Good HTML programs???

[nosed_b18b]

What are the programs that you guys use or recommend for web page design??? I'm somewhat of an amateur. I used to do this kinda stuff a long time ago, and I just lately started getting interested in it again. Got my own domain and everything.:D :x CAn you guys tell that my life is pretty boring now??? Anyways, just let me know what you guys use. I want something that's pretty easy to use but also have some good advanced features. I am currently thinking about using XP frontpage for the whole site. What do you guys think???

[AllGamer]

Notepad.exe :D

:t

for real, it's the best way to learn

i started with that tool

[nothing]

I wrote my website (http://www.geocities.com/nothingplace/ ) using notepad. It is my favorite tool for a lot of stuff.

[frnkzks]

I don't think that's the kinda advice he was looking for. I used a software called HotDog back in 1995.

You can always do a search on Google.

Notepad is for people who don't know how to use a real computer.

[bassman]

Originally posted by frnkzks
Notepad is for people who don't know how to use a real computer.
How's that??? :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

nosed_b18b: A "What You See Is What You Get" like MS Frontpage, Macromedia Dreamweaver and others is quite useful in a load of situations (I use Frontpage to design tables, and adjust them using Notepad). In this situation, my vote goes for Dreamweaver, as it's quite complete, simple and delivers great control on your creation. A text editor like Notepad allows you pure control of your code: to learn more about HTML visit http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp (http://http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp). Also check out CSS coding, it's quite useful for advanced design. But if you'll be editing pure HTML/CSS, you can always get an HTML editor (it's like a text editor designed for HTML text ;) ) like these: http://download.com.com/3120-20-0-1-0.html?qt=HTML%2Beditor&author=&titlename=&desc=&dlcount=&daysback=&swlink=&os=128&li=&dlsize=&ca=

Hope I helped! :)

[chubtub]

I use HomeSite and like it. I believe that it has been bought out and now is part of the dream weaver suite.

I always used text based programs to write the code. Too many times the WYSIWYG's have messed up the code.

[r8500]

Notepad is for people who don't know how to use a real computer. [/B]

You have to be kidding. Anybody can use a program like Frontpage to make a site, but it takes talent, and knowledge, and patience to be able to use notepad.

[ahzl]

LoL
I started my first web site by writing it out through notepad before discovering MS Frontpage, and Dreamweaver. Personally, I'd recommend Macromedia's Dreamweaver. It can create tables, and it has tight integration with its other multimedia products like Macromedia Flash. Extremely handy if you are creating pages with flash presentations in a desired position! I find it relatively easy to use, and more convenient than Frontpage... though that's jsut my opinion - everyone's preferences are different.

[nosed_b18b]

It's just that Frontpage is free!!!:p

[r8500]

Originally posted by nosed_b18b
It's just that Frontpage is free!!!:p

How so?

[bahama llama]

I would recommend Dreamweaver. It's as simple or complex as you would like and doesn't add all the extra **** tags like FrontPage does. I prefer to use DreamWeaver for overall design and then tweak it with notepad and add scripting and stuff by hand. Hope this helps, Don.:t

[ahzl]

r8500,
I think that what nosed_b18b meant about front page was the limited edition. With the earlier version(s) of Windows (95 & 98 i think), Microsoft included Microsoft Frontpage 97, but it had limited functionality... it's been a while since I last used Frontpage anyways. GO Dreamweaver! lol :D

[nosed_b18b]

Sorry if it wasn't clear, but I already have Office XP via father.:D
I was just wondering, if maybe there was something better than this, considering I am using this free of charge. I do have a basic knowledge of html because, like I said in an earlier post, I used to do this a while ago.

[causticVapor]

I have used notepad since day one. Never ever used frontpage or (god forbid) Netscape Crimposer after seeing how much they fubarized the code... I must admit, however, that frontpage did generate much cleaner code than composer...

I also had a run with dreamweaver, but that was a cumbersome pain in the ***, so now I only use it to insert flash stuff and administer the site via ftp (IMHO much better than ws_ftp for web pages..)

In summary, notepad is the quickest and easiest. IT has been much improved since the 98 days when keyboard shortcuts for common commands were virtually nonexistent.

