tcpip , file & print sharing

[bonz_dragon]

Did thatjust now, still nothing. checking now to see if I configured somethimg wrong in the network.
It's all new to me!

[omendata]

HAVE YOU TRIED PINGING THE OTHER PCS

What are their ip addresses!

[bonz_dragon]

Originally posted by omendata

Id start again - you have too many protocols broadcasting.

Sounds like a good idea!

just install tcpip - get your subnetting right!

you didnt mention where the dlink comes in
you mentioned the linksys twice

The D-link is between the cable modem on lan1 and the Linksys NIC. If this is what you mean? Yes the other client is wireless.

start from scratch

start with client for msn , tcpip , file & print sharing Which adapters should I leave on?

[bonz_dragon]

Originally posted by omendata
HAVE YOU TRIED PINGING THE OTHER PCS

What are their ip addresses!

Haven't learned that trick yet! But It is broadcasting because both computters are receiving internet!

[omendata]

so the dlink router does not include a wireless hub/switch.

So are you running all your machines wireless to the main netowrk in ad-hoc mode?

ie

win98
linksys -> dlink ->cable modem
dlink wireless -> ad-hoc

win98-2
dlink wireless -> ad-hoc

???

[omendata]

right ive done a bit of searching so it seems the router is a wireless router

you are using the router as the means to connect all your pc's
wireless infrastructure mode

the linksys is hardwired to the router

so what are the ip addresses on each card and why use two nics on the one machine to connect to the router?

[bonz_dragon]

Originally posted by omendata
right ive done a bit of searching so it seems the router is a wireless router

you are using the router as the means to connect all your pc's
wireless infrastructure mode

the linksys is hardwired to the router

so what are the ip addresses on each card?

Yes the router is wired to the Linksys NIC and the IPs are set to Autodetect so I'll have to look for'm.
Followed the manual to PING and it didn't work.

[omendata]

you cant have two cards dhcp (autodetect) on the one pc from the same dhcp server

get all the ip addresses

dos prompt
and type

ipconfig /all

or from windows

start run

type winipcfg

then ping xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx

substitute the ip address of each machine (card)
a reply means it can be seen - connected to the network

[bonz_dragon]

when I START- RUN command I get C:\WINDOWS.000\DESKTOP> no IP address shown.
type xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx and receive bad command or file name

[omendata]

no click the start button
then select run
then in the box
type

winipcfg

take the ip address given

stick those numbers into the ping command

say win98 pc 2 has ip address 192.168.0.1

on win98 pc 1 you then
click start button
select run
type dosprmpt
then hit return

black screen

then type

ping 192.168.0.1 (or whatever address you got for win98pc 2)

you really need to read up on networking before attempting to setup what you are doing - even pros can get their knickers in a twist

check this site and read it thooroughly so you understand what you are doing!

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/win98.htm

[bonz_dragon]

Thanks omendata,
I think I follow now, been to many sites and have the D-LINK cd in it now restarting everything. Been seeing a lot of misinformation between sites. Confusing, even in d-links own manual. You've been a great help so far really app. it so don't give up on me!
It's almost 3 am here and I'd better get some sleep. I'll finish deleting/reinstalling/restarting tomorrow and I'll let you know how it turns out. Will also look at that link before I start. All the reading I did before I started this said it would be easy! BS!
First started with a lot of missing files on Windows 98 and had to keep loading them almost one at a time. msn32dll was completely missing!

[nh3com]

install ipx and it will work fine

[BipolarBill]

Do NOT install IPX/SPX.

[nh3com]

reason

[BipolarBill]

He doesn't know diddly about network IDs and you don't seem willing to explain further, do you?

NetBEUI is easier and secure.

[TechGuru]

Does windows 98 even support IPX/SPX?

[nh3com]

its microsoft's default protocol so it works

[BipolarBill]

It was the default in the Win98 days. It hasn't been since Win98SE.

IPX doesn't deal well with routers. It's best to avoid it.

[TechGuru]

I thought IPX/SPX belonged to Novell

[Picard]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Do NOT install IPX/SPX.

Seconded.

[Picard]

Originally posted by TechGuru
I thought IPX/SPX belonged to Novell

That would be correct. Which is why it is of no use on a home lan.

[BipolarBill]

Yes - and that's exactly why MS dropped it. As a matter os fact, even Novell uses TCP/IP now.

[omendata]

Dont knock it too much
It has less overhead than TCP/IP and always worked faster over our company WAN (Once we got the routers configured properly) with less configuration and hassle than tcp/ip and its inherent addressing overhead!

But yes on a home lan not a good idea!

[omendata]

http://www.practicallynetworked.com/qa/qa20031023.shtml

[bonz_dragon]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
He doesn't know diddly about network IDs and you don't seem willing to explain further, do you?

NetBEUI is easier and secure.

Thank you Bill, and I am not afraid to admit my ignorance, though I have learned much this past week! I wish I had this much interest in learing when I was young.
I'll keep reading, asking and learning.

omendata, have been to PracticallyNetworked before and it's already bookmarked.

