killer_teddy
07-10-2003, 06:22 PM
So whats XDR stand for exactly?
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Logan2002
07-10-2003, 11:32 PM
WOW 100gb/s of bandwidth!!!
Beeblequix
07-11-2003, 12:18 AM
Great technology.
Too bad for Rambus Inc. that their crybaby image has tarnished them into a niche market.
ßeeßle Ink.
Too bad for Rambus Inc. that their crybaby image has tarnished them into a niche market.
ßeeßle Ink.
Witch-Talon
07-11-2003, 01:16 AM
killer_teddy So whats XDR stand for exactly?
I'm guessing "Xtreme Data Rate"
This sound sweet but ain't a good news for budget people. I can see this going for $400 for a single 256/512 stick.
I'm guessing "Xtreme Data Rate"
This sound sweet but ain't a good news for budget people. I can see this going for $400 for a single 256/512 stick.
killer_teddy
07-11-2003, 01:27 PM
Yeah I thought it would be something like Xtreme but maybe they'll do the same as Intel did with MMX, it doesn't actually mean anything so it CAN be copyrighted but its obvious what its suposed to mean.
$1500-P4 gamer
07-11-2003, 03:06 PM
I thought MMX stood for Multi-Media-eXtension. LOL-least that what it does-increases mulit-media sped through integrated features. Rambus can go suck a lemon-I bought rdram pc800 when p4 came out. $20 per 64mb stick. Blah. THats $80 for 256mb total and no upgrade room+ ddr 256mb pc2700 is only $35. :t
Dracas
07-11-2003, 09:55 PM
3.2 GHz.....? Jeebus! Think of running a 3.2 GHz P4 HT with ram that runs at the same rate as the processor?
That'd be awesome, but who's gonna use Rambus at this point? Intel ain't makin no more chipsets, I doubt via or AMD will....
That'd be awesome, but who's gonna use Rambus at this point? Intel ain't makin no more chipsets, I doubt via or AMD will....
killer_teddy
07-12-2003, 06:20 AM
Originally posted by $1500-P4 gamer
I thought MMX stood for Multi-Media-eXtension.
MMX technology was originally named for multimedia extensions, or matrix math extensions, depending on whom you ask. Intel officially states that it is actually not an abbreviation and stands for nothing other than the letters MMX (not being an abbreviation was apparantly required so that the letters could be trademarked) quote from Scott Mueller's Upgrading and repairing PC's 12th edition.
Dunno if this XDR stuff will be worth it, maybe if the price is right and the competition doesn't look better/cheaper.
I thought MMX stood for Multi-Media-eXtension.
MMX technology was originally named for multimedia extensions, or matrix math extensions, depending on whom you ask. Intel officially states that it is actually not an abbreviation and stands for nothing other than the letters MMX (not being an abbreviation was apparantly required so that the letters could be trademarked) quote from Scott Mueller's Upgrading and repairing PC's 12th edition.
Dunno if this XDR stuff will be worth it, maybe if the price is right and the competition doesn't look better/cheaper.
SLX
07-12-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by Dracas
3.2 GHz.....? Jeebus! Think of running a 3.2 GHz P4 HT with ram that runs at the same rate as the processor?
That'd be awesome, but who's gonna use Rambus at this point? Intel ain't makin no more chipsets, I doubt via or AMD will....
Yea would it be like having a L3 cache since its just as fast?
Some one will pop out a chipset that runs this, since it’s a Niche that no ones got yet. Maybe Video cards will incorporate this kind of memory. But by then we will maybe need 18x AGP?
Too bad rambus has the reputation that it does; it wards off potential customers especially AMD guys that think it’s a plot by INTEL. If rambus plays its cards right they can be the new standard.
3.2 GHz.....? Jeebus! Think of running a 3.2 GHz P4 HT with ram that runs at the same rate as the processor?
That'd be awesome, but who's gonna use Rambus at this point? Intel ain't makin no more chipsets, I doubt via or AMD will....
Yea would it be like having a L3 cache since its just as fast?
Some one will pop out a chipset that runs this, since it’s a Niche that no ones got yet. Maybe Video cards will incorporate this kind of memory. But by then we will maybe need 18x AGP?
Too bad rambus has the reputation that it does; it wards off potential customers especially AMD guys that think it’s a plot by INTEL. If rambus plays its cards right they can be the new standard.
Logan2002
07-12-2003, 11:14 PM
Ram as fast as a L3 cache...wow. Gaming would be taken to a whole new level. MMORPG's would be even more awesome.
