which is the best graphics card for agp x2

[tech-noo]

i am curious which is the best graphics card you can buy for agp x2 without spending over roughly £70-80.

[x51out]

They are mostly backwards compatable. So a 4xAGP card will work at 2xAGP. What you'll want to look at is the AGP voltage and how the agp slot is keyed on the motherboard. Depending on the motherboard, I would assume you'd be well served with a GeForce2GTS or something like that. What mobo make and model are we talking about?

[KraZy_SkitZy]

Try a Radeon 8500, if you can still find one, I'm a firm true beleiver in the 8500 over say the 9000-9200 series,

[tech-noo]

anyway of finding the mobo out w/o opening her up?
i know its a 1.2 gigz processor.

what is the gts? and cant geforce3's work on agp2x as well?

is 128 much better then 64, is it most important.

i have heard of the 8500 le, it got rated best buy by a mag
whats the dif between that and the normal one?

thanx alot for replies, await your replies.

[Swordfish]

try aida32 to get some useful info on your system.

http://www.aida32.hu/aida-download.php?bit=32

gts means giga texel shader...a funny acronym, relates to lighting and shading to pixels indivdually.

http://www.guru3d.com/review/leadtek/geforce2gts/index2.html

you can also use gf3...no problem.The only problem is that your cpu will become a bottleneck incase you go for higher end card.

but you should be fine with a gf2 gts or gf3.

[x51out]

It is ALWAYS good to know the hardware you are dealing with and/or is in your system. Often, the mobo make and model number can be seen just by opening the case side panel. I don't know how much those cards go for on your side of the planet, but the ATI 8500 is probably a better choice than the now elderly GeForce2gts.

[tech-noo]

here is the info:

Motherboard Name Gigabyte GA-7IXE4

Front Side Bus Properties
Bus Type DEC Alpha EV6
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 101 MHz (DDR)
Effective Clock 202 MHz
Bandwidth 1614 MB/s

Memory Bus Properties
Bus Type SDR SDRAM
Bus Width 64-bit
Real Clock 101 MHz
Effective Clock 101 MHz
Bandwidth 807 MB/s

Chipset Bus Properties
Bus Type PCI
Bus Width 32-bit
Real Clock 34 MHz
Effective Clock 34 MHz
Bandwidth 135 MB/s

Motherboard Physical Info
CPU Sockets/Slots 1
Expansion Slots 2 ISA, 5 PCI, 1 AGP
RAM Slots 3 DIMM
Form Factor ATX
Motherboard Size 210 mm x 300 mm
Motherboard Chipset AMD750

Motherboard Manufacturer
Company Name Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd.


once again thanx alot for any/all replies peeps.
whats the difference between radeon 8500 and le version
is it a big improvement??

[Bizkitkid2001]

Originally posted by x51out
They are mostly backwards compatable. So a 4xAGP card will work at 2xAGP. What you'll want to look at is the AGP voltage and how the agp slot is keyed on the motherboard. Depending on the motherboard, I would assume you'd be well served with a GeForce2GTS or something like that. What mobo make and model are we talking about?

No thats wrong. A 4xagp card will not work in a 2x agp slot. But a 2xagp card will work in a 4xagp slot. If you stick a 4x agp card in a 2x agp slot, it will fry the card, and maybe damage your mobo. Remeber the 2x agp slots have a higher voltage than 4x agp.

[x51out]

AGP Specs. (http://www.motherboards.org/articlesd/tech-planations/920_2.html). I read his motherboard manual on-line and it says AGP voltage 3.3v. So you mite be right. Doesn't say whether AGP 1.0, 2.0 . But since his mobo only supports up to 2x, it would have to be AGP 1.0. So I stand corrected. My bad.

[Bizkitkid2001]

NP, just wanting to point that out before the guy goes and sticks a 4x agp card in his computer and fries it.:t

[x51out]

Therefore, THIS (http://mirror.ati.com/products/radeon7200/index.html) card would be a match.

