And Your Verdict Would Have Been ?

[fancyf]

If you would've be part of the jury, now knowing this story, would
you have chosen death penalty or life without parole ?

This article is not new (I had lost trace of the website since they had move to a new adress) but still.
I just read this and it left me wondering.............

My position on this is pretty strong but that's not why I posted it.
I just want to know what other ppl would have done being in the jury NOW.

[EDIT] I don't want to start any political debate, flame war or anything like this ... I'm not sure if this is appropriate for community so if a MOD sees this and think it's not then I'm sorry... and please delete the thread.

I just think it IS a "community" social issue...

Sorry it's a bit long



Federal Government

Louis Jones (Federal – IN)
March 18, 2003

The United States is scheduled to execute Louis Jones, a black man, March 18, for the 1995 murder of Tracie Joy McBride in San Angelo, Texas. This pending federal execution – just the third in the modern era of capital punishment – is set for March 18 at the U.S. Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana. The only two previous executions by the U.S. government since 1976 – Timothy McVeigh and Juan Raul Garza – took place within an 8-day period in June 2001.

Jones bludgeoned the 19-year-old U.S. Army private to death with a tire iron after abducting her at gunpoint at Goodfellow Air Force Base on Feb. 18, 1995. Police investigators found evidence of sexual assault after Jones confessed to the murder and led them to McBride’s body, which was under a bridge approximately 20 miles outside of San Angelo.

Prior to the McBride murder, Jones served for 22 years in the U.S. Army Airborne Rangers. He rose through the ranks to reach the very top of enlisted personnel, and retired with an honorable discharge in 1993 as a master Sergeant. He led his platoon in the U.S. invasion of Grenada in 1983, and fought in the Gulf War in 1991, where he was exposed to nerve gas and brain toxins. Medical evidence now reveals that the toxins Jones was exposed to in the Gulf cause damage to deep brain structures including the basal ganglia, a problem that often results in aggressive, abusive, and violent behavior.

The link between exposure to dangerous nerve gas in the Gulf War and damage to deep brain structures had not yet been made when Jones went to trial. Considering this newly discovered medical evidence (on top of the other mitigating circumstances of the case, including the fact that he suffered physical and sexual abuse as a child), the United States should recognize the horrifying effects of Gulf War Syndrome and commute his sentence to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Since the murder, Jones has accepted full responsibility for the murder and repeatedly expressed his remorse. He offered a significant amount of mitigating evidence during the penalty phase of his trial, but the jury voted for the death penalty regardless. Two of the jurors claimed afterward that the judge’s instructions were unclear, and that given proper instructions concerning its options, the jury would have given Jones a sentence of life without parole instead of death. In 1999, an appeal regarding those jury instructions reached the U.S Supreme Court, which voted 5-4 to uphold the sentence.

The federal government should recognize the vicious side effects of war and treat Jones with more compassion. He suffered severe brain damage as a result of his service to this country in the Gulf War, and executing him for a crime linked to that damage shows blatant disrespect for veterans and the problems they face in their post-war lives. Please write President George W. Bush and request clemency for Louis Jones.


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Louis Jones Jr. was pronounced dead at 7:08AM (EST), March 18, 2003.

Federal inmate Louis Jones, aged 53, was housed on the Federal Death Row Unit at the United States Penitentiary in Terre Haute, Indiana. He was scheduled to be executed in the chamber at that facility on March 18, 2003, and his petition for clemency was denied by President George W. Bush on Monday, March 17. 2003.

This execution was the third by the United States government since 1963.

Mr. Jones, who was black, was the first African-American to be executed by the United States government under capital punishment since 1950. The last African-American executed under a federally imposed sentence of death was Eugene Lamoore, who was hanged at a United States jail in Juneau, Alaska, on April 14, 1950.

At the time of his death, Louis Jones was the oldest Federal Death Row inmate. He was killed two weeks after his 53rd birthday (March 4, 1950). Louis Jones had no prior criminal record, and he was a decorated United States Veteran who retired as a Master Sergeant from the United States Army after over twenty years of service. He was a model inmate, working at various odd jobs on death row.

