What If You Can Go Back To Ancient Times?

[cbh]

What if you can go back to the ancient times? What will you do before coming back to the present? Ancient times? The Dark Ages! The Renaissance? The Roman Era!

For me, I will try not to go back in time because you can't play around with time and space.

There will be a lot of bad consequences.

[gibsinep]

Well I think I would hit every main point in religion and then tape all the so called miracles and then come back and prove everyone wrong. :p

[j.m@talk]

Can I just nip back long enough to stop myself from eatin' that last dodgy Donner Kebab :(

Jezzus is it givin' me gas............................................

Fan please.................Somone open a door Jeepers ;)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

As a history student im more into modern history but the Ancient Egyptians have always interested me and although by and large i dislike the Medieval period, i do enjoy the reign of the Tudors and Stewarts

--Jakk:t

[herosrest]

Some tickets for the 'Adam & Eve show'. :x

[MJCfromCT]

i'd bring a lighter to cavemen and make them think i was god because i'd create fire with the flick of a switch :) then i'd give it to them and watch history rewrite itself

[Swordfish]

I would like to meet Cleopatra just to c whether she was really beautiful.

[herosrest]

Hmmm. Cleo is a neat idea but remember the sand gets everywhere.

In honesty i'd prefer to go forward a few weeks - and nip in the bookies when i get back. :D

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Helen of Troy is according to lore the most beutiful woman to ever live (shes the face that launced the thousand ships), so she would be the one to check out...not Cleo

--Jakk:t

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com
Can I just nip back long enough to stop myself from eatin' that last dodgy Donner Kebab :(

Jezzus is it givin' me gas............................................

Fan please.................Somone open a door Jeepers ;)
http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/smiley_****.gif

[herosrest]

Oi... http://www.fancysplace.com/smileys/bangouch.gif

[comp_nut]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
As a history student im more into modern history but the Ancient Egyptians have always interested me and although by and large i dislike the Medieval period, i do enjoy the reign of the Tudors and Stewarts

--Jakk:t


you would like your head cut off:D

:t

[Dracas]

hehe, I'd skip back just long enough to prove their was a planet originally where the asteroid belt on the other side of mars is :p

Planet jumpah's woo :D

[cbh]

I think that must be the Sumerian period.

[Yoshi]

Hmmm I'd proly read up all I can about some big war, go back and give one side the enemys every move, and be a king

[Dracas]

"Those who don't want power, are often put in the situation to possess it." -Unknown


Yeah, you don't fit into that quote, must be why you're a schmuck working 8 to 5 like the rest of us *laughs* :t

[DocEvi1]

Yoshi thats not a good idea, by changing history you might never become, for instance if you told America that Pearl Harbour was about to be bombed, they'd move their ships and possibly never join the war.

It would be much better to do something like Jakk wants and simply observe not alter.

Stefan

[MJCfromCT]

...yea, and if we killed hitler before he came to power, then J. Edgar Hoover would have become president and all the men in the United States would be forced to wear dresses

[Bigjakkstaffa]

If we had of killed Hitler Germany would probably have imploded on itself around the 1930's and God know what would have sprung up in Hitlers place...it could have been even worse

--Jakk:t

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by MJCfromCT
...yea, and if we killed hitler before he came to power, then J. Edgar Hoover would have become president and all the men in the United States would be forced to wear dresses

Some do anyway :p




Well Most is what I heared ;)

[cbh]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
If we had of killed Hitler Germany would probably have imploded on itself around the 1930's and God know what would have sprung up in Hitlers place...it could have been even worse

--Jakk:t

If Hitler gets assassinated, Stalin will become the next tyrant.

[herosrest]

I've often wondered how the Custer tradgedy of 1876 in Montana unfolded.

[Yoshi]

Fine Fine, I'll just go back to like 5 years ago and invest all my money in ebay and Yahoo:D :D :D

[herosrest]

It would be exciting to go back to the beginning and witness the 'Big bang'. :x

[Bigjakkstaffa]

But there would be nowhere to observe it from... would there :confused:

--Jakk:t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

If Hitler gets assassinated, Stalin will become the next tyrant.