You would be entering really beautiful online world.
You would be entering really beautiful online world.
Dracas
07-13-2003, 12:21 AM
I have my doubts it would skip along as fast as l3 cache...then again, I'm not sure, theres still a large bottleneck getting too the ram, wether it runs at 3.3ns or whatever speed or less, so not sure
$1500-P4 gamer
07-13-2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by SLX
Yea would it be like having a L3 cache since its just as fast?
Some one will pop out a chipset that runs this, since it’s a Niche that no ones got yet. Maybe Video cards will incorporate this kind of memory. But by then we will maybe need 18x AGP?
Too bad rambus has the reputation that it does; it wards off potential customers especially AMD guys that think it’s a plot by INTEL. If rambus plays its cards right they can be the new standard.
They are well aware they burned the bridges with intel and amd isnt gonna take it up either. Hence from the article clipping above.......
"Though the company has designed the processor for graphics and networking applications, they hope is to eventually use it for PC main memory, according to a report on siliconvalley.internet.com."
See they are aiming for Vid3eo card which obviously going to new mem isnt as hard as switching on the cpu side is. As each video card has its own mem controler etc.-etc. the gpu and card can be deseigned around it more easily. This makes it less risky to go with rambus cause they dont have a lock on yer new cpu this way. Then they are hoping later to get back into system mem-prolly by the extreme performance out selling their bad rep. Dont count on the system mem thing rambus-little too much to ask. I see it going video and HIGH end server networking and then staying there..
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Yea would it be like having a L3 cache since its just as fast?
Some one will pop out a chipset that runs this, since it’s a Niche that no ones got yet. Maybe Video cards will incorporate this kind of memory. But by then we will maybe need 18x AGP?
Too bad rambus has the reputation that it does; it wards off potential customers especially AMD guys that think it’s a plot by INTEL. If rambus plays its cards right they can be the new standard.
They are well aware they burned the bridges with intel and amd isnt gonna take it up either. Hence from the article clipping above.......
"Though the company has designed the processor for graphics and networking applications, they hope is to eventually use it for PC main memory, according to a report on siliconvalley.internet.com."
See they are aiming for Vid3eo card which obviously going to new mem isnt as hard as switching on the cpu side is. As each video card has its own mem controler etc.-etc. the gpu and card can be deseigned around it more easily. This makes it less risky to go with rambus cause they dont have a lock on yer new cpu this way. Then they are hoping later to get back into system mem-prolly by the extreme performance out selling their bad rep. Dont count on the system mem thing rambus-little too much to ask. I see it going video and HIGH end server networking and then staying there..
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Dracas
07-13-2003, 01:51 AM
"...graphics and networking applications..." also (for some reason) brings to mind use in Server Chipsets and maybe even Apple or SGI(?)(both of which are, for the most part, forerunners in graphics systems)
Apple could use the powerboost, it took them a long time to get off the PC133 bandwagon, and took up DDR memory almost a year after its initial IBM-CPC launch, so if they can figure out how to make headway with the PPC 970 and Rambus, then they might make a few leaps in system performance, with OSX they've also got a new (and reasonable) platform for gaming, so it might not be bad for Apple to consider it.
Afterall, Apple is known for their High-cost proprietary make-up, but even so, it makes them a lot more stable and reliable than an open platform, and from experience, Apple has always been worth the money. I haven't seen one die...ever, I still had a MacSE with a 9" black and white screen that could still truck away playing Commanche Attack 3D up until about a year ago, and I gave it to a friend :p
Apple could use the powerboost, it took them a long time to get off the PC133 bandwagon, and took up DDR memory almost a year after its initial IBM-CPC launch, so if they can figure out how to make headway with the PPC 970 and Rambus, then they might make a few leaps in system performance, with OSX they've also got a new (and reasonable) platform for gaming, so it might not be bad for Apple to consider it.
Afterall, Apple is known for their High-cost proprietary make-up, but even so, it makes them a lot more stable and reliable than an open platform, and from experience, Apple has always been worth the money. I haven't seen one die...ever, I still had a MacSE with a 9" black and white screen that could still truck away playing Commanche Attack 3D up until about a year ago, and I gave it to a friend :p
Swordfish
07-14-2003, 01:27 PM
i bet intel or others may release one chipset that supports this thing...if DDR II is not out by the time prescot with the 1ghz fsb releases.
read that somewhere.....dunno
read that somewhere.....dunno
cyber_gubat
07-15-2003, 05:16 AM
good stuff but getting this one is like buying a new computer.......
qualserve
07-17-2003, 07:44 PM
The memory speed on the video card will still be limited by the AGP BUS itself which runs at 66mhz. As for 18X, why? 8X and even 4X almost never reached, I don't care what your CAPABILITY is.
