WILL YOU GO LINUX?

[omendata]

The new worm attacks show that microsoft never will be up to the job - Time for a new contender>?

Yep pretty bad - on par with Kournikova.
With RPC bug is making things even worse.

Shucks my virus checker never has been taxed until this week....

so

gO lINUX go

Looks like linux is going to be the future first desktop operating system for the New Novell system - its the future , interface is way ahead of microsoft - very futuristic interface and so many functions available the desktop will be the control centre just like Startrek - waaahay call me mr Spock!!! - menus are dead....!!!

perfect timing for Novell I reckon if they handle it right
BIG BLUE go Linux

WILL YOU GO LINUX?

[BipolarBill]

No way - and lay off the belladonna, dude. ;)

[omendata]

Primadonna surely???
Just say no..........
drugz are bad................
just like to spice things up !!!

Been to a novell symposium - pretty impressed and thats a rarity these days.

Im determined to push Linux for our organisation and the management is starting to listen - strange but true

Linux is the future for business desktop...

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/n/nighde05.html

[bassman]

Originally posted by omendata
...and the management is starting to listen - strange but true.[/url]
Usually managements keep saying "We're spending to much money, we'll go bankrupt, we gotta cut on expenditure" but when you propose ending software expenses with dozens or hundreds of their computers they always seem uptight...If you have an employee that only uses Word, why pay for Windows and Word when you can spend nothing on Linux (www.linux.org) with OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org)? :rolleyes:

[omendata]

They are uptight because they have been taught microsoft'ese for too long and dont rely on their IT guys to provide input...
Novell is increasing Linux connectivity and have just bought over a linux company - seems obvious to me!!!

Futuristic NOS with amazing desktop "be the captain of your own Starship Enterprise" sounds good to me....JUST HOPE nOVELL decides to change its advertising / - product documentation is essential something that Novell have forgotten , if they ever did remember!~!!


BUT THEN I AM A SAD OLD SCIFI FAN!!!

[maje87c]

linux COULD be the future. First, they have to make it so that installing and maintaining/using it isn't a rite of passage in becoming a nerd. Then they have to get third parties to develop for it, but most importantly, it must appeal to a large market(aka the people who don't build thier own computers and/or code).

Now, the main obstacle to all these so far is that linux is made by nerds for nerds for the most part. Nobody has actually tried to make it easy for the common man. This has made linux very cutting edge, but at the same time, reliant on technology standards from ten years ago.

Example- You want to install the Unreal Tournament 2003 demo. You download the necessary ut2k3.bin file. The common user would, at this point, go to where they downloaded it, and double click it. Surprise! nothing happens, or an error message appears. What they don't know is that they have to open up a console, which is DOS in windows to them(going backwards , and type in
sh /home/avguserjoe/unreal/ut2k3.bin. Then, they go to install it, click next and...Surprise! you have to be root to install it in the default folder. They may or may not know how to change the installation directory, but even if they do, they won't know which places they can and cannot write to. To fix this problem, they have to start a new console session(or close and reopen) and start with su root followed by the password. Then, they must repeat the earlier process, and only then will they have the program installed.

In windows, this is pretty much download, find, double click. Now, you tell me which OS the average uninformed gamer is going to want.

[mireland]

I forsee this becoming another Linux vs Microsoft threads....LET ER RIP BOYS!!!http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/duel.gif

[Sterling_Aug]

I just finished converting my 4th system at home to Red Hat 9.0 tonight. #5 will probabely be on tap for tomorrow night.

The Seti command line client rips big time on the dual AMD 2400+ systems under Linux.

[omendata]

Ive always used microsoft but having tried linux last year i couldnt believe how easy it was to install - there is just so much more in it than Msoft and its kinda refreshing...

These arguments have been going on for years:-

Anyone remember

Pacman vs Space Invaders

BBC Micro - vs Spectrum

CBM64 vs Spectrum vs BBC

Oric Atmos VS Dragon32/64

Windows Vs OS/2 Warp

PSX vs Dreamcast

AMD vs Intel vs IBM

In each case one was obviously the superior machine/etc but it was nearly always the inferior that was selected...time for a change!!!

Besides Ive always sided with the underdog over the big bully
Cmon you've got to get real when you see the way microsoft offers patch after patch after security bulletin etc etc etc
How many technicians out there are praying for linux after a week of RPC patching and Stinger deployments!!!
Either windows needs complete rebuilt from the ground up with all that we know now or its an alternative that is better for business

We are talking business here - I doubt URT2003 quite falls into what I had at mind but nevertheless when it conquers the business world the entertainment industry is sure to follow
What sort of os do you imagine are in a lot of digital appliances - it aint windows , yes its linux , beos etc just like crusoe is the choice over intel for processor.......

power needs are what is driving technology advancement.......

pause for thought
Lets just hope Novell can pull it off.....They always did deserve the title of Best NOS....