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[Swordfish]

ok i will disconnect first and then read it.

seems a pretty long read.

[j.m@talk]

Another case of murder, being delt with by murder,

Capital punishment has never worked as a deterrent, :rolleyes:

Reprehensible, utterly Reprehensible, :mad:

Land of the free? Freedom for all?.............. Hmm it would apear that some are more equal than others yet again :(

I guess they will attempt be-heading in the town square next
:rolleyes:

[Cyan]

Capital punishment wouldn't stop me from doing something terrible (If I was gonna), Jail time would.

[cwin]

im not gonna read that! :eek:

[NJEnviroguy]

Land of the free? Freedom for all?.............. Hmm it would apear that some are more equal than others yet again

The day a child molester, rapist, or murderer is considered an equal to me, you and every other relatively normal person on this planet is a sad day indeed. I listen and I try to understand the opinion of not having a death penalty, I really do. I respect life and that is the crux of the situation.

However, when I see families and friends after they have lost someone who was maliciously taken from them, I have no remorse for the criminal. Sick or not, mentally or physically, they are a menace to society.

He was a model inmate, working at various odd jobs on death row.


:rolleyes: Add "moral inmate" to Bovon's list of oxymorons.

[mireland]

I am for the death penalty..I will leave it at that and ask that you respect my position(You can disagree with it all you want however)

:(

[chubtub]

I would go for life in prison, not death. If it is actually true that their was brain damage.


I guess they will attempt be-heading in the town square next
Now if they had that it would work.
:D

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland
I am for the death penalty..I will leave it at that and ask that you respect my position(You can disagree with it all you want however)

:(

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/kick.gif :D

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com


http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/kick.gif :D

that's WORSE then the death penalty..LMAO:D

[fancyf]

"The process is as cold and calculated as any murder ever committed. Call it what you will, killing to teach that killing is wrong is insanity, pure and simple." David Paul Hammer

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by fancyf
"The process is as cold and calculated as any murder ever committed. Call it what you will, killing to teach that killing is wrong is insanity, pure and simple." David Paul Hammer

Agreed "By JM" :t

[Swordfish]

Death penalty should be BANNED for ever....

[j.m@talk]

Those of us who reside in polite society did that years ago :p

[NJEnviroguy]

"The process is as cold and calculated as any murder ever committed. Call it what you will, killing to teach that killing is wrong is insanity, pure and simple." David Paul Hammer

Haha, that coming from a guy that's on death row.

[fancyf]

Well I think it is still cold and insane NJEnviroguy and i'm not on death row! and by reading his writings that guy makes more sense than a lot of ppl I've read here...

But if the goal was to teach criminals right from wrong then there might not be such a thing as capital punishment.

killing someone who killed someone can't be view as killing cause it's justified!

death penalty is based on pure revenge... ppl can try to justify it but it will always be killing and will not bring the criminality down either...

If I would based my kids education on such principle then each time they would get hurt they would be entitled to hurt at their turn. If someone steals from them then they could go back and steal too and it would be OK.

sigh...

Anyway the point wasn't to debate death penalty but express views on what you would have done if part of the jury knowing the facts NOW in that particular case......

[j.m@talk]

If you were on the Jury too F@ncy I wouldn't know what was going on ...... Cos I'd be too busy blowing kisses to you :-@ :-@ :-@

[fancyf]

funny jm...

[j.m@talk]

Such a cutie ;)
































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[mireland]

Ok, so my position is unpopular..I love America :( :eek:

[j.m@talk]

could just exterminate all convicts :rolleyes:

Ohh & mireland too :t

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
If you were on the Jury too F@ncy I wouldn't know what was going on ...... Cos I'd be too busy blowing kisses to you :-@ :-@ :-@

If she were on the Jury I'm sure I'd get a Life sentence automaticaly!! :(

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland


If she were on the Jury I'm sure I'd get a Life sentence automaticaly!! :(

hi hi hi ....................... Goooooooooo F@ncy ......... Hang im high :D

[Strawbs]

Thou shalt not kill!

on a brighter note, he suffers no more.

