help building a gaming computer

[Darktoad]

I've recently found the vast superiority of computer games (vs. console games) but lack a computer properly equipped to handle modern computer games.

After some shopping, I've decided to build my own computer.

(I've found that building a computer on your own is much, much cheaper than getting one off the shelf. (right?))

Unfortunately, I know almost nothing about anything when it comes to computer parts (what's needed, what's best, what's cheapest, where to go, etc.)

Any help on this would be great!

[AllGamer]

minimum 512 Mb of RAM

and try to get at least an ATI 9800, it well worth the extra bucks in the long run

any cpu above 1.5 Ghz and hdd space you like

:t

[Bigjakkstaffa]

and try to get at least an ATI 9800,

At least... you cant get any faster, well until the FX5900 arrives :x

Mobo: Asus A7n8x Deluxe
Mem: 512mb good quality PC2700 (from crucial etc)
gfx: Radeon 9500 Pro 128mb minimum
CPU: Amd XP2500+ barton

that should serve as a decent platform

--Jakk:t

[Darktoad]

At the risk of sounding stupid, what is an ATI 9800? This is all new to me. What does gfx and Mobo stand for? (I've got to start somewhere)

[Bob43]

Not so sure about building one being a lot cheaper than buying a pre-built system. Add up the cost of your components and then look at the price of a comparable name-brand PC to see how you're doing. Make sure to include the cost of the operating system, monitor, and any peripherals that would come with the PC (mouse, keyboard, cables, etc.)

General component list:
CPU
Heat sink (if not using stock)
Memory
PC Case/Power Supply (don't go too cheap on this)
Motherboard
Video Card
Sound Card (probably built-in is OK)
Network Card (again, may use built-in)
Hard Drive
CD-ROM/CD-RW
Case Fans
Monitor
Keyboard
Mouse
Modem

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Oh dear, the ATi radeon 9800 PPRo is just about the fastest graphics card goign at the moment. Just enter the words 'radeon 9800 pro review' into google.com's search and you'll get an idea of how fast it is :x

--Jakk:t

[AllGamer]

Most of the Stuff that BOB said can be RECYCLED from the old PC

so what you really need NEW is just the

CPU
Mobo
RAM
Video card

and what we said earlier is good, and will keep you going for at least year to 2 year before any other upgrade

:t

[Nails9inmyhead]

Invest in a good motherboard that is very upgradable. If you lack an very upgradable mobo, youll be kicking yourself. That means,

-several slots for RAM (use DDR RAM, there are different speeds of it, ask a salesman),NO SDRAM like "133"!
-a board that can use an Intel chip with Hyper Threading (you dont need this chip but get a board that supports it for the future, and many pople here like AMD better-whatever!) some1 mentioned a decent speed beforehand that was like 1.5 or 1.8 which are okay for now and awhile longer
-a FX nNvida card (not geforce 3 or 4) or an ATI card like these other guys said, i dont know ATI that well. There are several types of FX cards, FX"MX##" are the cheaper end. whatever you can affort thats "FX"
-a KDS or Viewsonic monitor gets you a lot for your buck. Flat screen = antiglare but thats it and you pay plenty for that benefit
dont get a LCD screen (its that really narrow flat panel thing). You can get KDS at walmart (i hate to say it, thats the only thing you might get at that store for your computer.
-Get a hard drive that spins at 7200 revs per minute with a good 8 meg cache . you dont need mutiple drives and RAID or SATA. just one good, fast, drive for some1 one a budget.

[Logan2002]

If you can afford more ram above 512Mb then it is a real plus.
Some of my demanding games already eat up 300-360megs.
So figure that xp eats up ram (that is if you want to use that os)
then try and aim for more.

But many people here like win 98 se for gaming. Not me. I hate the one program goes koo koo and you have to reboot because after you close the offending program you get that damm blue screen. Also XP supports more ram. I think win 2000 is also a good choice (less resource hungry).

So all in all in my opinion win 2000 with a minimum of 512MB DDR the more the better.

[Beeblequix]

Darktoad,

1stly, welcome to Sysopt.

2ndly, I had a whole schpiel typed up for you. But then I read it and realized that *yet again* I'll confuse someone beyond repair.

What you should do is not build your own. You're not going to manage that, then you'll get turned off to pc's. My advice is that you go down to a popular custom builder of good repute in your area. Please for dog's sake do not buy a Compaq, Hewlett Packard, Packard [-]ell, Sony, or even Gateway or Dell. Actually the latter two are ok in my book. But a custom builder will still do better than any proprietary system.

http://www.totallyawesome.com/guide.htm

This is a guide for the custom builder in my area that I've used. If you know how to build it, then do it. Otherwise read this and try to follow its advice. It'll help n00bies come to terms with present day technology.

ß

[BiG MiKeY]

I dont often do this.. but for gaming ure better off buying an intel chip (please hold the flaming)... operating some opengl games(quake3 ,jedi outcast) ull be better off wit the intel... 2nd, if u mess up on a heatsink install wit a P4 (yes pentium 4) u wont fry ure components it was designed to be nearly idiot proof. If u will get a pentium then i say go ahead build ure system and dont look bak.

Personally i use AMD there is noting wrong wit them. they only thing u have to worry about is cooling. however with an AMD u have to be alot more careful during the installation process. But u will save a hell lot more money goin the amd route.

3 things to remeber..

1) if ure gonna play online make shure u have a good connection
2)Never buy LATEST AND GR8EST..... ull only waste ure money.. often a 10% increase in performance is 50% increase in price..
3) if ure gonna build ure system read as much as possible about it.. its not that hard im an idiot (just look at my grammer) i can build a computer


If i was building a computer today,

ASUS a7n8x
amd 2500
2x256 of ram (pc3200)
ati 9700 or 9500pro

[Darktoad]

I've found a reliable, eight-month old used Dell computer that should work well, it's only problems are its graphics card and its RAM, I think. It has a ATI 32 MB graphics card and 256 MB of RAM. For a graphics card, should I go to 64 MB or 128MB? (I think I'll get an nNvidea.) And do I need to upgrade to 512 MB of RAM?

[Bigjakkstaffa]

For a graphics card, should I go to 64 MB or 128MB? (I think I'll get an nNvidea.) And do I need to upgrade to 512 MB of RAM?

128mb gfx, if you must go nvidia make sure you get a gf4 'ti' card, as for the system RAM, upping it to 512mb would be a good idea

--Jakk:t

[Radi0h3ad]

What you should do is not build your own. You're not going to manage that

I wouldnt say that personally, I didnt know a thing about comps ( no exxageration, I knew nothing ) and I've built the system i use now from scratch, and ive learnt loads by doing it.
All that's needed is the will to learn and some1 who knows what they're doing giving you the odd helping hand along the way.
My system is primarily for gaming, but it's not really a state of the art machine any more... :(

But anyway, I say build it yourself.. :t

[Beeblequix]

BiG MiKeY,

What OpenGL problems have you had with Q3 & JKII? I've run both of these on Athlon XP's, one with VIA and one with Nvidia chipset. Never even had so much as a hiccup. ?

And Darktoad, you say you've found a reliable Dell 8 month old...can you post a link to its description please. We'd like to see if it's sufficient. I'd hate to pair you up with a P4 SDRAM based system for gaming.

Windows XP needs 256 meg to run correctly. 512 is ideal. I manage with 256 myself though, but game mostly on my 98 partition.

I'm all for people building themselves, if they have the aptitude. If they don't please take no offence. I lack the aptitude for, hmmmm, well anything to do with everything-but-computers....:rolleyes: @ self.

How much are you willing to spend on a gaming rig? My first one I invested over $2000. Today you can build a great rig for $600, and a superior one for $1500.

[Logan2002]

go ahead and try it. It is fun and very rewarding to build your own pc. Even if you make mistakes. Here we all will help you. When built my first I got alot of help. Now I have built four, and will be doing a fifth later this year.

[cbh]

If you want to save money, try to use second-hand stuff.

For example:

1) CDROM

2) CDRW

3) Casing

4) Power Supply

5) Sound Card

6) Floppy Drive

The rest need to be new ones.

:t

[Darktoad]

I was wondering also about motherboard slots. How many should I have? What are they good for? (I'm thinking of one with 2 slots).

(The computer i'll get is a Dell Dimension 4550 that was bought in october 2002. (pent 4- 2.2Ghz, 32 MB ATI Rage 128 Ultra, 40 Gb harddrive, 256 MB of RAM.)

[oboeman2002]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob43
[B]Not so sure about building one being a lot cheaper than buying a pre-built system. Add up the cost of your components and then look at the price of a comparable name-brand PC to see how you're doing. Make sure to include the cost of the operating system, monitor, and any peripherals that would come with the PC (mouse, keyboard, cables, etc.)


it might not be cheaper but hey! u know ure getting name brand stuff...cuase like dell.....they MOSTLY give u generic ****

:D

[Izdaari]

That particular Dell will do fine. Upgrade the video to a Ti4200 128mb, get 512mb RAM, and you've got a gaming computer.

Then plan on building your own for the next one. It isn't necessarily the cheapest way to go, but it is how you get the best quality without spending a fortune. Buy this book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596003536/qid=1056427191/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-7580044-7763866?v=glance&s=books) ( <--- Link) and read it, and then you'll be ready.

[Beeblequix]

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,109738,00.asp

Here's link to a similar Dimension 4550.

Yes, lose the video card. The Rage 128 Ultra was a good card back in the days of Voodoo but today it won't cut the 3-D mustard. 2-D quality is pretty good though.

What games do you have your eyes on for this gaming rig?

[oboeman2002]

do u reccomend any other good books izdarri?

[Recordlord]

All you need to get right here.

ASUS A7N8X Motherboard (Deluxe is a few dollars more)
2 x 256M Geil PC 3200 (get the heat spreaders)
AMD XP 2500+ 333 FSB (Barton)
Video Card ATI 9000 Pro (it will run any game out there)
CASE (Bigger the better)
Optical mouse (must have)
350 watt PS
Teac CD/DVD (cheap and good)
Western Digital has a very good HDD for $77 -->WD600JB

[Solkin]

Originally posted by Bigjakkstaffa


At least... you cant get any faster, well until the FX5900 arrives :x





Gotta Love Playing Leap-Frog! :r

[Solkin]

For Best performance for price on Video cards, I like Asus or MSI's Ti4200's or ATI's 9600. Them are nice cards. :)

[Bigjakkstaffa]

I wouldnt suggest the ti4200 or r9600 for a new system, neither are especially quick by todays standards and although both overclock well it still aint really enough. Entry level card now IMo is the r9500 Pro

--Jakk:t

[VaCreeper]

At any rate...the man has come to the right place. This forum is super!:D

Creeper

EP 8RDA
AMD XP 2600+
512 MB Crucial PC3200 DDR
(2) Maxtor Diamondmax HDD
MS XP Pro/MS 98SE
Albatron GF4 ti4200 turbo
U.S. Robotics Gamer Modem
Audigy II
Creative 5.1

[Izdaari]

Originally posted by oboeman2002
do u reccomend any other good books izdarri? Sure! Aside from PC Hardware in a Nutshell, I highly recommend everybody read The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. Oh, did you mean computer books? PCHiaN is actually the only hardware book I think most people need, and the 3rd edition is due out Real Soon Now. (They're in the final editing stages.)