It 'd be really nice to see an actual network set-up manual for Win98, not even M$ has one on there site. Nice one for XP and 2000 though.

[omendata]

Dont worry about Bill
Hes just a grumpy old soak until hes had his extra strength Jamaican Golden Mountain Coffee!¬
:t

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/win98.htm

[BipolarBill]

:mad:

Gimme cawfee!

[bonz_dragon]

Just pinged both computer and they are receiving each other.
both came back 4sent 4 received =o loss. but yet in network neighborhood only the computer I'm on is showing.

[sm8000]

In the explorer window for Network Neighbourhood, type this into the address bar:

\\computername

See if that brings it up.

[bonz_dragon]

comes back can't find file or item

[BipolarBill]

Which antivirus program are you using? Some have firewalls built-in.

[bonz_dragon]

PC-cillan 2002 updated

[BipolarBill]

Go into the options for it and disable or at least configure the firewall that's included.

[bonz_dragon]

Firewall is set-up and I disable it when I download drivers or ad/remove software.

[BipolarBill]

The firewall works on all connections. You have to configure it to allow the other PC or disable it.

[bonz_dragon]

Bill, The other computer is on AVG. no PC-cillan installed there.

[sm8000]

That's fine for the other computer, but the one with the firewall - said firewall must be set to allow connections to and from AVG computer.

[BipolarBill]

Do me a favor and uninstall PC-Cillin and substitute AVG. It's better and it's free.

One PC with a firewall can screw up a 2-PC network. Until you try this, we can't be sure of anything.

All of the info you need is in this thread. There is no more. This should be working unless you have misconfigured something. It comes back to you. If you have to, redo the network settings on both PCs - including the workgroup name.

[bert202]

try searching for the other computer. On my XP 2 computer network i couldn't see the other computer at all but i could ping it. When i searched for that computers name it found it and from then on i could see it. Also you could try \\computer IP.

Also, have you set your DNS yet, try setting the DNS to the IP of where ever they are DHCPing off of, the device both are hooked too.
You could also set the IP's manualy, that way it's easier to ping and you could set the DNS as the other computers IP.

[bonz_dragon]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Do me a favor and uninstall PC-Cillin and substitute AVG. It's better and it's free.

One PC with a firewall can screw up a 2-PC network. Until you try this, we can't be sure of anything.

All of the info you need is in this thread. There is no more. This should be working unless you have misconfigured something. It comes back to you. If you have to, redo the network settings on both PCs - including the workgroup name.

Thanks for the patience.
Uninstalled PC-Cillin. Actually did a complete reformat of the drive because it was giving me problems anyways. Think the Video drivers got corrupted.

Went back through it, all new, and came up the same way, same problems with network.. After I uninstalled AV I went to D-Link site, searched and found suggestion to change workgroup name on all computers. Did that and now I can access one but not the other. The only change I made was from uppercase to lowercase type in workgroup.

I hope someone else is learning from this too!:D

[omendata]

Oooooh you're gonna make Bill mad
You dont want to make bill mad , you wont like it when hes angry
Goes a funny shade of green and ruins his good work shirts!

This was suggested in the very first page and the case doesnt matter!!!!!!!
:rolleyes:

Its also a sticky

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=147539

HEY BILL MAYBE YOU SHOULD CHANGE THE TITLE OF THE STICKY AS ITS NOT APPARENT THAT THIS IS THE FIRST PLACE TO LOOK FOR NETWORK ISSUES FOR A RESOLUTION....

JUST A THOUGHT¬¬

[BipolarBill]

I can't change the title of the thread and I can't seem to choose a title that gets everyone's attention.

Still, this darned thread is getting a mile long. If it ain't in here, it ain't nowhere.

[bonz_dragon]

Well thanks for all the help. Been through this thread and the stickies again and again. Can't find what I'm doing wrong with no new ideas so go ahead and close this thread.
I really have learned much and if nothing else gained a new list of sites/forums read and learn more!

[BipolarBill]

If one PC appears on the network and the other doesn't, there's something on the PC that doesn't appear which is blocking access.

[sm8000]

Uninstall anything it could possibly be, then run BigJakk's cleaning procedure (see article). Once done, retry connection. If successful, install what you want one at a time until connection lost - there's your culprit! Uninstall and retry connection. If unsuccessful - re-clean. If still unsuccessful - something's been changed or corrupted and needs reinstallation.

[bonz_dragon]

Think I've got it narrowed down to not being able to log on to the network from this one computer because all the setting seen to be correct.
Network Neighborhood, finds computer but tells me it's not logged on.

[BipolarBill]

Check the Primary logon. Windows Logon won't work.

[bonz_dragon]

Finally got it all worked out. Everything WAS configured correctly in the network setup.
It's Windows were the problem lies!
For some reason I have to log off Windows then log back into the network before I can access the network. Also while logged into the network I cannot access email through Outlook Express but that's another mess.

Thanks everyone for all your help and suggestions, I have learned so very much about networks I'm still sorting it out in my head! Next step is learning how to use it all!

Kevin
aka bonz_dragon