On the other side, I have two computers using the Intel 820 chipset and RAMBUS mem. One is a nice ASUS dual PIII with 512 mb of PC800, load it up with tasks and it never complains:)
On the other side, I have two computers using the Intel 820 chipset and RAMBUS mem. One is a nice ASUS dual PIII with 512 mb of PC800, load it up with tasks and it never complains:)
Dracas
07-17-2003, 08:24 PM
iirc, PCI-X will use 100MHz/133MHz, and the AGP bus itself will still have its unique slot and probably be pumped up (as it is in the PCI AGP standards) which means it has quite the potential for running a whole heck of a lot faster than 66MHz
As for all that, believe it or not, the reason AGP graphics couldn't run at full saturation before was BECAUSE of the 33MHz PCI bus that the 66MHz AGP bus was a member of, running full bandwidth saturation would have killed even the fastest computer.
That's all gonna chance I imagine, so XDR Rambus and PCI-X may make a happy married couple, considering they both run on the same serial-computer principal. Say goodbye to Parallel anything :P
I wanna see Serial Multiprocessing, so I can use 10+ CPU's on a direct band :p
And as usual, correct me if I'm wrong :):t
As for all that, believe it or not, the reason AGP graphics couldn't run at full saturation before was BECAUSE of the 33MHz PCI bus that the 66MHz AGP bus was a member of, running full bandwidth saturation would have killed even the fastest computer.
That's all gonna chance I imagine, so XDR Rambus and PCI-X may make a happy married couple, considering they both run on the same serial-computer principal. Say goodbye to Parallel anything :P
I wanna see Serial Multiprocessing, so I can use 10+ CPU's on a direct band :p
And as usual, correct me if I'm wrong :):t
$1500-P4 gamer
07-18-2003, 02:33 AM
"The memory speed on the video card will still be limited by the AGP BUS itself which runs at 66mhz"
Come again? Thats agp transfers which are hardly seen anyhow. Not video mem. The video mem holds data near gpu for quick access. SO it DOESNT have to go through agp port to get from system mem when its demanded. It does it ahead of time so its already there ready for use. Kinda like L1 and l2 to a cpu - the prediction stuff and etc. on which data to hold longest.
"As for 18X, why? 8X and even 4X almost never reached, I don't care what your CAPABILITY is."
For the same reasons I said above. The more video mem we have the less it needs that stupid agp bus for on the fly transfers. 4x had next to nill increase in real speed over 2x. Its just for the power changes in port nothing more. So the more and faster mem we have the less agp transfer is used. Hence the 128mb cards-256mb cards and 512mb workstation ones that will eventually also be mainstream mem size. This fast ram will help the gpu just like ddr did. If what you said was true about the agp bus and it worked that way for real(thank god it doesnt) then the move from sdr to ddr years ago would have made no dif in video speed. But alas it did- a huge dif. And so would this. Thing about seriel mem is it allows huge gobs of speed as no cross talk but it also makes other problems. Like latency issues that it has to overwhelm with its other strong points. Think of this as rambus pc1200 on steriods.:t
Come again? Thats agp transfers which are hardly seen anyhow. Not video mem. The video mem holds data near gpu for quick access. SO it DOESNT have to go through agp port to get from system mem when its demanded. It does it ahead of time so its already there ready for use. Kinda like L1 and l2 to a cpu - the prediction stuff and etc. on which data to hold longest.
"As for 18X, why? 8X and even 4X almost never reached, I don't care what your CAPABILITY is."
For the same reasons I said above. The more video mem we have the less it needs that stupid agp bus for on the fly transfers. 4x had next to nill increase in real speed over 2x. Its just for the power changes in port nothing more. So the more and faster mem we have the less agp transfer is used. Hence the 128mb cards-256mb cards and 512mb workstation ones that will eventually also be mainstream mem size. This fast ram will help the gpu just like ddr did. If what you said was true about the agp bus and it worked that way for real(thank god it doesnt) then the move from sdr to ddr years ago would have made no dif in video speed. But alas it did- a huge dif. And so would this. Thing about seriel mem is it allows huge gobs of speed as no cross talk but it also makes other problems. Like latency issues that it has to overwhelm with its other strong points. Think of this as rambus pc1200 on steriods.:t
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