[cdroman]

I'll try it if it's going to be as good as you say.

For patches though;
Does Linux or Cisco or anyone else get the huge publicity when they have to patch flaws?

Does any product get prodded and probed for weaknesses more than an MS one?

Does any company face more hatred than MS?

These very questions make me feel sad about the public in general, but do offer compelling reasons to seek different avenues.

P. S. omendata, you forgot Beta vs. VHS.:t

[Johnny Fist]

Originally posted by omendata
WILL YOU GO LINUX?

When hardware and software compatability rivals that of windowsXP. I don't have all day and night long to fool around looking for a particular brand of modem/mobo/etc to run on mandrake when I can walk down the street and buy one that will work on a windows based machine.

You give me those two perks and I'll switch. Until then, forget about it.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

I wont go linux purely because of Virii, simply because ive got me napper screwed on and know how to deal with em.

I will however go Linux when they get a decent gaming API and the ease of use thing is improved a little more, hardware suport is more or less there now given the use of PnP systems in the lieks of Xandros, so, it's gettign there, slowly but surely

--Jakk:T

[bob05]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
I wont go linux purely because of Virii, simply because ive got me napper screwed on and know how to deal with em.

I will however go Linux when they get a decent gaming API and the ease of use thing is improved a little more, hardware suport is more or less there now given the use of PnP systems in the lieks of Xandros, so, it's gettign there, slowly but surely

--Jakk:T

I agree with Jakk, there isn't as many games on Linux as there are with Windows. And I've grown up with Windows all my life.

So to answer your question: NO, I will NOT go Linux. :p

P.S. I totally agree with the points cdroman made. :t

[CMonster]

Rockin' on without Microsoft (http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=prntfr) -an article worth reading.

-and as touching Linux, I'm already there.

[bassman]

Originally posted by cdroman
Does Linux or Cisco or anyone else get the huge publicity when they have to patch flaws?
That's because they have an extremely minor slice of the market nowadays, if compared to MS.
Does any product get prodded and probed for weaknesses more than an MS one?
That's because MS has a much larger slice of the market nowadays, when compared to others like UNIXes, Solaris, etc...

[cdroman]

bassman;
My point is that every software has flaws and can be exploited; but MS is always expected to come up with somehting flawless. Not going to happen.

Sorry to get off topic. Most of the flavours of Linux that I have tried so far have not done it for me. But that is open to change.

[BipolarBill]

As long as I have to compile my own drivers, you can forget it. I don't understand why Installshield and Wise don't develop an installer for Linux. There is a standard they can follow ferchrissakes.

[comp_nut]

WHERE'S MY PAIN KILLER LINUS GET A LIFE

NEXT UP APPLE

[omendata]

Some of you are not viewing this in the business context i meant I was highlighting what it represents with novell taking it on.

I wasnt talking about how good linux could be for games but which it could very well be in future if it takes off first in the business environment much like the IBM XT kicked off PC in business which in turn became a xp???++++ great games machine!!!

Dont knock it till youve tried it - true much work needs to be done on the install but novells new acquisition seem to be spot on and ive always liked redhat anyway - best installer of the few flavors ive tried - novell just needs to get its connectivity integrated with linux for all its pretty & amazing features - give edirectory , exteND , Ifolder among others a test , you'll be surprised!!!
:t

[omendata]

http://www.novell.com/linux

[Plaster]

I think you're missing cdroman's point. It's straight forward and hit's the nail right on the head. Linux doesn't have the marketshare. Nobody wants to waste their time coding viruses and worms for Linux when they have such a small market share. They want to attack the big guy whose software is installed on just about every personal computer on earth. More publicity. If Apple had the marketshare MS holds, Apple would be getting raped for it's security flaws and virus vulnerabilities. The same goes for Linux. There is no such thing as 100% secure. If everyone in the world switched to Linux overnight you'd have a plethora of Linux worms and viruses inside of a week. It's pretty much that simple.

As to whether or not I'll switch to linux? I'm with BPB on this one. Compiling my own drivers is out of the question. IMHO, Linux is useless until you can run a program to simply install drivers and software.