[muchmark]

Capital punishment and abortion are two things I can never make up my mind on, for some reason I can see both sides of the arguments.

ps. A girl I went to school with was raped and murdered in our village she lived just three house away from mine she was fifteen at the time. They could never have been any mitigating reason for that crime ever! I was very happy when the culprit was hanged.

[RampageIII]

"Sometimes you just have to thin the herd." Dennis Miller

I probably wouldn't say that if it were my brother. Don't know.:(

[j.m@talk]

Abortion is a medical procedure, who ever got uptight about the appendix when you have those taken out?

In order to be alive you first have to be born.......... Its kinda the way it goes :)

[fancyf]

thanks chubtub... I think you're the only one who really answered the original question...

22 years of service... honorable discharged, master Sergeant...
no prior criminal records.. and then this happens...

Medical research proved that "toxins" he was exposed to were brain damaging causing violent behaviour. All this for serving for his country... but what help did he get once they found out that little detail? and how many of them is there with the same problem due to the 91 gulf war...

why is it that the court couldn't just change its verdict even if he had been trialed (sp) before they discovered it ?
that's what I don't understand

But a few minutes before the end the decision was of a SINGLE MAN... GWB...

I would have given him Life without parole... AND medical help

[mireland]

I think if you kill someone ON PURPOSE, whether you are mentally ill or whatever than I have no problems with the death penalty. It's WAY to easy to blame other things instead of dealing with the responsibilty yourself..:mad:


I need to go visit one of J.M's silly threads for a nice change of pace http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/tornado.gif

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland

I need to go visit one of J.M's silly threads for a nice change of pace

Ahh service with a smile :t

Hang on, Silly threads :mad: How dare he :D

[fancyf]

Oh mireland... oh mireland

I'm sure a guy who spends his entire remaining life in jail IS paying the price of his actions and will have enough "free" time to think about and face what he has done..

but hey if one day you have a son/cousin/nephew that turns wrong then I'm sure you'll be happy to be in front row on his execution date! (sarcasm)

[mireland]

Originally posted by fancyf
Oh mireland... oh mireland

I'm sure a guy who spends his entire remaining life in jail IS paying the price of his actions and will have enough "free" time to think about and face what he has done..

but hey if one day you have a son/cousin/nephew that turns wrong then I'm sure you'll be happy to be in front row on his execution date! (sarcasm)

I respect your views on this, however my stance hasn't changed. Yes, I'd feel the same if it WERE my son/cousin/nephew. I don't consider jail punishment..They get free room and board, free meals and treated better than people who just lost their jobs. Meanwhile the family and/or friends have to sit there and watch this guy live off their taxes..
I must stick to my guns on this issue. You may not like me for my stance but at least you can say he sticks with what he believes.:t

[fancyf]

Originally posted by mireland
Yes, I'd feel the same if it WERE my son/cousin/nephew....
I must stick to my guns on this issue. You may not like me for my stance but at least you can say he sticks with what he believes.:t We all have our own beleifs...... I knew some ppl would be "for it" when I posted this thread. I wasn't looking to debate anything.


Anyways thanks to everyone who replied.

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[Billforce]

A no brainer for me, because I don't believe in Capitol Punishment for any reason. If the state kills you, they are no different than the killer.

[genesound]

I don't really like either option. I tend to internalize these sorta scenarios, with my supposedly rational, sane, stable (ha!) current state of mind.

Now if I were to suffer brain dammage in the service to my country to the point of inevitable threat of violence to my countrymen whom I risked everything for, and it could be proven, then I'd prefer a military execution as soon as possible. Put my lame *** in front of a firing squad, and give me an honorable military interment. End of story.