[causticVapor]

Originally posted by bassman

How's that??? :confused: :confused: :rolleyes:

nosed_b18b: A "What You See Is What You Get" like MS Frontpage, Macromedia Dreamweaver and others is quite useful in a load of situations (I use Frontpage to design tables, and adjust them using Notepad). In this situation, my vote goes for Dreamweaver, as it's quite complete, simple and delivers great control on your creation. A text editor like Notepad allows you pure control of your code: to learn more about HTML visit http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp (http://http://www.w3schools.com/html/default.asp). Also check out CSS coding, it's quite useful for advanced design. But if you'll be editing pure HTML/CSS, you can always get an HTML editor (it's like a text editor designed for HTML text ;) ) like these: http://download.com.com/3120-20-0-1-0.html?qt=HTML%2Beditor&author=&titlename=&desc=&dlcount=&daysback=&swlink=&os=128&li=&dlsize=&ca=

Hope I helped! :)

For mass bulk, yes, I can see how that helps. But with a site like mine, everything has to be kept in tight check because there are so many scripts and styles (very complicated albeit good-looking gui/navigation system.)

Personally, I like being familiar with the code on a page I've designed. Human written code in many areas has unique attributes to it that frontpage will never be able to generate (expect in rather simple circumstances, such as tables.)

[causticVapor]

Originally posted by frnkzks
I don't think that's the kinda advice he was looking for. I used a software called HotDog back in 1995.

You can always do a search on Google.

Notepad is for people who don't know how to use a real computer.

Actually hotdog was one of my favorite apps. I rarely ever let it generate code for me but the ability to code a page real-time has always intrigued me.

With hotdog, I always knew my site was up-to-date the minute I edited it. :)

Too bad that was years ago, now I'm back to notepad......

[frnkzks]

I was talking about emacs

[causticVapor]

Notepad and emacs are two wildly different text editors. How am I supposed to assume Notepad=emacs? :p

Originally posted by frnkzks
I don't think that's the kinda advice he was looking for. I used a software called HotDog back in 1995.

You can always do a search on Google.

Notepad is for people who don't know how to use a real computer.

[AllGamer]

me too i was using notepad then HOtDog and then back to Notepad, then to Front Page, then to HotDog, then to DreamWeaber, then back to Notepad, and welll i've decided to stay with Notepad

is a lot CLEANER, and you know exactely all the codes and lines you want or do not want

and you can line it up the way you want it, without some stupid program rearranging anything out in your code

:t

[ShawnD1]

i learned HTML by using Dream Weaver and Mozilla then reading the source it created. from that you can learn what the tags mean and you'll see how inefficient Dreamweaver and Mozilla really are. instead of making a 10kb page, they will make a 20kb page - very inefficient.

i use 1st Page 2000 to edit my code. it's just like notepad but it actually indents nicely. if you hit enter while on an indented line, the next line will be indented the same amount... it keeps the code easy to read. tags are also color coded so you can see if a tag has not been closed; eg. everything between <a> tags is in red, so if you don't see an end to the red it means you forgot to make a closing tag ;)
http://www.evrsoft.com/

[bassman]

Originally posted by ShawnD1
i learned HTML by using Dream Weaver and Mozilla then reading the source it created.
Yep, the Web is (almost) free, so reading source code and realizing what it does also helps out a lot

[dderolph]

Apparently, you have the version of Office XP that includes Front Page. If that's the case, I would say you might as well go ahead and use it. Some of the comments here about FP adding certain code to pages that you would not see in an html file created with Notepad are true. Still, FP, or Dreamweaver, or Home Site [as someone said, acquired by Dreamweaver], are tools that relieve the burden of manually entering all code, as you would have to do with Notepad. If you are familiar with Word, you'll probably find FP fairly easy to learn. And, you can work directly with the code if you wish, by going to the HTML view in FP.

[rick42]

I agree with the others that use a direct editor. I have used WYSIWYG editors, like hotdog, etc., but I also need to know the source code behind them.

Personally, I use Gvim (a *nix vi editor , but with colour coding for tags, comments, etc).

You can use WYSIWYG products which "know" when the file is updated and show the reults when you click back to them from your "real" editor. This is my preference.

:t

[optic_pro1430]

Personally, I prefer to use a WYSIWYG program. I'd rather make my job easier, than harder. But if I had more time, then maybe I could learn it by getting my hands dirty with raw HTML...:D