[scrubby]

I don't know about anyone else but, I'm running 4 systems at home now. Linux/98SE dual boot, XP and 98SE on 3 seperate computers, I use each of them for different applications. I can't complain about Mandrake 9.0, it found my hi speed connection and set it all up. Just wish Linux supported more hardware. I did have to go out and get a sound card that was Linux compatible to get that working. As far as the latest virus attacks on Windows, it hasn't been a problem, keep windows updated, anti-virus updated, and set up firewalls. Any piece of machinery or equipment needs regularly scheduled maintenance to keep it running at peak effiency.

[omendata]

You are still missing the point - I do agree Linux needs a better packaging thats why the Novell connection , hopefully they will be able to make it mass marketable.

Yes it has flaws but far less than MS - You have to understand how Linux is built and MS to understand why MS is so insecure , All those unchecked buffers , API calls , patches over patches.

I work in security and I think I can safely say Ive seen my fair share of problems mostly with MS - why do you think 70%+ of the web servers on the net are Apache and Not IIS.

Why do you think many of the banks and Insurnace companies still use OS2?

Microsoft may well be used on the desktop but its linux , unix , os2 etc that are reliable and proven contenders.

[MDLarson]

Don't you hate it when there is a good thing, but nobody wants to support it, in fear of becoming part of the minority? Pphhtt... Welcome to Mac world.

Seriously folks, Microsoft is too big for it's (or your) own good. Take a leap and support some diversity.

[BipolarBill]

You first. Show us how to install Opera in Linux.

[bob05]

Originally posted by omendata

Yes it has flaws but far less than MS - You have to understand how Linux is built and MS to understand why MS is so insecure , All those unchecked buffers , API calls , patches over patches.

I work in security and I think I can safely say Ive seen my fair share of problems mostly with MS - why do you think 70%+ of the web servers on the net are Apache and Not IIS.

Why do you think many of the banks and Insurnace companies still use OS2?

Microsoft may well be used on the desktop but its linux , unix , os2 etc that are reliable and proven contenders.


All those flaws will be inherent when you consider everything Windows provides. All those gaming API's, Internet Explorer, and such cause those flaws. Without them, Windows will be as secure as Linux, but so? It would just leave it to be a rather usless OS for home use but a great server OS, something Windows isn't trying to be. And leave us with Mac X as a Home OS. Apple, anyone? :rolleyes:

[bob05]

Originally posted by MDLarson
Take a leap and support some diversity.

Oh yeah, P.S.,

Diversity for Mac is having a Blue iMac instead Orange one. :rolleyes: :p

[mireland]

nothin' wrong with linux, If you like it use it..nothin' wrong with Microsoft, If you like it use it...Nothin' wrong with mac's.. OOPS SCRATCH THAT!:D

http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/ranton.gif

[MDLarson]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
You first. Show us how to install Opera in Linux. I don't know how to do that, but I can show you how it's done with Mac OS X... (See attached JPGs)

[MDLarson]

Pretty easy. Arguably easier than a standard Windows install.

I'm not trying to push Mac OS X, but the point is that competition against Microsoft, who has been / is monopolistic should be regarded as good.

Secondly, it's important to recognize Apple as a part of the computer industry as a whole. It's easy to pigeon-hole Apple as a "mini-monopoly", but that's not an accurate portrayal.

[Plaster]

Originally posted by bob05


All those flaws will be inherent when you consider everything Windows provides. All those gaming API's, Internet Explorer, and such cause those flaws. Without them, Windows will be as secure as Linux, but so? It would just leave it to be a rather usless OS for home use but a great server OS, something Windows isn't trying to be. And leave us with Mac X as a Home OS. Apple, anyone? :rolleyes:

Bingo. Strip all the fluff out of Windows and you're left with a shell of an OS that's every bit as secure as Linux.

[mireland]

Personally I prefer OS2....:rolleyes:

[omendata]

Yep its the original what windows shoiuld have been built on if it hadnt been for the events of the time and the split....
;)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

If mac were to make an OS that worked on all hardware, rather than just their specs, i would consider looking at it, heck, i love the asthetics f their OS's, theyve got everyone well and truly panned where thats concerned. But the hardware of the Mac has never impressed me, im the sort of person who likes things built to my own personal unique spec and thus MacOS cant cater for me. Plus there is the gaming issue of cousrse, many bemoan linux for lack of gamign support, but with many major titles coming with linux binaries on initial release, if anything Linux is a far superior gaming platform to MacOS in that soem games are readily availiable strauight away fro the platform and those that arent written specifically for linux can be emulated to run, wheras with MacOS your hanging around for months for someone to do a conversion/port and even then they only tend to happen for a minority of big selling titles

If mac were to write soem sort of front end GUI program to go over windows or even Linux i for one would defintley pay for it, the only thing that can touch MacOS's aesthetic flair is GNOME IMO and even then its a distant second

--Jakk:t

[BipolarBill]

Oh - so this is a Mac thread now? :mad:

Larson....