[Slade54]

How much better is the 7200 then the 7000?

Because i have a friend who had a 7000 in his comp, and ive seen games were mine comp performs better.

And everything about his comp was better, more ram, faster ram, faster cpu, faster HD, faster mobo, everthing.

But it still didnt seem to perform well, and so i asked at this forum whats up, and they said the 7000 is a **** card for doing real 3d stuff.

So, how much better is the 7200?

[ConfusedAlien]

what card di you have?
i had a agp 2x with a Geforce256 now that card runs at either 2x or 4x.
just check out at the stores, whether its newegg.com or not, if it supports 2x.
im wondering how much £70 in dollars.
then i'd be able to help lol
ok so i got that 70 pounds is like 113 american dollars. thats a lot. ok so here it is...
ok, maybe im missing something here...why are you talking about ati 7200s here when he can get ti4200's?
you can get an Asus geforce4 ti4200 64mb 550mhz MCR for 85 bucks. thats less than you're budget.

whoops lol you're obviously in britain...
this is what lack of sleep will do to you! arrrg. i imagine that the prices there are slightly harsher than in the us. Perhaps aquiring the 4200 will be a little more challenging...

for example, http://shop1.outpost.com/product/3684065#detailed
is 2xand 4x agp compatible. get yourself a 4200 and upgrade your proc later.

[x51out]

It is because his mobo is AGP1.0/2x only, which is a 3.3v slot (thanx again Bizkitkid for pointing that out). The GeForce4Ti is a 1.5v card.

[tech-noo]

wow thats a blow. 7200 is the best i can get. will that run the newer games./ thats all i want it for. will it b able to handle half life 2 or rise of nations etc. otherwise i gotta get a whole new comp. grrr.

[tech-noo]

at the moment i have an NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 M64 card.
will this run rise of nations??
and are u saying i cant even get an 8000or +
is there a big difference between 7000 and 7200??

thanx for all your help,
much appreciated.

[ConfusedAlien]

the card info says it is compatible with 2x agp slots. ???

and to original question about h/l 2, yes...no

the card you will get will undoubtedly be a DX8 or DX7 card. which means that it will run at the lowest settings. (ugly) but the good part is that it will run! yay! :D
i still have geforce256 mmmk?

[tech-noo]

ok thanx for the info so far
im getting there slowly

so can i run 8000 or more or not?
i take it 9000s are out the window.
but i heard 8500le was good?

and if i cant have 8000s+ then is there a big difference between 7000 or 7200 as i found a 7000 for real cheap. would make rise of nations a lot smoother for time bein. please help.

thanx
tech-noo

[x51out]

You mite have to reseach that yourself. I know the ATI 7000/7200 and probably 7500 would work, but the 8500 is questionable. Go to www.ati.com and search through the manuals.

[Slade54]

i know the 7200 will work.

AGP 2.0 Compliant BUS - AGP 2X (3.3V), AGP 4X (1.5V), or AGP2X/4X based systems

And the 8500 should work

RADEON 8500 AGP complies with AGP 2.0 and PCI 2.2 specifications

Both of these quotes are taken from www.ati.com

[Peter M]

Hold your horses folks.

4x capable cards DO work in 1x/2x slots - as long as the card is of the so called "universal" type, sensing the signalling voltage and adjusting itself. Most low to midrange cards still are, even some 8x capable ones are, like Radeon 9200 series. You spot a universal card by its two notches in the connector blade (to match either 3.3V or 1.5V key tab in the AGP slot).
More than a 9200 would be wasted on an older and thus a bit slow CPU anyhow. Also, the midrange Radeons consume about half as much power as NVidia's similar offerings, which is also a good thing in an old system.

[Slade54]

Thanks for the info Peter M

:t

[tech-noo]

ok now im confused. peter m are u saying i can get 8000+ range.
what would u recomend??
the 8500 or 8500le?? will they work

[Slade54]

tech-noo

Go back to page 1, and look at the last post.

