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RayH
10-15-2003, 10:50 PM
China becomes the third nation to put men in space. The marvel isn't in the trip. It's not a technological breakthrough. It's the entire infrastructure needed to accomplish it.

While NASA is scraping for funds, the Chinese are actively bidding for European business in launching private communications satellite!
Billforce
10-15-2003, 10:53 PM
That's because it was funded, organized and accomplished by the Chinese military, not the govt. or a private entity.
cbh
10-15-2003, 11:43 PM
If it is funded and supported by the military, then China can establish a military stronghold in space. For example, a military-based space station or a military satellite-cum-superweapon. Don't tell me that I'm dreaming because China can really accomplish that. If the US wants to challenge China in the space race, I think both of them have a good fight.
mireland
10-15-2003, 11:57 PM
Now, if China could only feed its people..:rolleyes:
cbh
10-16-2003, 12:03 AM
Once the US and China can cooperate, China can get assistance from the US and both countries can propser together.

Not to forget Russia!

Three nations together as one and a triangular alliance is formed. Cool...
Swordfish
10-16-2003, 12:19 AM
there are lots of poor out there, man.
leprechaun_40
10-16-2003, 12:24 AM
Hopefully this'll serve as a wakeup call to NASA and the govt here. We could loose our number one spot if we can't get it together:eek:
Billforce
10-16-2003, 12:34 AM
Originally posted by cbh
If it is funded and supported by the military, then China can establish a military stronghold in space. For example, a military-based space station or a military satellite-cum-superweapon. Don't tell me that I'm dreaming because China can really accomplish that. If the US wants to challenge China in the space race, I think both of them have a good fight.


Sometimes CBH your observations and foresight amaze me. The primary intent for the military to support a space effort is exactly that. They are interested in spying. Get it. They could care less about a commercial enterprise.
cbh
10-16-2003, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Billforce



Sometimes CBH your observations and foresight amaze me. The primary intent for the military to support a space effort is exactly that. They are interested in spying. Get it. They could care less about a commercial enterprise.

Well! At least, you understand what I mean.
RayH
10-16-2003, 09:20 PM
Who needs to spy? The US is giving away all the technology and paying them to take it! With all the manufacturing moving off shore and code writing following what do you call it?
Mm9004
10-16-2003, 09:46 PM
Nah, Clinton just gave it to them. Don't think they did anything on their own.

The reason it's been so long since they made any real progress to speak of is because where there is no freedm there is no initiative to progress. No desire to invent. So they cannot succeed unless the wall of Communism is broken.:(

The leaders of the chinese Government will never be interested in progress, only power. Though they may progress, they will have nothing to call their own work. And that is the difference between a world superpower and a hitch-hicker.
cbh
10-17-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by Mm9004
Nah, Clinton just gave it to them. Don't think they did anything on their own.

The reason it's been so long since they made any real progress to speak of is because where there is no freedm there is no initiative to progress. No desire to invent. So they cannot succeed unless the wall of Communism is broken.:(

The leaders of the chinese Government will never be interested in progress, only power. Though they may progress, they will have nothing to call their own work. And that is the difference between a world superpower and a hitch-hicker.

That's why I despise communism and feels sad when KMT was pushed to Taiwan in the Chinese Civil War.

Sad...

:(
RayH
10-17-2003, 08:52 AM
China is more of a modern day confucian country than a communist state. Singapore doesn't exactly practice democracy as it is in the United States. Singapore jump started its economy from a desolate jungle to a modern country through a lot of benovolent dictatorship.

China is not a new country. China views itself as an old country. As such, it is patient. The United States is a new country with a short attention span.

The arrogance of the United States is going to collapse us. The national attitude of the US is that we are so advanced, no country could ever catch up! We keep looking for spies to destroy us militarily.

The problem isn't that we are sending our technology overseas. The problem is that we aren't keeping any of it for ourselves.
RayH
10-17-2003, 03:29 PM
Anyway, China's rocket program got started by a Chinese who helped develop NASA:

In a nod to the space program's roots, CCTV also showed 92-year-old Tsien Hsue-shen, the reclusive founder of China's rocketry program, exulting in Shenzhou 5's success.

The Chinese-born Tsien, a co-founder of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, was driven from the United States in 1955 during anti-communist fervor and returned to work for his homeland.

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031017_1146.html

Goes to show. Watch out who you call names!