There's nothing to be gained, no lessons to be learned, no corrections to be performed. Just kill me now, and fly the flags at half mast for an hour. :mad:

[mireland]

Originally posted by fancyf
We all have our own beleifs...... I knew some ppl would be "for it" when I posted this thread. I wasn't looking to debate anything.


Anyways thanks to everyone who replied.

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I wasn't trying to sound defensive or be combative(sic), I hope you didn't take it that way...

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[ukulele]

Personally, I don't like the death penalty but it sounds to me like this guy chose it as a remedy for his problem. Karma has a paradoxical way of balancing things out.

[j.m@talk]

f@ncy 1 mireland nil :D

[strat1]

Another case of murder, being delt with by murder,Capital punishment has never worked as a deterrent, :rolleyes: Reprehensible, utterly Reprehensible, :mad: IMHO it is not about deterring crime, but cold, hard Justice! Murderers have given up their RIGHT to life in our my world and death is what they deserve.

Land of the free? Freedom for all?.............. Hmm it would appear that some are more equal than others yet again :( [/B] What does that have to do with ANYTHING? Murderers have given up their right to freedom. Have them go live with you and your kids or parents. What about the rights of the Victim-- where are you on that?

Medical research proved that "toxins" he was exposed to were brain damaging causing violent behaviour

Sounds like they are trying to make Excusses-- good Lawyering

A no brainer for me, because I don't believe in Capitol Punishment for any reason. If the state kills you, they are no different than the killer. We disagree, but we are true to our beliefs - Can’t fault you for that!

I'm sure a guy who spends his entire remaining life in jail IS paying the price of his actions and will have enough "free" time to think about and face what he has done..

Please-- you have no idea how it feels to spend your life in Jail, be Murdered or have your daughter Murdered and rapped—So stop with the “I am sure” stuff. They are alive, watching TV, breathing air and I hope being rapped repeatedly by his cellmate Tyrone!
Why are we treating the Criminals like the Victim

[NJEnviroguy]

IMHO it is not about deterring crime, but cold, hard Justice! Murderers have given up their RIGHT to life in our my world and death is what they deserve.

Good point. The justice that is served is just as brutal and pointed (only word I could think of) as the crime they committed. I know its not the greatest of reasons, but I am sure it is one that deserves some merit. And that is with the current state of how our country is economically and how jails are becoming more and more institutions of crime as opposed to punishment... death penalties should be utilized more often.

Again, its not a strong argument, but none the less, that is an important view to see. Deterents from crime have to start at the most personal of levels. Friends, families, upbringings, etc. However, when those fail or if they nonexistant, then it should fall to society's charge. And if that should fail, and society has incarcerated the person to nth degree, there comes a point when you can only do so much. And that is where the death penalty comes in.

[fancyf]

Anger, Revenge.....
That's the only motivation that ppl for the death penalty have...

I don't need to be locked up to understand and know strat1
and yes I'M SURE....

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
f@ncy 1 mireland nil :D

sometimes I just CAN'T win:( http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/sinkinbed.gif

[j.m@talk]

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[strat1]

Originally posted by fancyf
Anger, Revenge.....
That's the only motivation that ppl for the death penalty have...

I don't need to be locked up to understand and know strat1
and yes I'M SURE....

Punishment is the real reason- do not misconstrue my words.

I will say this another way, if someone raped and killed my 10 year old girl or boy —I would NOT want that person sitting in jail for the next 30-40 years watching HBO, going to the Gym, having family visitors, playing on the internet, having sex with other inmates—All of this and MY tax dollars are paying for it. WRONG! And if you tell me otherwise, than you are a more forgiving person than I!

IF Prison was like a Hard Labor Camp, where the prisoners were forced to work 40+ hours a week for the rest of their miserable lives – I might feel differently!

Rules have been made for a reason-- maybe we should start to follow them regarless of your skin color or Price tag attached your Lawyer.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by strat1


Punishment is the real reason- do not misconstrue my words.