That tells you can.

Then peter m told us a few things with further supports it.

So yes, your good.

[x51out]

Whatever card you aim for, make sure it is 1.5v/3.3v(self-regulating), or AGP Universal, in other words.

[wolfman]

there is a refurbished msi ti 4400 for 107$ shipped with games retail package at www.compgeeks.com. I have one coming tomorrow.:D

[cwin]

OOpps... i doubled my post! :D
(i got frightened when my timer on the libary computer was showing 15 seconds left!):eek:

[cwin]

http://www.ati.com/support/faq/agpchart.html

Apparently. the 9700 has:

Supported Voltages
3.3V, 1.5V, 0.8V

Supported AGP speeds
2X, 4X, 8X

http://www.mediadesign-fr.net/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=44&language=en

http://www.microstorm.com/hardware/partinfo-id-455987.html

:D
Universal AGP cards support: 2x and 4x

[Peter M]

The ATi page is a tad outdated, not showing 4x/8x-only cards. Here's the scoop. Watch the notches in the card connector blades, and the key tabs in the board slots:


Cards
====

Universal card (Radeon 9200)
http://www.club-3d.nl/files/piceV.jpg

1.5V-only card (Radeon 9600)
http://www.club-3d.nl/files/picE4.jpg

3.3V-only card (Rage 128)
http://www.kmelektronik.de/root/shop4/auswahl.php?ArtNr=86

Boards
=====

Universal slot:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/products/graphics/k7s5apro.jpg

1.5V-only slot:
http://www.ecs.com.tw/products/graphics/k7vta3_80_300.jpg

3.3V-only slot:
http://www.stud.fernuni-hagen.de/q3998142/pcchips/pccpics/m577.gif


That makes nine possible combinations of card and board, two of which won't fit mechanically - and these are exactly those that wouldn't work electrically.

[tech-noo]

ok thanx for all the help.
im really sorry to sound so dumb but which card would suit my system and actually run w/o bottlenecking. is that the right term?

would something like the radeon 8500 or 8500le be the best?

[Peter M]

What processor is in there?

[x51out]

I guess he mentioned it being a 1.2ghz cpu, make and model of unknown origin ;) . Actually, since he mentioned Gigabyte GA-7IXE4 (socket A), it is probably a Duron or Thunderbird.

[ConfusedAlien]

why dont you take a look for yourself?
heres the link (its on the ti4200s but 8500's are there as reference) :
http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic/20020409/geforce4ti4200-03.html

i think the 8500 is a good match. get the one at newegg. oh wait are you the one from britain? im not checking page 1 again. i guess you get shafted again eh?

id get that 9700, clock it down, use it, up grade your computer in the coming months, and use the 9700 real time.

[Sark]

I would for sure get a Radeon 8500, best bang for the buck! The le is a little slower (i think they reduced the clcok speeds).

Btw, Im running my Radeon 8500le on AGP 2x mobo (Shuttle AI64)

[tech-noo]

i think the 9700 is a bit out of my price range. and i dont know when i can afford to get a new comp plus the amount it will drop in price by the time i get a good comp makes it no really worth getting.

sark thanx for clearing up the le bit. i am thinking the 8500 is the way to go. and cheaper. if i can get it should i get the 128. would it b worth it on my comp??

ps thanx for all help guys

[ConfusedAlien]

aaaaah just get the bloody card mate!

lol
id say get the 128 cuz it looks more stable compared to the 64 version.
then again, the g3 ti500 looks pretty scrumptious hehehe:D :D :D
:confused:

[tech-noo]

i wil get it but i kwwp getting confused. will my system actually use the 128 to its full potential. as its like 2x the price. whats this about the geforce3 u think its better? its certainly harder to find on ebay

[tech-noo]

ok ive found these at ebay.co.uk

ATi RADEON 8500 128MB GRAPHICS CARD - MINT
£65 + 8 p&p =73 (quite alot)
they say its le but faster confusing??

