Freedom

[burnup]

one thing i don't get is that those who protest against this war, i'm sure, loves their freedom. but guess how they are keeping their freedom, through the help of freedom loving soldiers like our troops! i don't like war, i feel afraid for the American soldiers, but in order to have a continuing era of freedom, sacrifices must be met! Sadam pose a great danger to our every day freedom and no one else is standing up against him, not France, not Russia, not Germany! BUT America was brave enough to stand on Sadams way to help rescue ppl in oppression under Sadam and help continue the life of freedom that some Americans have taken so much for granted! but i guess its a conundrum, if we are to continously have freedom, ppl like war protestors will aways be here because they have that freedom to do so.. they don't realize though that their freedom to assemble and to free speech was given to them thru people who faught for freedom (Revolution, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Nam etc...)
WAR results in death, but thats how its been since the beginning of the world. Some use war out of ignorance (like hitler), but really a war, for our country at least, means to kill off that cancer called Sadam, before it spreads and kills the rest of us (not just Iraq'n ppl)!

One cannot expect for ppl like Sadam to just die out...

[Optimus Prime]

What about British troops? Why do most Americans just forget about them?

[burnup]

i'm sorry haha, yeah i mean the whole allies. not just America :)
my apologies.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

Although your other examples are good, i fail to see how nam had anything to do with freedom, more than anything it was a fight against the "evils" of communism. Even the ppl you were fighting to 'liberate' in many cases were workign against you

--Jakk:t

[burnup]

Bigjakkstaffa,

i did for a while hesitated to put down Nam, but you gotta realize that although most will fail to recognize that war as a fight for freedom, thousands of American soldiers did die believing that that war was for freedom. one cannot just say that the veterans that sacrificed their lifes fought and died for nothing. its a simple respect and honor to those who believe in what they were fighting for, not the corruption or political skewedness that laid in the background. respect.

what is the worth of fighting for freedom when its not in their heart. i do believe that it was on every freedom loving man, women, soldier who died in wars of past and of course in these times. even if those beliefs got broken down or trampled due to the nature of war.

[Bigjakkstaffa]

If anything i feel for those who faught in Nam', they went out into a boiling hell hole, did a job they had no say in, and then were treat appalingly upon their return home. The average grunt out humping a pack all day whilst having to contend with one of the best Geurilla counter insurgency forces ever has no say in the way a war is fought or what wars they fight, they just do what theyre told.

Although i still dont see Nam as a war for freedom, the guys who went out their and did a job, and many of whom didnt come home deserve a lot more respect than they recieved from the american public.

--Jakk:t

[BadBadNeil]

not to mention the emotional impact. my uncle was on the ground in vietnam and still wont talk about it to this day. plus hes got cancer like a lot of the troops that went there. I'd like to think he fought for something.

You can't expect to win a protestor over though. Protestors are the hardcore. I'm sure a lot of people question the war but the hardcore people are the ones who drive and fly miles just to hold a sign burn flags and cause mischief.

If you really count the numbers protestors are a minescule number of the population and should be treated as such. I think the government gives them too much leeway as it is. If they start blocking my way to work I think i should have the right to run over them. Sure they have the right to protest but dont we also have the right to live life without having to see them?

[Billforce]

The most tragic thing about the Vietnam war was the micro-mangement by Washington who were trying to be politically correct and still present a plausible attempt at winning the war.

It was a well known fact that Vietnam could have been stopped in it's tracks has we unleashed the dogs of war against the infrastructure but wouldn´t because of world public opinion.
I witnessed a hillside just south of Inchon in Korea where the Americans had virtually destroyed the entire infrastructure to the point where not even 1 tree was left standing, it was as barren as the Araqi desert but once had been covered with vegitation. It no longer posed a threat.

We had the capability to completely destroy the electric, communication and supply pipeline of the Vietcong but chose to fight a limited warfare fight....with no ifrastructure, they would not have lasted 3 months.

I am of the same opinion in Iraq, f...k the rest of the worlds public opinion, IF in fact we are in a war, then make it a war. We bombed Berlin into submission, Hiroshima the same.....either level Baghdad or GET OUT OF DODGE... Ultimately it will save lives.

[SlightlyDementd]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
What about British troops? Why do most Americans just forget about them?

I just want to go on the record as saying that this American
family holds in the highest regards the excellence, bravery
and morality of the British troops.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the families and
loved ones of those troops that have made the ultimate
sacrifice.

I pray that the war is short and our troops come home soon.

-SD-

[jmichna]

Originally posted by SlightlyDementd


I just want to go on the record as saying that this American
family holds in the highest regards the excellence, bravery
and morality of the British troops.

Our hearts and prayers go out to the families and
loved ones of those troops that have made the ultimate
sacrifice.

I pray that the war is short and our troops come home soon.

-SD- Amen.

[Billforce]

I'll DITTO that, have the highest regard for the Brits.....even if they do talk funny!

[KenKeith]

The Brits rank with the best for their courage and contribution. and PM Blair has shown political courage as well.

[Charlie2]

Iraq should never become a Viet Nam. I hope the politicians would have learned better.
About the Brits: **** good people! Excellent soldiers!

[Optimus Prime]

:D.

One thing i don't understand is what is going on with the Special Forces?

The SAS/SEALS could wipe out Najaf or Basra no problem, they are better trained at fighting in cities than the main stream soldiers.

Over 100 SAS are in Iraq! :o.

Don't know about SEALS, too much hush hush

[Billforce]

Originally posted by Optimus Prime
:D.


Don't know about SEALS, too much hush hush

Well, first off they bark a lot and their breaths smell terribly of fish.. YUK!