Ahh Sphericals :rolleyes:

[fancyf]

And if you tell me otherwise, than you is a more forgiving person than I! yea I am......

You call it punishment.. I call it anger and revenge... killing will always be killing.

Money should not be the first issue to consider here. Yea maybe time in prison should be spent differently... gov should rethink everything. I agree. BUT it's not like they are on a Hawaiin vacation here..

I read so many things on this subject, I've seen both sides of story.. from a victim or a convict point of view.

If you only stick to, they are ALL enjoying it.. ALL laughing at OUR face and they are having a GREAT time with MY money then yea I can understand why you feel that way.

So I think that since it's so hard not to get in any debate on this subject, might be a good idea to close this thread now.

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[genesound]

fancy, having re-read your original post numerous times and also having done a little research on this matter, umm, i think the whole matter is complex. But to try to address your question...If you would've be part of the jury, now knowing this story, would you have chosen death penalty or life without parole ?The jury is compelled to base their verdict only on the evidence as presented at the trial, and how it relates to the laws involved, not on media or public opinion. So if 12 rational people came to the conclusion of of the death penalty, I suppose i have to support them. I have not and will not read the transcript of the trial, i'm just taking it on faith that they made a just decision.

As for whether or not i support capital punishment, there are too many what ifs to just make a blanket statement. Like what if this person had committed 50 of these attrocities? What if it was my kid? or yours?

Also I think our prison system sucks. I absolutely think this "and I hope being rapped (sp) repeatedly by his cellmate Tyrone!" bs is wrong. I believe prisoners should be made to live by the same values that citizens do. If they can't, put em in the whole. Forever. But that's a whole other matter, excuse the pun.

[strat1]

Originally posted by fancyf
So I think that since it's so hard not to get in any debate on this subject, might be a good idea to close this thread now.
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That statement would have been better served if you did not debate your side for 3 paragraphs and then ask for the post to be closed.
killing will always be killing SO I guess you think that killing is never justified and why can’t we all just get along? I live in the real world with bad people- People whom deserve to die- a world where good men women and children are murdered and raped. A world where cops and our Armed forces risk there lives every day to stop theses bad people.

I truly wish I could go through life with Blinders on- but I do not. I wish I thought people have an excess for there actions and should be given a 10 or 11th chance. If we were like that, we would all be speaking German, Russian, or Japanese


Money should not be the first issue to consider here. Yea maybe time in prison should be spent differently... gov should rethink everything. I agree. BUT it's not like they are on a Hawaiin vacation here..

$$ is not the issue--- PUNISHMENT IS!

If you only stick to, they are ALL enjoying it.. ALL laughing at OUR face and they are having a GREAT time with MY money then yea I can understand why you feel that way.
I never said that, now did I ?

[genesound]

Also, as for the 'new evidence' of the nerve gas brain damage, it was reviewed, and Louis Jones Jr. wasn't the only one exposed to it. I think perhaps if his affliction caused him to go bezerk, we'd have a rash of these occurances and would be well aware of it by now.

And I've read that even in his finest hour he wasn't all that straight up of a guy.

As for the government 'covering up' exposures to damaging agents, and even doctrines in 'police actions' and war, this is a major problem that i do think we need to address and be held accountable for. If our military personnel are trained to be too dangerous to be released back into the public, or are exposed to chemicals, or years of moral decaying brutality, our military (We The People) needs to take care of them. This is perhaps where we failed Louis.

[fizur2002]

here is something to chew on, and i know this is valid from the work i do. I am a bail bondsman so bear with me. The average inmate will cost approximatly 30 to 60,000 dollars a year on average. Where as it only cost about $20 to have him lethally injected. Now do you want a to pay to keep a known serial rapist/murder alive in jail who is living better there than he was at home, for free? I am not going to throw my opinion out here because i dont have enough space to type it all.

[fancyf]

you have some good points there genesound.