Model 8500LE 64m DDR VO DVI New
£35 + 7 p&p =42

new Atek Radeon 8500 64MB DDR TV DVI retail box package.
£25 + 10 p&p =35

ok so whats the difference between the last two
does anyone else think the last one sounds the best.
thanx

[Slade54]

Personally i would go with the cheapest one simply because its the cheapest.

No point in spending twice as much on a card thats only a little bit faster.

And the non-LE cards are faster. So i would go with the "new Atek Radeon 8500 64MB DDR TV DVI retail box package.
£25 + 10 p&p =35"

[x51out]

I second Slades pointer. You will have an AHAAA!-Experience once the card is up and running.

[ConfusedAlien]

dont ebay...thats bad for you lol

try to get it at a place where you know what you're getting. I cant imagine what that may be for you lol, but for me its newegg.com. i cant imagine what the shipping would be from the us to uk either.
so i've heard somewhere that www.overclockers.co.uk is pretty good to buy computer parts for the uk...hence the uk. its on fenton stratfordshire


sigh...so heres what you asked for in the beginning. so people dont have to look at the first page again lol

"agp 2x, 70-80 pounds (cant do that L-dashy thing)"
so here, its not brand name, but its a sweet deal from overclockers.co.uk
since the shipping is not included, you have to look at that little bar on the bottm right. :
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9200 256MB DDR TV-Out - Retail (GX-027-SP)
Embrace the challenge to rediscover your fantasies with the unsurpassed value afforded by the price vs. performance champion, the RADEON™ 9200 ATLANTIS PRO. With full support for DirectX® and OpenGL, the RADEON™ 9200 ATLANTIS PRO ensures a flawless gaming experience.

- 256MB DDR Memory
- Full AGP 8x/4x/2x support YYYEEESSS 2x support
- TV-Out



Full Specification

Price: £59.90 (£70.38 Including VAT at 17.5%)
well, its 256mb DDR so i guess you could o/c that to da max. lol


or, if sapphires not your thing, powercolor has the same thing with VIVO thats a better card. and its the same price:
PowerColor Radeon 9200 256MB VIVO - Retail (GX-010-PC)
Embrace the challenge to rediscover your fantasies with the unsurpassed value afforded by the price vs. performance champion, the RADEON™ 9200. With full support for DirectX® and OpenGL, the RADEON™ 9200 ensures a flawless gaming experience.

- 256MB DDR Memory
- Full AGP 8x/4x/2x support
- TV-Out
- Video-in / Video-out


Full Specification

Price: £59.95 (£70.44 Including VAT at 17.5%)
i think this is the best you are getting at this point in time.


pppsssshs! technoo, 72 pounds for a 8500le? forget it! and its on ebay for god sakes. go with this card. the powercolor 256 9200
trust me. after these guys see this, they'll probably agree.

GET IT NOWWWWW :x

[Slade54]

Um......the 9200 in the 256mb flavor, that seems kinda odd to me. Considering its the bottom end card, having 256mb is really odd as it adds alot to its cost.

That, and Sapphire's webpage doesnt even have a 256mb card listed on its page.


And ebay is fine if you know what your doing.

[Peter M]

Yes, basically everyone makes 256-MByte _plain_ 9200 boards - no 256-MByte "Pro" versions to be seen yet.

Anyhow, plain 9200 is a good choice, most of them being fanless. Balances well with a midrange system. (The next step up, 9600, are 1.5V-AGP-only already.)

[tech-noo]

will this actually make much of a difference in a 1.2 procesor or will the proc just b holding back the card loads.

