cwin
06-17-2003, 11:39 AM
Hacking, DVD ripping, it wont work, all it means is casual users wont be able to watch it, anyone with a slight knowledge of computers would find some way around it. :t
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AllGamer
06-17-2003, 12:20 PM
that's CRAZY whom ever though of that watched too much spy tv shows :rolleyes:
no one will buy much less RENT something so stoooooooopit
most time i rent a movie from Blockbuster and i don't have time to watch it until several days later. .... sigh..... )-| RIAA and their ways...... :x
when will they learn?
no one will buy much less RENT something so stoooooooopit
most time i rent a movie from Blockbuster and i don't have time to watch it until several days later. .... sigh..... )-| RIAA and their ways...... :x
when will they learn?
zeebs
06-17-2003, 06:40 PM
So it self destructs in 48hrs...to bad it only takes about 20minutes to rip a dvd, the only thing they're doing is wasting money.
iceblue
06-17-2003, 11:38 PM
whata outrage!
Paco103
06-18-2003, 01:57 AM
Never work, DVD burners are getting cheaper and better, just like CD burners did (duh :p ). For the people that don't have a burner yet, it's still easy enough to rip one and compress to DivX overnight (only takes 20 minutes like was said to rip the files straight). Plus, rental places won't buy them. They couldn't afford it. They buy a movie and rent it out many times. Even if they sold the destructables for $1 each. . . so long for $1 days. And what about BlockBusters 5 day rentals? It only lasts 48 hours? If they didn't spend so much money trying to stop us, they wouldn't have to save the money from the few copies here and there. When will they figure it out? The people that protect it do it for the big bucks the companies pay them. The people that crack it do it for the fun, challenge, and love of what they do.
If a programmer can protect it, another one can crack it
Give up Corp. America. Settle for your 75% profit margin as pure profit, instead of investing it all in copy protection. How much was spent studying the Self-Destructing DVDs?
If a programmer can protect it, another one can crack it
Give up Corp. America. Settle for your 75% profit margin as pure profit, instead of investing it all in copy protection. How much was spent studying the Self-Destructing DVDs?
wapazoid
06-18-2003, 03:00 AM
:p OMG. That has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I've ever read about. It's about as ridiculous as copy-protecting audio cd's. It's futile research and implementation such as a *sigh* self-destructing DVD that contributes to the higher cost of multimedia for honest consumers. Yes, we still exist. Truth is, the casual "pirate" will always exist as well...regardless of any deterants the MPAA and RIAA concoct. Infiltrate our computers connected to the net, regardless if we use p2p networks and newsgroups? Build a cheaper box just for internet use and keep the encoding/ripping/authoring rig offline. Take away file sharing networks and people will just revert back to what they were doing 5 years ago...trading via snail mail. Copy protect Norah Jones' CD? Ever hear of line-in encoding? Jack the prices up on our DVD's and CD's? Boycott, baby. :rolleyes: Just my take on things.
Terminator
06-18-2003, 09:24 AM
If they spent more time reducing the costs of their DVD's instead of trying to stop us copying them then they wouldn't have to worry too much about 'illegal' copies.
They can try and stop us copying with whatever methods they want but give us time and we'll crack any protection they think up.
These guys have no idea about the real world they should get out more. I think they've watched too many Mission Impossible movies on 'this dvd will self-destruct in 5 seconds'
Bring the DVD's down to about £5 and people would be more likely to buy them.
CD sales hear in the UK are at all time lows and this is mainly due to them costing too much. My computer will MP3 a CD in about 4 minutes. Yes they are originals but much handier having them on MP3.
Final word...reduce the costs you idiots then people won't copy them as much.
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They can try and stop us copying with whatever methods they want but give us time and we'll crack any protection they think up.
These guys have no idea about the real world they should get out more. I think they've watched too many Mission Impossible movies on 'this dvd will self-destruct in 5 seconds'
Bring the DVD's down to about £5 and people would be more likely to buy them.
CD sales hear in the UK are at all time lows and this is mainly due to them costing too much. My computer will MP3 a CD in about 4 minutes. Yes they are originals but much handier having them on MP3.
Final word...reduce the costs you idiots then people won't copy them as much.
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:t
Clive
06-18-2003, 11:33 AM
If I can't rip it, I don't like it.
CJE-P
06-18-2003, 12:22 PM
It could get worse (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6241-2003Jun17.html) before it gets better.
wapazoid
06-18-2003, 01:50 PM
"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.
Bring it on. This would never work out for them. Imagine the thousands of lawsuits that would arise over the so-called "destruction" of user's personal computers. Who would make the authorized call to pinpoint a single computer and start manipulating files? The only "smoking gun" proof of illegal downloading would be a log file, which isn't exactly gold during a prosecution. I detect a stench of the term "abuse of power" here. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the RIAA & MPAA suddenly became an even bigger target to hacker groups worldwide if they pulled that ****. $4.99 music CDs, and $9.99 DVDs (even for the special, special, ultra-mega editions...gawd...), and piracy wouldn't be a problem. Sales would skyrocket, and these groups could finally turn to more relevant issues with consumer multimedia...quality assurance. ;)
Bring it on. This would never work out for them. Imagine the thousands of lawsuits that would arise over the so-called "destruction" of user's personal computers. Who would make the authorized call to pinpoint a single computer and start manipulating files? The only "smoking gun" proof of illegal downloading would be a log file, which isn't exactly gold during a prosecution. I detect a stench of the term "abuse of power" here. LOL, I wouldn't be surprised if the RIAA & MPAA suddenly became an even bigger target to hacker groups worldwide if they pulled that ****. $4.99 music CDs, and $9.99 DVDs (even for the special, special, ultra-mega editions...gawd...), and piracy wouldn't be a problem. Sales would skyrocket, and these groups could finally turn to more relevant issues with consumer multimedia...quality assurance. ;)
wapazoid
06-18-2003, 02:14 PM
Now this (http://www.zeropaid.com/news/articles/auto/06162003h.php) is more like it.
Paco103
06-18-2003, 02:18 PM
What about people that download seemingly illegal music legally.
Some people download music to CD's they own for a solid state player to jog with, because they lack the knowledge to rip their own. Isn't that legal? They have the CD, they just want it in an alternate format.
And I had a tape that I liked eaten by an old player. I still have the case and shredded cartridge as proof - aren't I legal to download those songs again, and make a new tape?
From the outside these actions would all look illegal, because we are downloading copyrighted materials. . . BUT we have a license to use them!
The Boston Tea Party may be dead in the physical "New World" - but the internet is an all "New World" to have one in, and I can see it coming.
"RIAA unkowningly trashes hackers computer, who in return trashes theirs, along with their bank accounts"
Cracks are often considered illegal too, but I use them a lot because I use a laptop at school. I don't want to carry around CD's so I can play in a boring lecture class. . . . I mean, between classes at the union ;)
Some people download music to CD's they own for a solid state player to jog with, because they lack the knowledge to rip their own. Isn't that legal? They have the CD, they just want it in an alternate format.
And I had a tape that I liked eaten by an old player. I still have the case and shredded cartridge as proof - aren't I legal to download those songs again, and make a new tape?
From the outside these actions would all look illegal, because we are downloading copyrighted materials. . . BUT we have a license to use them!
The Boston Tea Party may be dead in the physical "New World" - but the internet is an all "New World" to have one in, and I can see it coming.
"RIAA unkowningly trashes hackers computer, who in return trashes theirs, along with their bank accounts"
Cracks are often considered illegal too, but I use them a lot because I use a laptop at school. I don't want to carry around CD's so I can play in a boring lecture class. . . . I mean, between classes at the union ;)
Terminator
06-18-2003, 02:21 PM
Who the frigging hell do these people thnk they are??? GODS!!!!
I EVER had any damaged done to my machine for WHATEVER reason they'd need Bill Gates lawyers to defend WHEN I have them in court rapid. How can they tell if the copies people have are illegal or not....OK if they monitor peer to peer transfers of what they think are illegal copies then pursue if that what you what....They'll clock up Trillions of airmiles doing it though.
They have just opened a can of worms.....Message for them.... The hackers are on their way.... Can see people roadmapping them already.
These doughballs verses the rest of the web population??? Bring it on :)
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I EVER had any damaged done to my machine for WHATEVER reason they'd need Bill Gates lawyers to defend WHEN I have them in court rapid. How can they tell if the copies people have are illegal or not....OK if they monitor peer to peer transfers of what they think are illegal copies then pursue if that what you what....They'll clock up Trillions of airmiles doing it though.
They have just opened a can of worms.....Message for them.... The hackers are on their way.... Can see people roadmapping them already.
These doughballs verses the rest of the web population??? Bring it on :)
T
:t
Paco103
06-18-2003, 08:05 PM
Amen Terminator :)
Hellhound
06-19-2003, 11:15 PM
:rolleyes:
I think some of these corporate dogs are just looking to make some money move. I figure someone watched Mission Impossible 2 and thought the whole " this message will self destruct" bit was a gas. I dont think anyones gonna buy into that ****.
I think some of these corporate dogs are just looking to make some money move. I figure someone watched Mission Impossible 2 and thought the whole " this message will self destruct" bit was a gas. I dont think anyones gonna buy into that ****.
RayH
06-21-2003, 10:34 AM
The main point of the greed of the movie studios is not to prevent copying, as much as it is to cut off the rental shops. Instead of just a single sale to the rental shops, the studios plan to be their own distribution network!
Aarmenaa
06-21-2003, 12:19 PM
Heh-I heard about those DVDs. They made me wonder how many people are sharing full length movies on the internet now, and how big that community will be before long.
As for destroying my computer, they can try to do anything they want to my computer, but I'm behind a router, a firewall, and pretty good virus protection. I have an old Pentium 200 MMX that just monitors ports all day (it's set as the DMZ on my router). It'll light up like a Christmas tree if anyone starts scanning ports. Granted, it may not stop them long, but they can't stop me from unplugging my internet connection, and there's plenty of time to do that.
-aarmenaa
As for destroying my computer, they can try to do anything they want to my computer, but I'm behind a router, a firewall, and pretty good virus protection. I have an old Pentium 200 MMX that just monitors ports all day (it's set as the DMZ on my router). It'll light up like a Christmas tree if anyone starts scanning ports. Granted, it may not stop them long, but they can't stop me from unplugging my internet connection, and there's plenty of time to do that.
-aarmenaa
ukulele
06-21-2003, 06:03 PM
This is all about consumerism. It has little to do with the illegal copy market. The industry wants a product that gives them control of the end user market, not the rental companies. Figure it like this, if they produce a DVD that is permanent and sell it for $25, and the rental company can buy it and rent it out 100 times for $2.00 each time, the rental company earns the most profit from the production. If the DVD cannot be rented again but only costs the rental company $1.00 to buy it, then they still make a buck on it and if it rents 100 times the production company makes half a buck on each rental which is a much better profit for the production company. The only way the system will work to everybody's advantage is if the cost of the disposable DVD is less then the cost of a rental in the first place. I can't work any other way. There could even be an advantage for the consumer. I personally don't care to watch a movie more then 2 or 3 times, but if I could buy one that I could watch a couple of times for 1/12 of the price of the permanent version, I would rather do that. Do you complain when you buy a bottle of water that does not automatically refill itself? I bet you would if you had to pay $25 dollars for it. ;)
Logan2002
06-22-2003, 12:48 AM
bottom line in the 48 hrs that the data is available people will figure about a way arround it. The idea is stupid.
Heck it might even encorage hacking, and ripping of the 48 hr dvds.
Babo idea. (babo Korean for stupid)
Heck it might even encorage hacking, and ripping of the 48 hr dvds.
Babo idea. (babo Korean for stupid)
andy_tij
06-22-2003, 02:31 PM
yes sir...
levtrix
06-23-2003, 08:46 PM
Mwahahahahahahaha........
I think they should take the Idea of self destrucive DVD further.. and put an explosive in the DVD which will blow up in your face if u will even think about copying it...NICE 1HEH?... i think that would stop me of making a "BACKUP"
:P
I think they should take the Idea of self destrucive DVD further.. and put an explosive in the DVD which will blow up in your face if u will even think about copying it...NICE 1HEH?... i think that would stop me of making a "BACKUP"
:P
Agent_R
06-26-2003, 05:18 AM
Has anyone noticed that all this hooplah sort of started ever since Naptster was featured in some mainstream media article? Before then, we barely ever hear of the RIAA or their "concerns" about piracy.
Personally, I think they were satisfied with their profits until they figured they could squeeze more money out the public by trying to put the P2P concept to pasture. Now that they opened that can of worms, they're crying foul when their sales drop due to the bad impression they've created. (More like a revolt. But what do they expect when they are forcing everyone to pay over $16 for an album where only ONE song is good and the rest of junk?)
Now they are trying a new piracy protection racket with this stupid self-destructing DVD. (Can you imagine the collection of useless DVDs you will have along side of all those AOL CDs? :) )
Just remember folks, these SAME idiots cried foul when VHS/Beta was making its debut. Did it killed the industry like they said it would? Nope. It did the opposite.
Personally, I think they were satisfied with their profits until they figured they could squeeze more money out the public by trying to put the P2P concept to pasture. Now that they opened that can of worms, they're crying foul when their sales drop due to the bad impression they've created. (More like a revolt. But what do they expect when they are forcing everyone to pay over $16 for an album where only ONE song is good and the rest of junk?)
Now they are trying a new piracy protection racket with this stupid self-destructing DVD. (Can you imagine the collection of useless DVDs you will have along side of all those AOL CDs? :) )
Just remember folks, these SAME idiots cried foul when VHS/Beta was making its debut. Did it killed the industry like they said it would? Nope. It did the opposite.
Hobbes
06-27-2003, 03:09 PM
I'm not as technical as you guys, but I do know dvds are made from plastic and plastic comes from oil which is a finite resource. So we'll end up with even more non-degradeable land-fill unless someone figures out a way to make a packet by recycling these white elephants.
Speaking for myself I prefer to rent dvd because they're about £18 new, but no way would I support a system that encourages the disposable society.
Perhaps these corporations should be made wholly responsible for their product, by making them collect and dispose of the rubbish they plan to produce they might decide their profit margin is ok as it is.
I also agree with RayH. This is about distribution, power and control.:t
Speaking for myself I prefer to rent dvd because they're about £18 new, but no way would I support a system that encourages the disposable society.
Perhaps these corporations should be made wholly responsible for their product, by making them collect and dispose of the rubbish they plan to produce they might decide their profit margin is ok as it is.
I also agree with RayH. This is about distribution, power and control.:t
juandeez
06-28-2003, 04:12 AM
This reminds me of DIVX a few years ago... Remember these DVDs that cost like 5 bucks, but you could only watch them a few times? You had this special player that connected to your phone line that would connect to some system that would either bill you, or charge your credit card if you watched these DVDs more than you were supposed to. This idea did not catch on, thankfully. People knew it was a trick, and they rejected it. I'm sure that people will see the same in these new "self-destructing DVDs" and reject them as well. It's completely stupid. Most people could care less about "pirating" movies. They just want to pay their few bucks, and enjoy the movie. They don't need to feel like they are criminals while doing it.
mireland
07-06-2003, 10:20 PM
What a stupid idea. First off who RENTS when they can buy the stupid movie 3-6 months after a movie is released at your local Wal Mart for 20 bucks..and second, what a waste of time and resources. When I first read this topic I was thinking the discs exploded or something..now THAT would be neat! :rolleyes:
What a bunch of idiots, they can come up with Gay ideas like this but they can't cure MS or the common cold..http://www.steroidology.com/forum/images/smilies/redhot.gif
What a bunch of idiots, they can come up with Gay ideas like this but they can't cure MS or the common cold..http://www.steroidology.com/forum/images/smilies/redhot.gif
Paco103
07-06-2003, 11:41 PM
?!?! I rent for $1 at our local rental place. Or <$3 if it's not dollar day, even for new releases. That definitely beats the $20 to buy it - but that's cause I (and most people) will only watch movies once. If it's really good, or one I know I want, THEN I'll buy it.
Logan2002
07-07-2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by mireland
What a stupid idea. First off who RENTS when they can buy the stupid movie 3-6 months after a movie is released at your local Wal Mart for 20 bucks..and second, what a waste of time and resources. When I first read this topic I was thinking the discs exploded or something..now THAT would be neat! :rolleyes:
What a bunch of idiots, they can come up with Gay ideas like this but they can't cure MS or the common cold..http://www.steroidology.com/forum/images/smilies/redhot.gif
I totally agree. Besides as was stated earlier by me and others people will find a way to work arround it!!
The idea is total bs! :rolleyes:
What a stupid idea. First off who RENTS when they can buy the stupid movie 3-6 months after a movie is released at your local Wal Mart for 20 bucks..and second, what a waste of time and resources. When I first read this topic I was thinking the discs exploded or something..now THAT would be neat! :rolleyes:
What a bunch of idiots, they can come up with Gay ideas like this but they can't cure MS or the common cold..http://www.steroidology.com/forum/images/smilies/redhot.gif
I totally agree. Besides as was stated earlier by me and others people will find a way to work arround it!!
The idea is total bs! :rolleyes:
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