I haven't read the transcript either but I was just trying to know what ppl thought of this article, what they would have done ;
I think I have a good idea now ;)

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strat1, I did say that

"...since it's so hard not to get in any debate on this subject might be a good idea to close this thread now."

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Originally posted by fizur2002
I am not going to throw my opinion out here because i dont have enough space to type it all.

Oh you already did .. :r

[j.m@talk]

You tell em babe! :-@ :-@ :-@

[fizur2002]

Hey JM try and touch your neck with your hands. If you keep on that path you are with fancy, then in a while you wont be able to. If ya know what i mean. Someone in here is bound to get it.:D

[mireland]

Originally posted by fizur2002
Hey JM try and touch your neck with your hands. If you keep on that path you are with fancy, then in a while you wont be able to. If ya know what i mean. Someone in here is bound to get it.:D

:confused: by "get it" do you mean as in a joke or as in someone is gonna do bodily harm to another...


let me say again: :confused:

[j.m@talk]

Ferked if I know :p










***Shakes Head & wanders off***














Kin Looneys ;)

[genesound]

:confused: me too... WHAT??? :confused:

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
Ferked if I know :p




***Shakes Head & wanders off***



Kin Looneys ;)

as much as I hate to defend you :D I have no idea where his comment came from, well left field actually.:p

[fizur2002]

It was a joke, i was making a comment that JM seemed to have his head shoved up Fancyf's ***** so far that his neck had dissapeared.

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland


as much as I hate to defend you :D I have no idea where his comment came from, well left field actually.:p

Good to see there is honour amongst idiots Mireland ;) :t

[genesound]

Originally posted by fizur2002
It was a joke, i was making a comment that JM seemed to have his head shoved up Fancyf's ***** so far that his neck had dissapeared. Well i don't think that was appropriate or funny.... BZZZT.... wrong answer :eek:

[fancyf]

Originally posted by fizur2002
It was a joke, i was making a comment that JM seemed to have his head shoved up Fancyf's ***** so far that his neck had dissapeared.

Now that your "joke" (?) is over, you can dispose... thank you

:r :r :r

[mireland]

Originally posted by fizur2002
It was a joke, i was making a comment that JM seemed to have his head shoved up Fancyf's ***** so far that his neck had dissapeared.

Well I'm sure FancyF will just be ENTHRALLED with this comment.:rolleyes:

lol! FancyF got her post in before mine...

You GO girl!!!

[j.m@talk]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[j.m@talk]

You lot enjoy my chainsaw thread! :t

[fancyf]

Nah jm http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/peace2.gif

I only bite on fun occasion....

[j.m@talk]

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[fizur2002]

by the way, no offense to either of you, just a bit of texas humor.

[fonz]

Kill him. He serves no useful purpose in society. He would be a treat to anyone if he were ever released(which in Texas would never have happened). We need to stop treating the criminals like they are victims. They have committed brutal crimes & then show remorse. Is this a reason for life in prison sentence? No!!! Where was the remorse before the murder was committed? These criminals plead guilty only when they know they are going to be convicted & cut a deal for life in prison instead of execution. They are showing that they value life, their own life. They have no regard for anyone elses life except their own. Kill them all & relieve the tax burden from us law abiding citizens.

Pete

[j.m@talk]

oof it's dark in here...........

echo .......................... echo ;)

[fancyf]

are we allowed sarcasm? please let me use sarcasm pleease pleease

:D

ah well...

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[mireland]

Originally posted by fancyf
are we allowed sarcasm? please let me use sarcasm pleease pleease

:D

ah well...

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now Why would sarcasm be allowed here..:rolleyes:

Oh the irony that statement..:D

[j.m@talk]

I don't have a sarcastic bone in my body :p

Lots of sarky skin tho :D

[maje87c]

Originally posted by fonz
Kill him. He serves no useful purpose in society. ... Kill them all & relieve the tax burden from us law abiding citizens.

Pete

Taken out of context to some point, I know. Still, that these statements open and close your post frightens me. Why is it people have to serve a useful purpose in society to be alive? Should we kill all of the mentally ill too?

While I don't like the idea of letting an evil, cold, calculating murderer/rapist off the hook, I do have a problem with murder as a response.

In the case mentioned on the first page, I don't think it was right to have killed him. Couldn't we at least have gathered more evidence on the 'toxin' to at least prove his guilt?

Personally, I don't like the idea of state sponsored revenge. Too many death penalties, in my opinion, have been state sponsored revenge.

[fonz]

Originally posted by maje87c


Taken out of context to some point, I know. Still, that these statements open and close your post frightens me. Why is it people have to serve a useful purpose in society to be alive? Should we kill all of the mentally ill too?

While I don't like the idea of letting an evil, cold, calculating murderer/rapist off the hook, I do have a problem with murder as a response.

In the case mentioned on the first page, I don't think it was right to have killed him. Couldn't we at least have gathered more evidence on the 'toxin' to at least prove his guilt?

Personally, I don't like the idea of state sponsored revenge. Too many death penalties, in my opinion, have been state sponsored revenge.

dude, get with the program. We are talking about murderers. Most mentally ill people aren't a threat to anyone except themselves. If your mentally ill & you are proven to violence, like murderung, execute them too. Why wait & see the studies about his illness. Would that cure him? No. He would do the same thing. If he just killed her that's one thing, but he raped her first. He new what he wanted & took it along with her life. He didn't want to get caught. That's a sane person to me.

[genesound]

Well you better hope you never get framed for one

[j.m@talk]

I've been blamed for a death before :(

It wasn't pretty :(

Thankfully it wasn't really my fault either )-|

But for some ppl that just aint enough :mad:

[genesound]

Egad, that must have been awful

[fonz]

Originally posted by genesound
Well you better hope you never get framed for one

I live in a civilized state. Not a concern for me.

[genesound]

If it was all that civilized, there wouldn't be any murders or frame-ups

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by genesound
Egad, that must have been awful

I can say now (Just a motoring thing) I was parked {Broken down}

but it was a case of if you wern't there........it wouldn't of happened :(

But I don't dwell on that,


To be honest I saw the humorous side of that too :rolleyes:
Still it takes all sorts

+ I must keep my stress bustin tools handy at all times :)

[chubtub]

Kill him. He serves no useful purpose in society. ... Kill them all & relieve the tax burden from us law abiding citizens.

Right now it is cheaper to keep them in prison for life than on death row. They have access to tons of lawyers and submit idea after idea to the system on why they should not die.

[j.m@talk]

Frikkin' MEAT HEADS

No concept of Justice :rolleyes:

[mireland]

maybe it's time this THREAD was killed...:(

[fancyf]

thought I said that before too...

jm be quiet! :r :p ;)

[j.m@talk]

Baby SHOUT @ ME! :p :p :p :p

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
Baby SHOUT @ ME! :p

Dude, you are Soooooo pathetic..besides: I SAW HER FIRST!!

Err, just Kidding Fancy...(well maybe :D )

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/inlove3.gif

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by mireland


I SAW HER FIRST!!




http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/smashfreakB.gif :D

[genesound]

:rolleyes: so it's come to that :rolleyes:

[j.m@talk]

;)

[fancyf]

Originally posted by genesound
:rolleyes: so it's come to that :rolleyes: what did you expect from jm and mireland?? :p

this thread was officially pronounced dead @ 9:07 pm..

:r

[mireland]

Originally posted by fancyf
what did you expect from jm and mireland?? :p

this thread was officially pronounced dead @ 9:07 pm..

:r


Hey, it's friday and I feel like acting giddy okay???http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/woohoo.gif

[j.m@talk]

I'm sober :p




















































Well sort of! :r

[mireland]

Just imagine Daffy duck doing this:http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/woohoo.gif

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/woohoo.gif



http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/woohoo.gif

[j.m@talk]

:eek: