Radeon 9800 non-pro & 9800 se

[hurtz]

Hi all :t ,

I plan to upgrade my vid-card. Currently I own a Radeon 9000pro and can't complain about it.
Is is a huge different from 9800 non-pro vs 9800 se ? it's about $50 different in price from same manufacture (Sapphire 9800 non-pro is about $250, while SE version is $200, both are OEM).

And what about Radeon 9500 ? I heard some card can be softmoded to 9700 ?

Thanks in advance for the advise

[MJCfromCT]

...i don't speak from experience (Nvidia fan) but i do have friends who own the 9500 pro, they have nothing but positives to say abou them...the have the Built By ATI brand ones, if that makes any difference to you...i'd say go with the 9500 pro...its a great card for less money, and you can do some pretty crazy stuff to it :) As i said, i'm on the NVidia side of the camp, so maybe some other members can post more about what this card is truly capable of.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

The only difference between the 9800np and Pro is clock speeds, the 9800 is about 5% slower, but still has the full 9800Pro feature set.

The 9800 SE however is slower than both as it only has four renderign pipelines, half that of the 9800 and 9800 Pro, which will cause quite a performance loss

If like me you cant afford a 9800 Pro but want its performance, pick up a Sapphire (must be Sapphire because of the RAM used) 9800 non-pro which go for about 100quid less than the 9800 Pro, these can then be soft modded to full 9800 Pro status with a simple BIOS flash

--Jakk:t

[Qvark]

Bigjakk.... i'm currently looking at 2 cards and can't decide.

1. HIS Excalibur 9800
2. Sapphire Atlantis Value 9800

I called the shop that sells the Atlantis board and asked what the "value" stands for (SE/fewer pipelines etc.) he couldn't answer.

The reason im asking this, is, Sapphires hp shows no "value" card. Do you know if Sapphire has made a "SE" version of the 9800 board. I would really hate to get one of these.

The box shot of the card in the webshop is blue/grey/black and reads Sapphire Atlantis 9800. The same as yours??

[Bigjakkstaffa]

http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?action=info&p=38495&t=&l=&AvdID=1&CatID=&GrpID=&s=sr

Like that, or in a smaller box with a similar image if its an OEM version. AFAIK theres only the Sapphire cards that can be modded as it os only they which have Samsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/2.3ns ram needed to perform the mod

--Jakk:t

[Qvark]

It's excatly the same. Is that the one you have ??

Powercolor uses hynix 2.5 modules.....read it somewhere...

[Qvark]

Oh..forgot

http://www.shg.dk/htmlfiles/infobox.asp?varenr=340525&kat=

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Yup, im using the OEM version of that card (its a couple of quid - literally - cheaper).

The cards need to be Samsung memory for the mod and AFAIK only sapphire use Samsung

--Jakk:t

[rsfnatik]

Avoid the 9800SE... even the 9500Pro has 8 pipelines. Go with the 9800 non-pro, the SE sacrifices too much. Anyone find any benchmarks comparing the 9800SE and 9600Pro? Just curious...

[hurtz]

I guess I'll go for 9800 then, I'll do some researchs in internet to find the reviews.

Anybody know where's the site for radeon 9800 BIOS flash to be able to become 9800pro ?
Appreciate the help...:t :t


thanks.:t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

http://4peeps.com/ivb/index.php?showtopic=4204

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?threadid=33695811

and

http://www.sysopt.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143644

--Jakk:t

[hurtz]

Thanks a lot BigJakk:t :t

[ConfusedAlien]

lol i caught jakk repeating posts!!!!:eek: :eek:

yea, pick up a sapphire 9800NP and *blink* now you have 9800P!

i wonder is any sapphire 9500NP are still available...arrggg


by the way, about the difference, let me just say that i have a geforce 256. thats the first 256bit processing vid card nvidia made. I just tried out a ati 8500 and 9800pro. I wanted to cry.

[hurtz]

I finally ordered a sapphire radeon 9800, can't wait to test it.

ConfusedAllien, try this link for radeon 9500np 'L' shaped memory.
Hopefully they sell the same thing as picture shown ($155.1)

http://www.colorcase.com/1018923.html




Good Luck.:t :t

[memize]

From what i've been reading recently, it is quite possible to unlock 8 Pipelines on a 9800 SE

[hurtz]

I finally get my 9800np.
3Dmark2001 about 14k
3Dmark3003 about 4600

Boy, this card generates a lot of heat, the heatsink is hot to the touch, even if it's idle, although I'm using big Antec Performance+ case with case fans here and there.

The memory are Samsung 322, K4D263238E - GC33. Can anybody tell me how fast are they ?2.8, 3.0 or 3.3 ns?
Rage3D tweaker post core/mem as 325/290 mhz.
I havent flash the bios to 9800pro, maybe later when I know the memory speed.

thanks in advance for the info. :t :t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

its the 3.3ns like mine, dont owrry, it should be abel to do 9800Pro speed with the flash, though you'll struggle to get much extra out of it on top of that

--Jakk:t

[hurtz]

Finally I flash it to 9800pro;)
3dmark2003 5391
3dmark2001 13k (lower than 9800np ??):confused: :confused: ;

core/mem 378/337.5 mhz
I haven't tried anything higher than this.


thanks a lot for the help BigJakk:D

[Bigjakkstaffa]

No problem :t

--Jakk:t

[yymmdd]

hey guys:t :

it seems Sapphire 9800 is great. How about Gygabyte, FIC or PowerColor? Are they also good??

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Depends on the ram they use, for the mod it needs to be Samsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/3.3ns stuff and AFAIK Sapphire are the only cards with it

Gigabyte aint too bad as long as you arent overclocking (though a bit can be aqueezed from the core) and i woudl imagine the FIC+Powercolour are similar.

--Jakk:t

[yymmdd]

Bigjakkstaffa wrote:

Depends on the ram they use, for the mod it needs to be
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Samsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/3.3ns stuff and AFAIK Sapphire are the only
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
cards with it


Hey BigjakK::t

Could you explain this to me more detail? Why Sumsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/3.3ns stuff so important? What is the mod?

Thanks:t

[ComPooTer]

the memory is important is because of their rated speeds and what they can handle, the faster the better. and..........the mod is flashing the bios on the sapphire 9800

[forgiveforget]

ok, say i get a 9800 np, and that radclocker program. how do you tell how much speed to go up to in both catergories? memory speed and core. because theres 2 variables, the trial and error approach seems like it would suck..hah, just wondering

[yymmdd]

:t

You mean if the core is the same. it woould be faster with faster memories. In other words, the fps is higher.

So, if the price of these video cards are the same, I should choose one with faster memories. Is this right?? :confused:

[Bigjakkstaffa]

...your complicatign yourself and getting yourself (and probably others) tripped over on your words.

All you need to be sure of is that you get a card with Samsung RAM, hence go for the Sapphire 9800 Atlantis, as its the only one i know of that has the stuff, then do the mod. This will put you at r9800 Pro stock, from where you can additionally overclock using radclocker via the 'trial and error' method for furthur performance.

People just seem to liek to make things complicated for themselves

--Jakk:t

[jamil5454]

anyone know of a 9800SE review? i wanna see how performs against a radeon9500/pro. also, does anyone know of one they unlocked to the full 8 pipelines sucessfully? how much performance does that gain? ive heard you can unlock a 9800SE to a 9800 pro!

[Bigjakkstaffa]

does anyone know of one they unlocked to the full 8 pipelines sucessfully? how much performance does that gain? ive heard you can unlock a 9800SE to a 9800 pro!

It's a VERY VERY hit and miss affair and has been known to totally screw the card up on occassion.

Again you'll want a card with Samsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/3.3ns RAM if you do try and mod the SE

--Jakk:t

[Someone Stupid]

ATI doesn't even make them (at least not by their website), so they obviously are some bad chips in those cards that ATI doesn't want to be directly associated with until yields improve. SE's are essentially a way to get the most out of a yield. The gpu might be dying with 8 pipelines running, but with 4 it can squeeze by.

[ocelot]

Is it possible that there are different models of sapphire atlantis 9800 because the versions I found got all the Infineon RAM.


LOOK HERE:

http://www.norskit.de/cgi-nord/preise.cgi?IDU=a7763ab484e1612d3de61ecce8e9d4a66e4 3ed91d295da3f478d5d3b1a66788c1848606b2e7fb6e4f78e2 810ffd09d84e083&pi=-1&pinr=8317&piname='Sapphire+128MB+ATI+Radeon+9800+Retail'

And by the way what is AFAIK??

[philholt10]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa


It's a VERY VERY hit and miss affair and has been known to totally screw the card up on occassion.

Again you'll want a card with Samsung 2.0/2.8/3.0/3.3ns RAM if you do try and mod the SE

--Jakk:t

The 9800se comes with eiter 128 or 256bit memm speed it is possible to softmod both I have found the Powercolor cards to be the easiest. The peformance of the softmod 128 bit cards is just below the that of the 9700 nonpro In the uk you can pick them up for about £110 which when softmodded is a fast card for not much cash. Only about half the cards I have tried have not had artifacts so it really is pot luck

[Thomthus]

OMGGGGGGGG i new to this an even i know.

1) It's about 35% of the radeon 9800 se series which have all 8 pipeline which work but are disabled.
2) no bios flash is needed, just a driver and patch from a web site i will give u if u email me and ask ;) (thomthus@hotmail.com)
3) u cannot wreck your card as it is software related and if all 8 pipelines arent in working order you just have to install some new drivers.
4) OEM and Retail versions work.
5)(BTW 9500 softmodding is added here too)

9500NP RED PCB L shaped memory 4 pipes 256bit Turns into 9700 NP

9500NP RED PCB I shaped memory 4 pipes 128bit Turns into 9500 PRO

9500NP BLACK PCB L shaped memory 4 pipes 256bit Turns into 9700 NP

9500NP BLACK PCB I shaped memory 4 pipes 128 bit Turns into 9500 PRO

9500NP 64MB 4 pipes 128 bit Turns into 9500 PRO

9500 PRO 8 pipes 128 bit Can not be modded

9600 series Can not be modded

9800 SE with 9800/9800 PRO layout (HDD power connector) 4 pipes 256bit Turns into 9800/9800 PRO depending on clock speed

9800 SE with 9700/9700 PRO layout (FDD power connector) 4 pipes 256bit Turns into 9800/9800 PRO (the PCB has no performance effect)
depending on clock speed

9800 SE with I shaped memory and FDD connector in middle of PCB 4 pipes 128bit Turns into the equivalent of a 9500 Pro but with an R350 core.

9800 SE AIW with L shaped memory 4 pipes 256bit Turns into 9800 AIW

9800SE BLACK PCB I shaped memory 4 pipes 128 bit Turns into the equivalent of a 9500 Pro but with an R350 core.

9800 SE with TSOP memory 4 pipes 128bit Turns into the equivalent of
a 9500 Pro but with an R350 core.

9800 SE AIW with I shaped memory 4 pipes 128bit Turns into the equivalent of a 9500 Pro but with an R350 core and AIW functions.


TAAAAA DAAAAAAAAA what an opening post ehhhh ehh :P