[tech-noo]

my point being with a slow computer and no possibliity of upgrading for quite a while is it worth spending twice as much on a 9200 rather then an 8500. will there b much of a difference in my slow comp. i feel ive got it cut down to these two cards. so thanx alot for help so far. just gotta work out this last bit. cheers.

tech

[Peter M]

Well, 8500 aka 9100 compared to plain 9200 is about a give and take, no relevant speed difference in total. So as long as you can figure out exactly what you're getting there, I'd say you can go with the 8500. I say that because there are some strange 8500 cards out there, lacking dual head capability or having inferior RAM on.

[Slade54]

I say go with whatever is cheaper.

[ConfusedAlien]

hOriginally posted by Slade54
Sapphire's webpage doesnt even have a 256mb card listed on its page.
well sometimes a card isnt on cuz its not updated or because its considered to be in a catagory. http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/9200.asp
the powercolor is here:http://www.cptech.com.tw/powercolor/web/product_inside.asp?prd_id=RADEON9200(R92DV-D3L)#

technoo i dont understand. you asked for a card that is in 70-80 range and i gave you one even below that. 60 range. and since you live in britain ( i think) cant you just drive to fenton and pick it up????????

its a 9200 for 59. the 8500 your looking at is what 42,75? you were initially planning on spending 70 so spend it on a better card. am i the only one who seems confused here?

[tech-noo]

ok thanx for all your help guys.

does this card have any problems that you know of:

Atek Radeon 8500 64MB DDR TV DVI retail box package.
£25 + 10 p&p =35"

the reason im asking about the cheaper card (confused) alien is because since ive started this thread ive realised that buying an expensive new card may not be worth it as my cpu will slow it down. i thought the 9200 wont make much difference to a 1.2

am i wrong?

[tech-noo]

well that particular one on ebay has been sold.

the
Sapphire ATI Radeon 9200 64MB DDR TV-Out - Retail (GX-018-SP)

is at overclockers as u mentioned.
and only is around £50 which is like $85
im not sure about postage but thats reasonable price.

just want to clear up is it worth the extra money.
will the extra £15+ actually pay off in extra speed and detail.

thanx folks. im close to buying. honestly.

[tech-noo]

also found this one on ebay:

powercolour: ATi RADEON 9200 64MB 8X DVI, DRR +TV AGP
its only £50 as well.

what does the dvi and drr mean.

or atek ATi Radeon 9200 128MB DDR TV DVI New
that costs £63

any problems with these cards
. is £13 extra worth the 128 on my shady system

the one at overclockers is 55 including postage.

so close to deciding,. ahhh. i just want to order one but am scared i'll get the wrong one as im poor.

[ConfusedAlien]

well cant you just GO to fenton and pick it up?

[x51out]

Yeah, really. You're starting to p**s us off here. Just kidding :D

[Slade54]

dont make the guy feel bad, x51out

[x51out]

Hence the "just kidding". I added that explicitly for the purpose of making sure nobody gets offended :rolleyes: . Touchy touchy.

[ConfusedAlien]

i like that alien head x51. im going to steal it. muahahaha...
actually i like my dragon. :p lol

by the way, lets chop chop on the shizzay on the money. aint got no bizzay on this shizzay anyway. lol anyone get that?

wow lol just get the 9200.

[x51out]

Haayyl yeaahh. Rizzle ma beshizzle dizzle. Yo cn stizzle ma alien pishizzle, cause ah wuz gonna change it tuh sometin elsizzle. So takay duh pictay fo no monay. Seriously though, it doesn't have to make any sense, it only has to make money. And it does... all the little kiddies allowence go to dem rappas an their bling bling.

[tech-noo]

yea but seriously.
i keep getting conflicting answers.
peter m you seem to know what youre talking about and you have said there is little difference between the 8500 and 9200 so if i hunt down an 8500 for £30 then it is better then a 9200 for £55

so this seems right unless the 9200 really is alot better on my 1.2
and i dont get a shady 8500

ps no i cant drive there, england isnt that small

[Peter M]

I said "as long as you can make sure you get a proper 8500, buy it. Else get a 9200." Where's the conflict in that?