[mireland]

I get a real kick out of these kinds of threads. (Awaiting the Microsoft Troll to show up). http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/water.gif

[omendata]

Its time to kick *** and chew bubblegum
cmon apple , ms.
Linux gonna bust yo!!!
"LINUX - ITS HARDCORE TECH"

Just wondering if there are any Novell openings....
>;o#)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Sod it, i think im gonna become the resident AmigaDOS troll :p

All bow down before the marvel of software engineering known as Workbench 2.0 :cool:

--Jakk:t

[omendata]

Naw - BBC Micro , Apple , dragon32 , cbm64 (6502 , 6501 , 6809 machine code - much more fun)

Anyone remember Hunt The Wumpus~?

When you can sit down and have complete control of a processor like you could with the old micros now thats heaven......sod gui
then i am an old 6502 ****.....So maybe im biased....


>;o)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Having come from an Oric 64, ZX Spectrum and Commodore 64 the sense of awe and wonder that the WIMP GUI of Workbench 2.0 invoked in me was immesurable. No more (well, drastically less) command lines, plus the ability to configure the machine and run all my programs from within one central program... heaven.

Ah, good times, Monkey Island on the A500+....i was posh, i had the 2mb RAM expansion ;)

--Jakk:t

[omendata]

Prince of persia . xenon2 , monkey island about the only one i managed to finish - 80286 VMS station
Still got it - amazing 2mb ram
wooo
:-@

[MDLarson]

Originally posted by BipolarBill
Oh - so this is a Mac thread now? :mad:

Larson.... No, not a Mac thread... More of an Anti-MS thread, right?

I happen to be interested, because I'm a believer in anti-Microsoftism.

And to quote myself in my defence...
I'm not trying to push Mac OS X, but the point is that competition against Microsoft, who has been / is monopolistic should be regarded as good.
We're all good. :)

[bob05]

Originally posted by MDLarson
More of an Anti-MS thread, right?

It's (or was) turning the other direction. :t

[Johnny Fist]

Actually, bringing up macs in a linux discussion is relevant. Isn't OSX based on BSD to a certain extent?

[BipolarBill]

Yes, the core is BSD and I'm sure that Apple "borrowed" some code from Linux out of convenience.

Please don't feed the "animals" (MDL) - they won't go away if you do. :p

It's one thing to despise a company, person or thing because it's not what it's cracked up to be. It's another altogether to make noise because that company, person or thing is on top. The latter is just plain petty.

I like Windows. You can all go urinate up a tree. :cool:

[Johnny Fist]

I'm going to agree with SillyBilly. I like Windows, too. Well, except for the explorer shell, but that is a topic for a different thread.

[comp_nut]

I like Windows. You can all go urinate up a tree.


what a gem
:D

if you weren't so cranky i would like you:D


:t

[mireland]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by comp_nut
[B]I like Windows. You can all go urinate up a tree.
:eek:


Novell's a pretty good NOS,I'd use them as my file servers, I'd use linux as a proxy server or someting and use Microsoft for workstations in an ideal network setup. http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/weirdo.gif

Oh yea, and I'd use Macs as my foot rests!!:D

[bassman]

Originally posted by mireland
...use Microsoft for workstations in an ideal network setup.
Again, you'd be spending a lot...

[mireland]

Originally posted by bassman

Again, you'd be spending a lot...

well yea, but than again I wouldn't skimp too much on money when it came to building a network. Not just OS's but cables, switches,routers etc.:t

[Swordfish]

Yes, i will go linux(actually i use Redhat 9, started using from 5).

For the following reasons:

(this is from a desktop user point of view.)

Free OS and some good free office apps.
lots of support online.
doesn't need any upgrade for the next version to install.

apart from that what i dislike about it is

games look rather sluggish so windows is still the king.I would play q3 on windows rather than linux.

you need lot of configuring otherwise the OS install process is a breeze.

Internal modems like motorola and others would soon loose support for future releases so they would have to keep the source at some place to be compiled manually later or switch to a External modem. ofcourse broadband guys have no worry.

Otherwise linux has improved a lot from its very first release.

Was it slackware or debian that came out with the first version?

[rraehal]

I use Windows XP and Linux. I like both for different reasons.

I will most likely always have both, but depending on capabilities, I may end up using Linux more than Windows.

I had prblem with RedHat 6 and hardware, went to mandrake 7 and had a lot less and with mandrake 8 I have not had any. I just completed making my Mandrake 9 cd's and will put that on my new system.

I think Linux is a good solid OS. I will continue to use it in the future.