Stalin WAS the next tyrant anyways. If there had been no Hitler its highly likely that Germany would have fallen under the controll of the Spartacists and KPD around about the time Hitler came to power in the real world, as such it would probably have been unable to maintain itself given Germanys economic situation at the time and become absorbed into Russia as another outpost of Communism and would probably fall under the control of Stalin

--Jakk:t

[herosrest]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
But there would be nowhere to observe it from... would there :confused:

--Jakk:t


Oh, - i'd find somewhere. Maybe not ringside though. :cool:

[herosrest]

After deliberation l think this was an interesting time: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-C-Aces/index.html

[Bigjakkstaffa]

There was only one Manfred Von Richthofen

http://www.briggsenterprises.com/bluemax/mvr.jpg

Doug Bader was also a remarkable man and pilot, given the difficulties he had to overcome (he had no legs for those who didnt know)

--Jakk:t

[herosrest]

Yup. I got 'reach for the sky' on DVD way back and still enjoy it tremendously.

[cbh]

We can't alter ancient history but we can observe secretly and learn first-hand the real truth. Anyway, humanity is plagued with countless armed conflcits and I like to know the main reason. Is it greed, power, ambition or insanity that cause the humans to fight one another?

I still don't get it...

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Is it greed, power, ambition or insanity that cause the humans to fight one another?

I would say its the human race's intolerance of groups that dont confom to its social values. In modern society, paticularly western society, theres a need to assimilate everything into it, its almost come to the point where non-conformists are looked down on and other cultures are feared, percieved as alien and by and large misunderstood

--Jakk:t

[ConfusedAlien]

like some other who mentioned this, I would also have invested all my money in rising companies, bfore 9/11.
lol or id do this like in futureama.

have a dollar in the bank. freeze myself for 1000 years. come back and see that you have 2.4 billion dollars in your account. LOL

they say that our universe is continually expanding...

[strat1]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa
paticularly western society, --Jakk:t
That’s your perception - not a reality from my point of view.
Others will blame “the west” for just about everything.
Money, greed, Power and religious fanatics are what drive so many horrible people to do what they do. I disagree that the west as a whole is responsible for changing the world. Capitalism and the lure of Religious, economical and personal freedoms are driving change. People with the most to fear, dictators, Evil oppressive regimes, Religious Terrorists are the ones who are “resistant” to change and freedom for very selfish reasons.
Our foreign policy may be inconsistent as hell do to the revolving politicians we have here in the US, but at least we are trying to make a difference. It is better than sitting on our corrupt useless butts like the UN.

There is too much to change really, by killing Hitler as a baby a void would open up to support another Hitler-like personally. That is not to say that I would ever pass up the opportunity to kill Hitler, Osama, Saddam, for starters.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

I dont think western society in itself is actively or awarely doing the assimilating, i think that the west is, ATM a very scared, frightened place following recent events, and for this reason it needs to see everything in terms it can understand, i.e. its terms, hence the need to distinguish friend from foe, with, more often that not, those not conforming to western norms being shortlisted as foes.

As for within western society, well heck, nobody can deny the fact that you have to assimilate yourself with popular culture or become an outcast, you just have to read something like Fight Club or Suvivor to see the extent through which fashion, the mass media etc, turns people into that which they in all probability are not, another slave to what some dude on the front of a glossy magazine tells em to be. Im not mainstream by any stretch of the imagination, and because im not, it allows me to see the way in which the peopel of the west are becoming mindless slaves to and clones of, what television tells them to be. Of course this is percieved as normal as its a majority thing, but heck, id rather be abnormal than a mindless moneky who obsesses over other peoples opionons of him and cant do something for himself unless its already been aproved as 'fashionable'

Plus of course there is the natural human tendency to not like whats different to them, by and large thats the font of all inequality in society, be it racism or sexism as two high profile occurances. People do not like what they cant understand, never have done, never will done and as a result they will always try and turn that which they cannot understand/relate to into that which they can or try and make them an underclass

--Jakk:t

[strat1]

very true and well put!

[comp_nut]

stop sucking up:D

[herosrest]

Does anyone know why Brazil and the Ukraine are building rockets? :confused:

[strat1]

Originally posted by herosrest
Does anyone know why Brazil and the Ukraine are building rockets? :confused:

ummmm, to get to the other side? :eek:

[rusty4x4]

Hello. I'm newly registered to SysOpt, but have been aware of, and lurking around, the site, since the Wainner days. It's always interesting to see sociological commentary in an otherwise technical (well, most of the time, anyway - intel vs. amd, mac vs. pc, etc. - :)) forum. Onto addressing Jakk's points:

"I would say its the human race's intolerance of groups that dont confom to its social values."

No argument there. There will always be groups who will find a rationale to exclude. Consider the practices and norms of the Wahabbi, Aryan Nation, etc. The point being that this behaviour is not unique to any one segment of civilization.

"In modern society, paticularly western society, theres a need to assimilate everything into it,..."

I think the above better reflects the state of western society in imperial/colonial times. Others within western society (check out these guys http://www.stormfront.org) would rather keep the outsider "out." The ironic thing is that these intolerant people are tolerated anyway.

"...its almost come to the point where non-conformists are looked down on..."

Actually, one could argue that Western society at this point in history is extremely tolerant of non-conformists. Imagine how an avid practitioner of piercing and heavy tattooing would be treated, say, 50 years ago. "Normal" people would think that the person was an escapee from a traveling freak show. These days, not many bat an eyelash at seeing someone thus decorated. Witness too the pervasiveness and acceptance of "performance art," which I generally view as courageous - but not necessarily artful. But hey, that's just me.

"...and other cultures are feared, percieved as alien and by and large misunderstood..."

Until September 11, 2001, not many people in the U.S. really paid too much attention to world affairs, and to the goings on in other cultures. The state of the economy was declining, but by and large, people were still coming off the high of the mid-late 90's. Certainly, the attack in 2000 on the USS Cole was an uncomfortable and tragic reminder that there were bad guys out there. But the horror index went up big time on 9/11. Undeniably, that action amplified the differences in values between the West and a radical segment of Islam. So to perceive that segment as alien and to my mind evil, is well justified.

"I dont think western society in itself is actively or awarely doing the assimilating, ..."

I'm glad you clarified the point. Having grown up in a Third World country (and a past totalitarian one to boot), I can state with some authority that if you give a poor rice farmer the choice between his trying to eke out a living in his native country or migrate to the U.S. or E.U., he'd very probably and gladly take his chances with the latter option. Western civilization is highly appealing, and therefore, highly envied.

"...i think that the west is, ATM a very scared, frightened place following recent events, and for this reason it needs to see everything in terms it can understand, i.e. its terms, hence the need to distinguish friend from foe,..."

I don't know about scared and frightened. I suggest wary and (arguably) prepared. Threat recognition is important in wartime- and yes, we are at war.

"...with, more often that not, those not conforming to western norms being shortlisted as foes."

There's a solid reason for that: it's those differences in norm that drive one group to destroy the other. But realize that the United States did not nuke Mecca at the height of the Hajj. Freedom to practice whatever religion has always been a tenet of this country. Given the choice between what's out there and Western norms, I choose the latter. Interesting reading here: http://www2.ucsc.edu/cgirs/publications/wp/wp99-1.pdf

"As for within western society, well heck, nobody can deny the fact that you have to assimilate yourself with popular culture or become an outcast, you just have to read something like Fight Club or Suvivor to see the extent through which fashion, the mass media etc, turns people into that which they in all probability are not, another slave to what some dude on the front of a glossy magazine tells em to be..."

Never read/saw Fight Club, never watched Survivor. On the latter, I figure if people really wanted to see a real life, balls-to-the-wall adventure, they should follow the Raid Galuoise or the BOC Challenge.

But that's the beauty and appeal of Western civilization, especially at this point in history. Surely there's some controversy here and there (e.g., gay marriages), but by and large, you can be you. Some people, whom you characterize as being slaves to fashion, pop-culture, or whatever, choose to be sheep. Others, such as yourself, choose not to be, probably because you have better critical skills than most. On the other hand, let's be careful about classifying people into sheep/wolves, sophisticates/unsophisticates, enlightened/ignoramuses, wired/unwired. That path can lead to the very human tendency of intolerance and exclusion.

[Dracas]

WOW.

Lurking AND Long-Winded, awer-some :p

[rusty4x4]

Heck, why not? I want to build a rocket! Truth to tell, I don't know if it's too much of a stretch for the Ukrainians - since a bunch of Soviet ICBMs were in their territory anyway. As far as the Brazilians are concerned, good for them. I hope whatever (hopefully peaceful) new industry grows, or economic benefit is derived, breaks the cycle of poverty in that country.

[rusty4x4]

Originally posted by Dracas
WOW.

Lurking AND Long-Winded, awer-some :p

It just HAD to come out. :) Sorry about sounding preachy, but I could not resist the opportunity to rebut the critique, with due respect to Jakk, of course. He (I think it was him) wrote a very helpful OC guide, IMHO. (Insert suck-up sound here :D )

[dodsimz]

I've posted over 200 times in this dang forum and my post counter still doesn't move.

Actually, I'd like to go in the past and see if Atlantis did exist, and if it was whether the way Plato described it or Cayce described it.

I'd also like to see Helen of Troy and Cleopatra and take a picture of them then send it back to our times.

I'd also like to go back and see Jesus and how great he actually was.

I'd also like to witness the battle of marathon and the gladiator battles in the colleseum.

I'd also like to visit Albert Einstein and have a 30 minute discussion with him.

I'd also like to visit my ancestors.

[Dracas]

Posts to the Sysopt.Community Forum do not count towards your Post-counter, as any jimmy can come in here and post quack comments, the real points come from offering technical advice and discussions in the other forums here at Sysopt.

Afterall, its Sysopt "System Optimization" not "Idle Chatter"

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by Dracas
Afterall, its Sysopt "System Optimization" not "Idle Chatter"

Umm :-@ :-@ :-@

[Dracas]

I ain't kissin' nothin JM :p

Its a fact, and only the trolls don't get it :D

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Survivors a book, not that horrible crappy reality TV stuff :eek:

Actually, one could argue that Western society at this point in history is extremely tolerant of non-conformists. Imagine how an avid practitioner of piercing and heavy tattooing would be treated, say, 50 years ago.

An interestign point, but my argument to it would be that today, such practices as tatooing and the whole S+M, Goth scene, have become a whole extension of mainstream culture and what was once alternative culture is now just as heavily manipulated and promoted as a fashionable and desirable as other mainstream areas. One example of this for me personally is heavy metal music. I listen to the odd bits here and there and when i did it was classed as alternative and extreme, today however its a completely mainstream fashion fueled thing, look at the state of bands such as Linkin Park who promote themselves as alternative when in fact they are watered down pop, they cant compare to the true days of Metal with the early Metallica, heck its become such a dilluted and popularity driven thing even the Metallica of today cant compete with the original work :eek:.

Also back to tatto's, i have to say, where i live is a very 'working man's club' place, hard people in (by and large) hard circumstances, and i would say 3 out of every four males have a tatoo of some sort, wether it be a small one, or an armful of the darn things, admittedly most of the older generations that have them were formerly oil riggers, in the navy or other occupations in which tattoos are commonplace, but amongs the younder generations its become another way of conforming to whats hot in the world of fashion. As Stefan put it the other day, your more unique and alternative nowadays if you dont have a tatoo.



I don't know about scared and frightened.

Yeah i was thinking about the way id worded that at work today and i dont think thats an entirely correct thign for me to say. I think the west as a single entity is probably, as you put it, more aware and alert, but a large group of the individual constituents of these cultures (ie Joe Bloggs in the street) are beggining to feel a little un-nerved and uneasy in a way that five years ago they would not . Five years ago, in the UK, bar the IRA, whose activities compared to many groups can be classed as rare and of a limited scale, were the only real cause for concern in the UK and even then the troubles were probably at a low. Today however theres hardly a week goes by that there isnt a report of such and such fundamentalists based in London etc etc, and IMO this is going to lead to a heightened sense of fear amongst the masses, though probably not to the extent it is physically noticable. I for one admit that today my concerns over terrorist activities are almost tenfold what they were even three years ago.