Besides, googling for "atek radeon 8500" came up with this:

http://www.a-tektm.com/pro_g_ati_ar8500.htm

So actually, what's so hard?

A little more research tells you that with the 275 MHz clock specified there, it's a full blown 8500 not an LE. Dual display support is advertized too, so the only open question would be just how fast the RAM on the card is. But slow RAM on a non-LE core would make little sense.

[Slade54]

Well, you could email them, and ask them that, and if they refuse to answer, or simply dont answer, its prolly not a place you want to buy from.

Another things is what is the rep behind atek? Ive heard the name and everything before, and i believe the general feeling behind is that ppl at least like it, but i dont know about qaulity and stuff.

[ConfusedAlien]

Originally posted by tech-noo
peter m you seem to know what youre talking about
ps no i cant drive there, england isnt that small

so you're implying that the rest of us here have no idea of what we are talking about? well, we just want to keep it simple for you.
ok, so here it is.
The Radeon 9200 VPU (RV280) only differs from the 8500 in that it:
1. full support for 8x agp
2. replacement part for 9000 series (seriously)
3. somewhat higher clock speeds
4. 1 texturing unit per pipe, instead of 2 like in 8500 that means 4x1 instead of 2x2 (now i dont exactly know if thats a good thing. jakk must know lol :D)
5. Hyper Z3

everything else is the same. for example, the core and its support for ONLY DX8.1 thats right, the 9000 series DONT MEAN THAT ITS 1000x better than 8000s. it ONLY means that it SUPPORTS DX9 instead of DX8. also cuz they ran out of numbers lol. :D

Im saying get the 9200 cuz its newer than the 8500 which has crappy FSAA support because it supersamples. If you didnt understand what that meant, i was advising you to get the 9200 on the ASSUPTION that since its newer, it must have a LITTLE advantage/update on the matter of SmoothVision anti-aliasing.

there is no real advantage from the 8500LE compared to the 8500. theres only a frame or so of difference, and its give and take. But mostly the non-le seems to be on top. real difference is that the original 275mhz and le has a 250mhz clock.

i have to comment on one thing though. IF you are to get a 8500, you better wish you dont have XP lol. (slows down card MAJORLY with AA)

there is NO way to test the 8500 with the 9200. you cant really compare it. the 8500 is a card that defined the 8000 series. the 9200 is a transformation card, at best, from the 8500 to the 9500.
so you cant ask if one is better than the other. I mean the 9200 SHOULD be, but being a middleman card, it has certain advantages and disadvantages. (like discribed above about FSAA and DX8.)
the only way to COMPARE the two is looking at benchmarks that use somewhat similar techniques. Because from the 9200, every card support DX9.
if you want to know how the 8500 fares, well, its neck and neck with the g3 ti500. there are, suprisingly NO benchmark results concerning the 9200. so you have to ASSUME for the part that it should battle against the LOW end ti4200. In all cases, the 8500 come out to be faster than 9000. Thats why I NEVER recommended the 9000. But I've never seen the 9200 in action, so I have to assume that it is somewhat better.

p.s. yes you can. and yes it is.:D

[fishybawb]

There's a Sapphire 9200 64MB Retail here (http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=48464) from ebuyer for £50 including p&p. At least they have a guaranteed RMA policy, unlike eBay.

[tech-noo]

ok i can see im pissing ppl off. lol.
so i guess im gonna wait till i see another real cheap 8500 on ebay and snap it up.
ive read alot of the specs for cards but it doesnt mean much to me. ddrs etc. eh?
thanx for all youre help everyone.

[tech-noo]

ok i posted that b4 i read the last two posts. lol
confused alien i didnt mean you didnt know what you were talking about. sorry if i gave offense.
i do have xp so i guess its just a matter of finding the right 9200

ps. it would take hours to get to stoke on trent. the postage would be cheaper then the drive!!!

pps. and no i dont know youre mate dave. :)

[tech-noo]

ok i just got offered local fx5200 graphics card for 55 new.
is this better then the 9200

[fishybawb]

Depends on the make of the FX 5200 really. If it's an ABit Siluro don't touch it, they suck.

[tech-noo]

i thinks its nvidia but im unsure

[Sark]

I had my Athlon 750 paired with Radeon 7000, and when I got my 8500, HUGE DIFFERENCE. lol. and since you have another 550 mhz on me, I think you'll be pleased even if you get a 8500 (I dont know anything about Win XP problems with the card though).

Btw, what kind of processor do you have? I know I probably just missed it somewhere)-|

http://www.ateck.com/viewItem.asp?idProduct=453056051

Theres a nice 9200 for only 56$ :D
Seriously! Just buy the card already, you should be pleased with the results no matter what:D

[Slade54]

I agree with Sark.

Just buy one, youll be happy no matter wht.

[tech-noo]

im not sure if i can get one now

its a toss up between fx5200, radeon 9200 or ti 4200 for all roughly £55

[Sark]

Roll a six sided dice, 1 or 2 for the Radeon 9200, 3 or 4 for the FX 5200 and 5 or 6 for the ti 4200:D

[Peter M]

Originally posted by tech-noo
i thinks its nvidia but im unsure

NVidia doesn't make cards AT ALL. They make chips and sell them to companies that make cards from them.

Has anyone listened at all? That 9200 is a 9200SE (plain to see if you read the description!); FX5200 is an equally tuned down entry level product.
Get that full blown 8500 already!

[Slade54]

Yea, the 8500 is actually the best card outa all of those, listen to Peter M

[ConfusedAlien]

basically for the money.
I wish Nvidia did make some tho. i have a geforce 256. lol that was from Nvidia. lol im serious. REAL Nvidia. and its ALL mine. muahahaa...

anyway, i have to say, this is like a bad nightmare recurring everyday. WHY IS THIS STILL HERE!!!! AAAAHHHH its driving me nutz.:eek: :x

here. lets take a poll:
1. ATI 8500 128mb
2. ATI 9200 256mb
3. FX 5200

now i think everyone can AGREE WITH ME and pick 1. tata lol:t
that means PICK 1. :r

[Slade54]

1. ATI 8500 128mb

[tech-noo]

ah yes the 8500 may be better BUT i was told earlier that 8500 does not go well with XP. something about artificial intelligence right?

[tech-noo]

ok its not aritificial intelligence is it. well anyways. i heard 8500 aint good with xp anyone else know about this??

i heard the fx5200 and radeon 9200 are evenly matched. overclockers actually said 5200 was better mainly due to being newer parts. but lots of ppl from this board whos opinion i respect greatly said use the 9200.

also i think id like to get halflife2 when it comes out and am shocked to hear its only supporting ati properly. are future games leaning towards this trend.

[ConfusedAlien]

there is no "trend" Nvidia f*cked up. the microns that is. ATI just got lucky this year. So Nvidia made a comeback. a big one might i add, with the 5900 ultra.

who knows what cards will come out? ATI 15000PRO with 512TDR
no one knows.

but I can say that 8500 is a great card. the fx5200 is only better than the 9200 in the way that it is newer, and has dx9 support. also better FSAA support. (actually, i havent read up on the 5200. im assuming its better cuz its newer. and the 8500 has pretty crappy support)
so me? id give you an advise. You dragged this on for about ooh 2 weeks. i say you can do better. ALOT better. like 2 months. lol
wait. then see if things start to fall in. as in newer proc./vid/etc.
you might want to upgrade your computer. then what are you going to say? M#ther###ker!!!!!why did i buy this PoS 8500!!!

yea, wait:t

hell, ive been waiting for 6 years. geforce256

[Slade54]

The problem with halflife 2 and FSAA has been fixed.

It wasnt anyones fault, just the way that nvidia handled it, and the way HL2 processed it, it causes problems.

And to fix it would require changes to the engine itself, not a smart move if you want to get the game out this year.

But they have found a way around it, so it doesnt matter now.

And the problem with the 8500 and XP prolly existed in the driver. (i myself havent directly heard of the problem, but i wouldnt be completely surprised if it did exist.) But ATI has been getting alot better with their driver support, so i would check on the problem again, and chances are its been fixed.

And ConfusedAlien has a good point.

There are alot of newer technology coming out towards the end of this year. Both in CPU and GPU.

Might be smart to wait for the price drop, and then buy.

Upgrade the whole rig in one swift blow. Then you wouldnt have to worry about the CPU limiting you.

[tech-noo]

cant find a 8500 anywhere so out the window. yeah i cant upgrade the whole thing as i dont have that much money i guess thats why im being so picky aye?

i can get fx5200 for £55 and the 128meg version for £65 down from 100 as my mate works there. sounds promising. yeah btw he has the 5900ultra for like 300 and something pounds. wow.

is the 128 version alot better.

any really new good budget cards coming out soon?

[ConfusedAlien]

Originally posted by tech-noo
cant find a 8500 anywhere so out the window...im being so picky aye?...i can get fx5200 for £55 and the 128meg version for £65 ...5900ultra for like 300...is the 128 version alot better...any really new good budget cards coming out soon?

this is going nowhere...
first this, then that, back to this, then finally that. oh wait, nope cant find one, even tho i just gave the listing on uk ebay, and overclock.co.uk. seems all these other cards we just ruled out seem promising. oh look, 9200 256 was too much - 65. I can get a fx5200 for 65 tho.??? any new cards coming out soon?

WTF??? did anything we just discussed for the last 60+ posts mean anything? if you wanted a card, you would have gotten it by now. obviously you are not in a hurry to get anything.

im done with this thread. arggg

the rest was too um...violent i had to edit it out...lol:r :r

[Sark]

just, GET ONE lol, I mean by the time you pick one the next gen ATI and Nvidia cards will be out!

And a AA problem (that may ormay not exist) under XP isnt the end of the world. Especially since it can be fixed with a driver release,

YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY WITH ANY OF THE 3 CARDS!:t

[Peter M]

So, you wibbled around long enough for your best option to disappear. Great.
Now go get a 9000pro card, or a 9200pro.

[x51out]

Perhaps he is a starving student, or a meager youngster with no income?

[Slade54]

I was saying at the end of the year, upgrade.

Thatll give you plenty of time to save up enough money.

[tech-noo]

lol

thanx alot guys for all your help
sorry for being a ****

[Peter M]

Originally posted by x51out
Perhaps he is a starving student, or a meager youngster with no income?

Guess why we all came to the conclusion that the 8500 for 22 quid was his best option?

[tech-noo]

nah im just a minimum wage earner. u gotta love em.
yeah i think the 8500 was an le it just didnt say on the main bit.
is it worth spending extra on a 128 or 256

[ConfusedAlien]

im not answering this.
im putting a ban on this thread. WHOS WITH ME???lol
freeeeeeeeeeeeedddddoooooommmm.
and gets his bodyparts all cut up and displayed on the 4 corners of GB. ahhhh, those were the times...lol

[Peter M]

Originally posted by tech-noo
nah im just a minimum wage earner. u gotta love em.
yeah i think the 8500 was an le it just didnt say on the main bit.
is it worth spending extra on a 128 or 256

You've heard all the facts. More than once. Stop it already.

[tech-noo]

thought youd be interested in update lol

im looking into these in order:

at the NEW atek ti4200 64 for £60-80

if it gets into the 70s i think i might go for the:

8500le 64 with no extras or leads - they dont mention make and i think its used for around £32
or the same card (i think) new for £42