New CPU on MOBO won't work, Old CPU will - HELP

[Skip74]

I have just bought a 2.4G AMD with FSB of 266 to replace a 1.4G AMD on a 2.5year old (I will K266-R) mobo. But when I fire the old girl up she turns on, hard drive light flickers along with the other drive lights. But screen stays black, it appears like it’s still in standby mode. I have check the jumper settings on the mobo, which are set to 133Hz all ram is seated well, AGP card looks ok.

Have placed old CPU back in system and it works like a treat, can anyone please give me some ideas, as I have this nice new CPU which I really want to use.

Thanks in advance.

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[Baddog]

Most likely you will have to update your bios.:cool:

[Bat25]

Firstly, there are three boards with the tag of (K266)-R, just look at this page, then look at your motherboard, or mobo manual to identify your "exact" chipset and board model name - here is the page.

http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductLV2.asp?vID=93&SID=52&MID=25

*Next, most if not all al either ALI Magic chipsets, ot KT133, or K133a chipsets. Second, there is not 2.4 GhzAMD processor with a 266 FSB. XP2400 is 2.0 Ghz, XP 2600 is 1.9 Ghz (and there are two versions of the 2600, one333 FSBd one is 266 FSB hard to find).

-So,maybe you mean you have the XP2400? and you are mistaking that for 2.4 Ghz? As even as XP3200 runs at 2.2 GHZ.

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Ok, assuming you might have an XP2400 (266 fsb) it's doubfull that it will run, because it's likely a T-Bred B, or A, and your motherboard probably supports only Palaminos up to XP2000 (1.67 GHZ). It might have had a bios release to actually support up to an XP2400, and even an XP2600. But to know this, and to update your bios if they have a bios that supports it - you need to correctly identify your board model, and chipset exactly. Then we go from there. I have a Palomino XP2000 if your interested (1.67 Ghz), if you find out your board will not support T-Bred processors.


**On a side note, I looked at Iwill's bios files, and they have no read me's on the site to read before you download - but there might be one contained within the file once it's downloaded.

[Skip74]

Many thanks Bat25 for the information; and yes you were correct I did mean XP2400. I have to say I'm a bit new to this game and it looks like I've made a classic all time #@$up, and we laugh.

[Bat25]

No bro, you came to the right place. And newies are always welcome to the scene. It's always refreshing to talk with newbs rather than know-it-all's all the time. Soon enough - you'll be |337 yourself.

So you have an XP2400, like I said, look on your board, the model number should be on it. Also, you should be able to see VIA on the sounthbridge chipset if you have a KT133, or KT133a chipset, likewise for the ALI Magic, it will identify it in the sounthbridge chip. I really don't think your board will use an XP2400, but I could be wrong. You may be stuck very close to where your at, or you "might" be able to update your bios and use it. I downloaded 3 of thier bios files (the latest ones) from that site on all 3 respective boards that your may be - and there was not a single "read me" file to list fixes in those bios files. So- who knows what it fixes, or if it would even add new CPU support.


So at this point, my advice would be this. If you have an operating system that is "standalone" IE: a real copy of windows that you can use on another PC. I would just get another motherboard. You can easily get support for that XP2400 for a very reasonable price, in fact - pretty cheap. Here are a couple I would suggest.


Shuttle Motherboard for AMD processors Model AN35N-Ultra (nforce2 based motherboard) $63.00


Shuttle Motherboard for AMD processors, Model AK39N KT400 - also at newegg (VIA chipset based motherboard) $51.00


Both of these board would easily run your XP2400 and they are very reliable boards. I have built with them many times over. If I can help let me know.


Her is a link to the Shuttle motherboard page at newegg. I don't know if you have bought there before, but they give great sevice-

http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduct.asp?submit=manufactory&manufactory=1465&catalog=22&DEPA=1&sortby=14&order=1

[Skip74]

Many thanks Bat for all your help, I really appreciate it, as I know it must have taken some time to type out that reply. And I’m glad you did.

Thanks mate.

[Met-AL]

I'm assuming you have a KK266-R? If so it wont work with Athlons of the T-Bred Core. You need a T-Bird or Palomino core. These are the older cores and are discontinued.

I had a KK266-R, great board in its day. I fried my T-Bird 1.33 and had to buy a new one. I got a XP2000 Palomino Athlon. It worked with it. If you were to research this further, there are posts on www.hardforums.com and Iwill's forums about this. Hard to find but they are there.

By chance if you decide to keep the board and find a Palomino core CPU, your gonna need to move the VIO Voltage jumber to +10%. Also, you will have to reset the PC after turning it on. It will not cold boot with out hitting the reset button. NewEgg still has some of those old Palomino CPU's, but I would suggest getting a new board since you already have the new CPU.

Keep in mind to get some new RAM. That old KK266-R uses PC133 SDRAM and the new boards take DDR ram.

Good Luck, and keep us posted.

[Skip74]

Your right I do have KK266-R, I’m currently toying with the idea of giving the old BIOS a flashing of a life time. Mind you have never untaken such a task and considering my ability to #@$ things up I might have to be very careful here or I might destroy my pride and joy. Could you recommend any kind of monkey see, monkey do, instructions in relation to BIOS flashing. Please keep in mind I make the unfolding of a beach chair look like a technical achievement.

Thanks again.
:)

[Met-AL]

There is gonna be no BIOS that will get that CPU to work on your KK266-R. But I understand how you want to try anything possible to get it to work. One thing to remember, is that when flashing a BIOS, things can go wrong. Backup your stuff. Also, somewhere in the BIOS, there is an option that makes the BIOS write protected. Make sure it's set to "FLASHABLE".

Here's the link to the latest BIOS from IWILL from 10/22/2001: http://www.iwillusa.com/supports/BIOS/kkr1022.exe

Download it and run it. It will extract four files. There is a readme file in there that has detailed instructions on how to do it.

Your gonna need to make a DOS boot disk. You can make a new one from within WinXP by formating a blank one and using the "Create an MS-DOS startup disk".

Copy the four files from for the BIOS to it.

Reboot the PC and boot off the floppy disk.

Run "AWDFLASH.EXE /CC /CD /CP"

Type in the name of the new BIOS file. "KKR1022.BIN"

Press "Y" to save the old BIOS and enter in a name for it. Anything will work.

Type "Y" when it asks you if you want to update the BIOS.

Let it do it's thing and reboot when it finishes. Go into your BIOS and set it up again. Change the option for the BIOS write-protect back to "UNFLASHABLE".

[Bat25]

Yeah, im my experience at, most KT133a boards don't support upper model T-Breds at all. I have a brand new stick of OCZ memory (PC2100 samsung mem onboard and is inside OCZ case with numbers) that would go nicely with your XP2400 should you decide to get a new board. Let us know how it goes :)

[deadkenny]

Originally posted by Skip74
Your right I do have KK266-R, I’m currently toying with the idea of giving the old BIOS a flashing of a life time. Mind you have never untaken such a task and considering my ability to #@$ things up I might have to be very careful here or I might destroy my pride and joy. Could you recommend any kind of monkey see, monkey do, instructions in relation to BIOS flashing. Please keep in mind I make the unfolding of a beach chair look like a technical achievement.

Thanks again.
:)

If it's a hardware issue (e.g. voltage support), then flashing the BIOS isn't going to help. You should first research the BIOS revisions that are available. If a BIOS exists that explicitly says, supports Tbred processors or support for XP2400 (don't believe there was ever a 2400 Pally) then it's an option. Otherwise there's no point, and as you said you'll be risking messing up your system for nothing.

[Skip74]

I’ve had a serious think about things and your all right, I don’t thinks flashing the BIOS will help and I stand a chance of buggering it up. I think I have to face facts, I didn’t do enough research and serves myself right. Does anyone know of a good AMD board with onboard sound and graphics, I’m only going to be using it for general office applications and watching the odd movie. I’m currently looking at a Abit IC7-MAX3 mobo for new gaming set up any views on its quality.

Many thanks again people.
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[deadkenny]

Lot's of good options. For me the integrated video is key, and for that I would go with either an nForce or nForce2 m/b. For the former, the ASUS A7N266-VM would be good for 266Mhz FSB processors. For the later there are many options. ASUS A7N8X-VM is one, but most m/b manufacturers make a m/b using the nForce2 with integrated video. MSI is a good choice if you don't plan on doing anything fancy. You could also save a few $'s by going with one of the older pre Delta (i.e. official 400MHz FSB support) versions.

[Met-AL]

You'll really like the nForce2 boards. I have a ASUS-A7N8X Deluxe. Doesn't have the onboard video, but having all the other stuff onboard is real nice. Saves a bunch of money also. Dont have to buy NIC or soundcard.

All things considered, they are the most part the same. Just different extras like BIOS features and post reporters. Get one made by a good manufacturer and you'll be all set.

Don't forget to buy some RAM. Don't go cheap on the RAM. Get Crucial, Corsair, Kingston or some other name brand ram. Don't need the most expensive stuff, but stay away from the Generic brands. You'll want two sticks so you can run in Dual Channel Mode with the nForce2.

Good luck and happy shopping.