As for the 'assimilation' process, it is in no way the sole preseve of the west, it is what, naturally, the largest, most powerful culture of any given period of history does. Look at the Roman empire for example, that assimilated Britain into much of its culture in a similar fashion to which Japan developed its 'western', modernised feel following WWII. Its not a poke at the west saying it assimilates other cultures, its just a natural thing for the biggest cultural force at any given period of time to do, always has been and i dare say always will be, even if the 'western world' were to grind to a halt tomorrow.

The West isnt a bad place to live at all, hell its a pretty **** excellent place to live. Like any place it has its flawes and its probably not as liberal and free as the PR and 'American Dream' (i personally think that phrase should be the 'Western Dream') would have you think, but its one hell of a step up from the cirumstances throughout most of the world. The only real problem i have with westernisation is that everything in westernised nations seems to be an identikit of everywhere else in the western world, wether it be fast food chains, fashion or political parties. This is what i feel is this 'assimilation process', i cant help but feel that somwhere the unique cultural properties of individual nations are being lost to rows upon rows of McDonald's restraunts. However this isnt always the case, and the biggest example is probably Japan and other oriental nations.

Japan is probably one of the most highly modernised and highly westernised (lets face it westernised and modernised are pretty much the same things today) societies yet at the same time it retains its own unique sense of identity by deviating from some of the norms and values of American or British life and in such a way makes itself a culturally rich and diverse yet still esentially westernised nation, which IMO is great. (Im a big fan of Japan and Hong Kong btw, must visit some day). However when i look at the say the UK (or any advanced european nation) and the US, i cant help but think, that by and large they are probably 'too' similar, and being from the UK there is an apparent decline in much of the traditional occupations, past times, lifestyles etc that made the UK a unique place

So, in conclusion, Western culture is, in many respects, great, even if it is possibly leading to a globe of almost 'clone' nations. However western culture cant be blamed for that as it seems to be a natural process for all dominant cultures throughout history, the only reason for labelling Western Culture in the initial post as opposed to say The Roman Empire or more recently The British Empire, is because its the easiest for the majority of us to relate to ;)

--Jakk:t

[Ol'Tunzafun]

What If You Can Go Back To Ancient Times?
I do go back to ancient times.

:eek:

[rusty4x4]

An interestign point, but my argument to it would be that today, such practices as tatooing and the whole S+M, Goth scene, have become a whole extension of mainstream culture and what was once alternative culture is now just as heavily manipulated and promoted as a fashionable and desirable as other mainstream areas.
I blame it all on marketing! :) The move to capture the youth market, which is always looking for the next big thing, is really what led to the "mainstreaming" of much of these otherwise "alternative" fashions.
One example of this for me personally is heavy metal music. I listen to the odd bits here and there and when i did it was classed as alternative and extreme, today however its a completely mainstream fashion fueled thing...
I agree. I too have run the spectrum of music likes and dislikes. But lately I've decided on the proper perspective for music. At its most fundamental level, it is entertainment. At its most sublime, it is inspiration. But that's it. Looking back, I think this is why I never got into the fan mentality - of anything - sports. music, etc.

As Stefan put it the other day, your more unique and alternative nowadays if you dont have a tatoo.

Funny that. I dreamed last night that I got a tattoo - an advert for AMD! But all my machines so far are Intels. Must be a Freudian thing.
...I for one admit that today my concerns over terrorist activities are almost tenfold what they were even three years ago.
I'm not one to put total faith in government assurances. But I do know that people in government are doing what they can to assure another massacre does not happen. That's not to say it won't happen, but like I said, this is war after all, and anything can happen. The key is not to be paralyzed by fear. I think that we're again at the point in history when there's a need for Churchills and Roosevelts. I have to say, I was very impressed by your PM, whom I understand is under some political heat at home. Similarly, people bad-mouth GWB all the time. It's easy to sit in the peanut gallery and throw rocks, which is what a lot of their critics do. But I have to hand it to both of them: it takes guts to take difficult positions, and make difficult decisions.

Its not a poke at the west saying it assimilates other cultures, its just a natural thing for the biggest cultural force at any given period of time to do, always has been and i dare say always will be, even if the 'western world' were to grind to a halt tomorrow."

I don't know if you've ever seen a WWI propaganda poster or cartoon of the Kaiser as a pickelhaubed gorilla wielding a club labeled 'Kultur.' These days, it's not a gorilla, it's a smiling salesman offering up the latest gadgetry, music, whatever. Hence, the force of American Hegemony is not just its overwhelming firepower, but the effectiveness of its sales forces!

The only real problem i have with westernisation is that everything in westernised nations seems to be an identikit of everywhere else in the western world, wether it be fast food chains, fashion...

It's a case of giving people what they want: predictable, consistent, and affordable. Such is the demise of local diversity. On the plus side, if you find yourself in Japan, and are really in need of something more substantial than the usual small portion of rice and grilled eel, you have better than reasonable assurance that a Big Mac in Tokyo will be just as good as the one from East Podunk, USA.

However this isnt always the case, and the biggest example is probably Japan and other oriental nations."

It is a good thing that the Japanese have been able to hang on to as much as they have. I have been to Japan for a stopover, and I have to warn you, Tokyo is pretty congested, noisy, polluted, and BRIGHT! And one of my best friends who is from Hiroshima, says that it's not the same country he left over 30 years ago. If you can, try to stick to the more rural prefectures.

...and the US, i cant help but think, that by and large they are probably 'too' similar, and being from the UK there is an apparent decline in much of the traditional occupations, past times, lifestyles etc that made the UK a unique place...

Even now the US is changing. As an example, we were once a manufacturing giant, and now a great deal is outsourced, to China in particular. And it will always change. It is the inevitability of the market (like I said: Marketing!).

So, in conclusion, Western culture is, in many respects, great, even if it is possibly leading to a globe of almost 'clone' nations..."

Amen. And if there's one thing that can be counted on with human nature is that some guy will want what the other guy has. So the cloning tendency will continue. Note that I call it a tendency - with the constant change, can true national cloning ever be attained? I don't think so. Because at the local level (i.e., the rural prefecture), there will always be something that makes that place unique, and it will be something that time (or marketing) cannot fully erase. :t

[herosrest]

Kenneth Paul Meriam arrived in Australia on the first Queen Mary voyage in early 42 and was sent home suffering malaria in early 45. He was a Master Sergeant shop foreman and served with the 49th Service Squadron in Australia, New Guinea and the Philippines. This unit followed the combat squadrons around the theatre, fixing airplanes that the ground crews couldn't. Meriam worked on B-17Es, B17Fs, B-24Ds, P-38F and P-38Gs, P39s and P-400s, B-25Cs and B-25Ds, and B-26s.

Dec 6-7!! Last nite after dinner, we were all outside talking. A red alert was on, but we figured it to be the usual semi-false alarm. We all saw some 12 to 15 twin engine bombers approaching from the south. No ack-ack so spec had it amongst a few that they were Navy but most knew them for Nips. We scattered for helmets and slit trenches, then ack-ack opened up and they knocked a couple down. Their bombs did damage to a gas or oil dump. I feel that chill of horror in my stomach of dread everytime I think if it. All that has gone before is nothing to what happened a few minutes after the bombers left. Coming in very low at dusk were Nip transports, right square over our area. Ack-ack went nuts, so did we when an unforgetable sight took place. Parachutists, one after another, tumbled out, right over head and to the north for a distance of a half mile. About 18 transports in three waves, disgorged the Nips. A wild scramble for rifles and ammo after the yell "Parachutists" and I mean wild. Everyone admitted soon after, that chill of terror that griped them. The guys, in spite of it, got ready quick enough to blaze away as the Nips descended. Two were killed in our area, several others just beyond.

No rain but it was muddy, we popped into the slit trench to begin an all nite vigil that ended at dawn. We fully expected wave after wave to follow thinking the first were just a preparation party, especially since they took over an unfinished strip. Thank God it didn't turn out that way. Now I truly know the meaning of the saying - "There are no atheists in a foxhole." A lot of wild spasmodic firing all nite, everywhere. We stuck in our trench and under the floor, taking turns to relieve the aches in muscles. No Nips came to our clearing, we found out the next morning that they'd captured the "strip" and nine ack-ack positions. This was not the only landing, two others a short distance away but they've been kept apart.

Even as I sit here, the third morning after, there's occasional machine gun and rifle fire, still mopping up and driving them to the hills. Morning of the 7th was again something for me. Everyone tired, jittery, and hungry. Lt Hanson asked for 21 men volunteers to go into our tent area to back up the infantry in case the Japs infiltrated thru. Still a lot of firing but nearly all from outfits that were "trigger happy", a bunch of damned fools. To date, one outfit has three dead, twenty wounded - by Yanks! Our bunch darned good.

I sure learned to hit the ground regardless of what was under me. The patrol didn't last long, the infantry and engineers pushed the Nips across the strip - into the goods, so our job, for then, was done. Just before the patrol, we were in a semi-formation, getting instructions. We saw a Zero wheel overhead, four P-40's below. The P-40's suddenly saw the Zero, pushed on all "coal", streaked up and after the Zero just as it started a dive to strafe the road, 25 yards away. The Zero cut loose once at the road, the lead P-40 gaining all the time, tracers streaking towards the Zero, the Zero fishtailing, the tracers closer, finally a hit, a little smoke, more hits and the Zero dived into the ground - a black column of smoke all there was left of the Nip.

http://www.aerothentic.com/PilotWritings/Meriam_49serSqn.htm

[cbh]

If someone detonates a nuclear bomb in ancient Rome, what will happen to the Roman Empire? If someone detonates a toxin bomb in ancient China, what will happen to humanity? With so many terrorists attacking innocent people around the world, I think a change in history will definitely change our future and present completely.

Now terrorism is not a limited thing! If someone is brilliant and crazy enough to build a time machine, the terrorists can use it to assassinate a lot of key personnel in the past. If you hate the West so much, you can drop a nuclear bomb in ancient Rome. Then Europe will be barbaric and uncivilized.

:eek:

[herosrest]

erm... Europe is barbaric and unciviloised.

Maybe we should tell the people who run the place. :p

[Dracas]

Time travels pretty much 'logically impossible'.

Say you go back in time. Wham.

You step on a bug, destroy a few cars, or blow up a small city, it alters the course of (at a minimum) 5000 people (trust me, even the smallest thing can change the course of your day/life/death), so lets just say you kill someone.

now you've got a problem, that person you killed was likely related to the person who created the time machine. Suddenly, time would have to change, that person (in the future) would have fed genes to the person who created the time machine, and he might not be (say) good at math, suddenly - because of that, there is no time machine, which means you never went back in time, which means you never killed his ancestor, and then you never really did anything and on top of it - now you don't remember.

Remember kids, if you've travelled back in time, you're unlikely to remember it :) :t

[cbh]

But it can happen in the near future because science is getting more advanced nowadays. Someone will use that technology to create a time machine and go back in time. Terrorists are radical and crazy people so they will do anything to accomplish their missions.

:eek:

[cbh]

If time travel is basically impossible, then we will safe. But if someone really manages to create a time machine, then we're in deep trouble. Look at the cloning process! A few decades ago, many people think that cloning is a joke. Now we're afraid that human cloning will change the future of Mankind. I can tell you that humanity is not ready for a BIG change yet.

:eek:

[j.m@talk]

Originally posted by cbh
Now we're afraid that human cloning will change the future of Mankind.

Trust me your pretty safe :p

[mireland]

Originally posted by j.m@talk21.com


Trust me your pretty safe :p

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[Tony2005]

i've got my very own time machine!

only goes forward tho a few hours at a time (called sleep ;) )

[cbh]

Yours is called cryogenic process.

:eek:

[Yoshi]

I'm confused:confused: :confused: :confused: